HTownAg98 said:

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The remedy is impeachment. But neither party wants to cross that bridge because they want their person to have unfettered pardon power when their person is in office.

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No the remedy is to change the constitution and eliminate that presidential power
Probably let the President Commute a sentence but that would likely allow civil and criminal fines to be collected

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The whole damn Congress is for sale and Congress made sure it's legal. Campaigns contributions are bribes. Kickbacks to congressmen for government money are bribes. Insider trading for congressmen is legal but Martha Stewart went to prison for doing 1/one millionth of what Navy Pelosi has done.

Our country is run by crooks, buffoons and too few good men. Trump at least he ant stealing our taxpayer money like all these politicians getting kickbacks from all the NGO money theft

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I guess you didn't hear about Trump's 10 billion dollar lawsuit against the government that he's going to settle to pay . . . himself?

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Said any money he gets will be denoted to charity or given back. He just wants the judgment, truth out.

Yes he said this, yes publicly. Believe it was Friday on AF1.

Gosh you kids are a broken record of solid gold TDS.

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The guy that defrauded his own charity. Wannna buy a bridge?!?!? lol.

It is not TDD to be concerned about the sitting president. It is our civic duty to question our leaders actions. That trope is tired.

Please expound on how it "was intended". Honestly curious.

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If they made corruption illegal nobody would run for office. There wouldn't be enough money in it. Trump just does it bigger and better than anybody that came before him and he signs it with a gold sharpie.

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So we're good when the Dems do this now?

Want to make sure we got this bookmarked for three years from now when President AOC pardons Luigi.

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I was being sarcastic lol

I don't support Trump, any candidate or parties, and never will. They are all just actors stealing money from middle class Americans.

Politics are the longest con in human history.

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The pardon system needs reform because right now this stuff is getting out of hand…

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Trump is actually employing the pardon power as intended. Biden implemented mass lawfare not just against MAGA and Trump but against anybody seen as even the remotest of threat to the admin and their puppy masters.

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Was the pardon power intended to get your wealthy buddies off the hook so they could get out and buy up your ****coin?

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No, but because the judiciary can be corrupted this is a balance against that.

Like impeachment, it should be very rare. Like impeachment, it is not.

The Binance guy had some various aspects to the case and punishment that were open to question whether justice was truly served. Believe they even out that information out there.

BTW, the money is more to get your case heard than it is to get the desired outcome. Also, price likely correlates to the **** POTUS will taken pardon granted. Is that right? I could easily argue both sides.

But it is the current system and I do NOT support changing it, not after witnessing the lawfare on Trump and anyone ever associated with him.

See my reply just above this. It's a check on an out of control judiciary. And more pardons have been used to right a wrong than to wrong a right.

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See my reply just above this. It's a check on an out of control judiciary. And more pardons have been used to right a wrong than to wrong a right.

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Thanks. I agree with that position. Now Trump doing better or worse than any previous president is opinion not fact.

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from "drain the swamp" to "pardons for sale!" in less than 10 years

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The people downplaying it are partisans. But you are the last person with room to talk here.

Yea, I don't think exercising a power reserved exclusively for the President is going to pass impeachment. If it did, we need to reset and start over.

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See my reply just above this. It's a check on an out of control judiciary. And more pardons have been used to right a wrong than to wrong a right.

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Thanks. I agree with that position. Now Trump doing better or worse than any previous president is opinion not fact.

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Sure. Endless debate on number, seriousness of pardons, money to get your pardon to the POTUS, on and on every aspect is open to debate.

I think the founding fathers understood this, hence it is a power that cannot be questioned. As intended.

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FWTXAg said:

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If they made corruption illegal nobody would run for office. There wouldn't be enough money in it. Trump just does it bigger and better than anybody that came before him and he signs it with a gold sharpie.

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So we're good when the Dems do this now?

Want to make sure we got this bookmarked for three years from now when President AOC pardons Luigi.

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I was being sarcastic lol

I don't support Trump, any candidate or parties, and never will. They are all just actors stealing money from middle class Americans.

Politics are the longest con in human history.

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The pardon system needs reform because right now this stuff is getting out of hand…

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Trump is actually employing the pardon power as intended. Biden implemented mass lawfare not just against MAGA and Trump but against anybody seen as even the remotest of threat to the admin and their puppy masters.

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Was the pardon power intended to get your wealthy buddies off the hook so they could get out and buy up your ****coin?

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No, but because the judiciary can be corrupted this is a balance against that.

Like impeachment, it should be very rare. Like impeachment, it is not.

The Binance guy had some various aspects to the case and punishment that were open to question whether justice was truly served. Believe they even out that information out there.

BTW, the money is more to get your case heard than it is to get the desired outcome. Also, price likely correlates to the **** POTUS will taken pardon granted. Is that right? I could easily argue both sides.

But it is the current system and I do NOT support changing it, not after witnessing the lawfare on Trump and anyone ever associated with him.

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Agree with this.

Unfortunately, it does not feel like it is used this way in many cases nowadays, it is just politicians playing favorites.

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If they made corruption illegal nobody would run for office. There wouldn't be enough money in it. Trump just does it bigger and better than anybody that came before him and he signs it with a gold sharpie.

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Lololol!

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If you can't laugh you'll cry.

I completely agree with you, it's amazing we let our "elected leaders" openly rob us blind. And then some of us even cheer them on.

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Trump was worth less after his first than he was worth prior to his presidency.

I've not seen his latest net worth.

He's got a ways to go to catch Pelosi and that Omar hag.

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The whole damn Congress is for sale and Congress made sure it's legal. Campaigns contributions are bribes. Kickbacks to congressmen for government money are bribes. Insider trading for congressmen is legal but Martha Stewart went to prison for doing 1/one millionth of what Navy Pelosi has done.

Our country is run by crooks, buffoons and too few good men. Trump at least he ant stealing our taxpayer money like all these politicians getting kickbacks from all the NGO money theft

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I guess you didn't hear about Trump's 10 billion dollar lawsuit against the government that he's going to settle to pay . . . himself?

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Is that suit the one over being politically targeted by his political opponents in the Democrat party? Jack smith and that bunch? Is that over Trump's Mara Lago being raided by the Feds including Barron's room and all of Melania's things? Because if that's what you are referencing, Trump was selectively prosecuted by democrats to bankrupt him and to gain a political advantage for themselves.,

Yes hard to impeach over a specifically granted plenary power

but if egregious enough a president could be violating his oath of office

Again easier to remove the power given the ridiculous abuse that has occurred for several decades and limit it to commutation and clemency but not full pardon

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HTownAg98 said:

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The remedy is impeachment. But neither party wants to cross that bridge because they want their person to have unfettered pardon power when their person is in office.

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What's the crime?

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Whatever the House says it is. And there's no way SCOTUS would want to weigh in on what a "high crime and misdemeanor" is.

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If they made corruption illegal nobody would run for office. There wouldn't be enough money in it. Trump just does it bigger and better than anybody that came before him and he signs it with a gold sharpie.

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Lololol!

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If you can't laugh you'll cry.

I completely agree with you, it's amazing we let our "elected leaders" openly rob us blind. And then some of us even cheer them on.

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Trump was worth less after his first than he was worth prior to his presidency.

I've not seen his latest net worth.

He's got a ways to go to catch Pelosi and that Omar hag.

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Trump's net worth as estimated by Forbes in 2026 is $6.5 billion.

Forbes estimated it was worth $4.5 billion back in 2015.

Apparently somewhere around $1.4 billion of his current net worth is tied to crypto and a rug pull of his ****coin.

Have to ammend the constitution and that ain't happening with both sides absolutely not trusting the other. Both are to blame but the blatant disregard for the constitution by the judiciary since 2016 probably means this never happens.

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The remedy is impeachment. But neither party wants to cross that bridge because they want their person to have unfettered pardon power when their person is in office.

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What's the crime?

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Whatever the House says it is. And there's no way SCOTUS would want to weigh in on what a "high crime and misdemeanor" is.

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Yea, that's not gonna get 67 votes. Even if he pardoned every prisoner in America. Which is basically what the Dems have tried with their defund the police, welcoming foreign prisoners from around the world, and cashless bail, authorized retail theft, and cheering on destruction of property with no recourse.

Trump has a long way to go before ****ting on the Constitution the way the Dems and TDS republicans have.

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If they made corruption illegal nobody would run for office. There wouldn't be enough money in it. Trump just does it bigger and better than anybody that came before him and he signs it with a gold sharpie.

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Lololol!

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If you can't laugh you'll cry.

I completely agree with you, it's amazing we let our "elected leaders" openly rob us blind. And then some of us even cheer them on.

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Trump was worth less after his first than he was worth prior to his presidency.

I've not seen his latest net worth.

He's got a ways to go to catch Pelosi and that Omar hag.

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He was worth less bc his worth was largely wasn't tangible assets it was a brand and he tarnished it. That was on him.

He figured this time how to get around that by doing all these deals while in power when people will "invest" to curry favor.

Whatever lets you sleep at night. Just know what you said is not based in reality. But fairytales help a lot of folks go to bed.

Counting sheep is easier.

to put this into perspective: in 2025 alone trump's wealth increased by roughly 5-10 times more than nancy pelosi's entire net worth accumulated over her 40-year political career, and by roughly the current combined net worth of the entire senate.

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The remedy is impeachment. But neither party wants to cross that bridge because they want their person to have unfettered pardon power when their person is in office.

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What's the crime?

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Whatever the House says it is. And there's no way SCOTUS would want to weigh in on what a "high crime and misdemeanor" is.

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Yea, that's not gonna get 67 votes. Even if he pardoned every prisoner in America. Which is basically what the Dems have tried with their defund the police, welcoming foreign prisoners from around the world, and cashless bail, authorized retail theft, and cheering on destruction of property with no recourse.

Trump has a long way to go before ****ting on the Constitution the way the Dems and TDS republicans have.

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That's a great way to move the goalposts, but it doesn't really answer the question. So I'll ask this instead: in your mind would Trump saying "Yeah, he gave me $10MM so I pardoned him" be enough for you to say that's a bridge too far?

No.

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Whatever lets you sleep at night. Just know what you said is not based in reality. But fairytales help a lot of folks go to bed.

Counting sheep is easier.

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Explain to me Alan Greenspan why his jet worth went down during 45.

If he was truly worth $4-$5 billion in 2016 what happened that reduced his jet worth during that time? If those assets were cash instruments and real estate a nominal return (5%) would have delivered roughly $1B while in office.

It was largely intrinsic value tied to his name not buildings, golf courses and cash assets.

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No.

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So bribery wouldn't be a high crime and misdemeanor then to you. Not that I expected a different answer from you.

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to put this into perspective: in 2025 alone trump's wealth increased by roughly 5-10 times more than nancy pelosi's entire net worth accumulated over her 40-year political career, and by more than the current combined net worth of the entire senate.

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You kids have had 10 years and two DNC directed DOJ plus the full weight of every blue state and city DA and the funding of Soros and a complicit media to find evidence Trump has committed any crimes. You think you got him now? A business man making money? The atrocity!

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Old McDonald said:

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to put this into perspective: in 2025 alone trump's wealth increased by roughly 5-10 times more than nancy pelosi's entire net worth accumulated over her 40-year political career, and by more than the current combined net worth of the entire senate.

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You kids have had 10 years and two DNC directed DOJ plus the full weight of every blue state and city DA and the funding of Soros and a complicit media to find evidence Trump has committed any crimes. You think you got him now? A business man making money? The atrocity!

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lol. You realize that he is a convicted felon and an adjudicated rapist?

In addition he was indicted for lots of crimes that weren't tried bc he was reelected. Not bc no one found crimes.

You are consistent though. Respect!!!

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No.

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So bribery wouldn't be a high crime and misdemeanor then to you. Not that I expected a different answer from you.

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It's bribery? How? You have to prove it was a quid pro quo which you have only vaguely insinuated and certainly have provided not see of facts indicating bribery.

As mentioned now yet again, the Binance pardon is probably not the best case for quid pro quo.

But if you think you got the 67 votes, cheer it on.

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Old McDonald said:

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to put this into perspective: in 2025 alone trump's wealth increased by roughly 5-10 times more than nancy pelosi's entire net worth accumulated over her 40-year political career, and by more than the current combined net worth of the entire senate.

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You kids have had 10 years and two DNC directed DOJ plus the full weight of every blue state and city DA and the funding of Soros and a complicit media to find evidence Trump has committed any crimes. You think you got him now? A business man making money? The atrocity!

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lol. You realize that he is a convicted felon and an adjudicated rapist?

In addition he was indicted for lots of crimes that weren't tried bc he was reelected. Not bc no one found crimes.

You are consistent though. Respect!!!

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I have been super critical of Trump but the felony finding and E. Jean Carroll cases are complete and utter nonsense.

Oh you believe all that was justified and not going to be returned.

Respect. You are a true believer in what we MSM, Act Blue and Reddit serve up you.

Also…

https://coinpedia.org/news/cz-defends-binance-after-forbes-flags-87-holdings-in-trumps-usd1-stablecoin/

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The pushback started when Satoshi Club's X account called the Forbes article "just FUD" and said it "feels like an attack." The community account reminded followers that these tokens belong to millions of users who choose to hold on Binance, not to the exchange itself.

CZ jumped in and said, "If you only count CEX holdings, you will see Binance is about 60-70% across the board."

Other Stablecoins Show Similar Concentration

Data shared alongside the tweet backs up the argument. Ethena's USDe sits at 77.48% on its own issuer platform. Sky Dollar is at 55.78% on Sky. USD1's 87.36% on Binance is the highest, but high concentration at a single platform is common across top stablecoins.

That said, most of those tokens are concentrated at their own issuers. Binance is a third-party exchange for USD1, and that's the distinction Forbes focused on.


What Forbes Reported

The Forbes article connected Binance's USD1 holdings to several Trump-affiliated developments. MGX, a UAE state-backed fund, used $2 billion in USD1 to invest in Binance. A $40 million WLFI promotional airdrop currently rewards users who hold USD1 on the platform.

Binance also converted its old BUSD collateral into USD1, making the stablecoin a deeper part of its infrastructure.

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No.

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So bribery wouldn't be a high crime and misdemeanor then to you. Not that I expected a different answer from you.

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It's bribery? How? You have to prove it was a quid pro quo which you have only vaguely insinuated and certainly have provided not see of facts indicating bribery.

As mentioned now yet again, the Binance pardon is probably not the best case for quid pro quo.

But if you think you got the 67 votes, cheer it on.

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My question was a hypothetical, and basically an admission of a quid pro quo, which you tried to avoid. So the questions remains that you haven't answered.

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redseven94 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Old McDonald said:

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to put this into perspective: in 2025 alone trump's wealth increased by roughly 5-10 times more than nancy pelosi's entire net worth accumulated over her 40-year political career, and by more than the current combined net worth of the entire senate.

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You kids have had 10 years and two DNC directed DOJ plus the full weight of every blue state and city DA and the funding of Soros and a complicit media to find evidence Trump has committed any crimes. You think you got him now? A business man making money? The atrocity!

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lol. You realize that he is a convicted felon and an adjudicated rapist?

In addition he was indicted for lots of crimes that weren't tried bc he was reelected. Not bc no one found crimes.

You are consistent though. Respect!!!

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I have been super critical of Trump but the felony finding and E. Jean Carroll cases are complete and utter nonsense.

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I don't totally disagree with you but they were findings of juries of his "peers". This after spending tens of millions on defense.

I wasn't arguing the merits of the cases. I was refuting the "you had 10 years and found no crimes".

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Oh you believe all that was justified and not going to be returned.

Respect. You are a true believer in what we MSM, Act Blue and Reddit serve up you.

Also…

https://coinpedia.org/news/cz-defends-binance-after-forbes-flags-87-holdings-in-trumps-usd1-stablecoin/

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The pushback started when Satoshi Club's X account called the Forbes article "just FUD" and said it "feels like an attack." The community account reminded followers that these tokens belong to millions of users who choose to hold on Binance, not to the exchange itself.

CZ jumped in and said, "If you only count CEX holdings, you will see Binance is about 60-70% across the board."

Other Stablecoins Show Similar Concentration

Data shared alongside the tweet backs up the argument. Ethena's USDe sits at 77.48% on its own issuer platform. Sky Dollar is at 55.78% on Sky. USD1's 87.36% on Binance is the highest, but high concentration at a single platform is common across top stablecoins.

That said, most of those tokens are concentrated at their own issuers. Binance is a third-party exchange for USD1, and that's the distinction Forbes focused on.


What Forbes Reported

The Forbes article connected Binance's USD1 holdings to several Trump-affiliated developments. MGX, a UAE state-backed fund, used $2 billion in USD1 to invest in Binance. A $40 million WLFI promotional airdrop currently rewards users who hold USD1 on the platform.

Binance also converted its old BUSD collateral into USD1, making the stablecoin a deeper part of its infrastructure.

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No one is arguing information we can't know definitively. My OP was regarding the Forbes article.

Not sure any reason that the Chinese dude would refute the information.

Based on how Trump talks I would want to see the facts, derails for your "hypothetical".

You know Trump actually had a pardon committee that goes through these and makes a recommendation. I imagine most POTUSs would do this so there is a record of why the pardon was considered and why a certain recommendation was made.

Also, the OP here is trying to mislead that Binance holdings reference as per the article I linked and quoted (odd OP didn't provide a link, maybe Reddit didn't have it).

You try to make this like a shoot someone in Time Square nonsense. They love this hypothetical but never want to answer whether he was right to shoot the person.

People legally get shot on the middle of the road all the time. Usually it's a Pretti Good shoot.

If you want to develop a scenario where Trump unquestionably and actually broke a law unrelated to his office, then we can discuss hypotheticals.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2026/02/09/trump-stablecoin-usd1-binance-holds-87-percent/

Reddit comes through again!

You said he took a position. The pardoned dude did not. Binance did on behalf of its users and their individual holdings.

And in theory they simply bought something, on the market, at an agreed price. It may go up or down. And then they may divest those holdings at a gain or loss.

So yes I think your OP was misleading. May not intentionally, but you certainly cared little for contextual details.