flown-the-coop said:

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Non-citizen becoming US citizen should have to revoke all other citizenships / passports / privileges. It's literally in the oath to become a citizen.

Natural-born US citizen obtaining passport from another country… I have no issue with that but it should disqualify you from holding any public officer, serving in military, and particularly serving in Congress, etc.

Loyalty and allegiance matter. We should be much stricter, more forceful here.

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Isn't Baron Trump a dual citizen?

Exactly right, well said. The only other country in the Western Hemisphere that recently prohibited dual citizenship is Nicaragua, that beacon of freedom currently under the yoke of a crackpot couple that has killed many to stay in power and exiled tens of thousands as well.

This is just a jacked up, stupid idea that has little merit or purpose in today's world.

My son is a dual citizen so this will directly affect him if passed. I'm not sure I agree with a child born in the USA to American parents should be forced to renounce foreign lineage privileges. I think I'd be more on board with the idea if this accompanied legislation to end anchor babies and birth tourism, but that's just wishful thinking

Aggie1205 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Non-citizen becoming US citizen should have to revoke all other citizenships / passports / privileges. It's literally in the oath to become a citizen.

Natural-born US citizen obtaining passport from another country… I have no issue with that but it should disqualify you from holding any public officer, serving in military, and particularly serving in Congress, etc.

Loyalty and allegiance matter. We should be much stricter, more forceful here.

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Isn't Baron Trump a dual citizen?

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No idea but he was born on US soil to a parent who is a US citizen. Barron was born in 2006, Melanie and DJT were married in 2006 and she obtained citizenship same year, but not sure in what order.

Under what I laid out, Melania should have to revoke her Slovenian citizenship in order to become a US citizen. Depending on when Barron was born, he would have dual citizenship or just US citizenship depending on sequence. If under these circumstances he had dual from birth, that does not bother me a bit.

Dual from birth >>> Good with it.

Dual because you were natural born US citizenship and obtained citizenry elsewhere >> no issue

Foreign-born (non-citizen) becoming US citizen >> have to revoke / surrender foreign citizenry.

This is not an area of immigration law that needed immediate change. So many other lower hanging fruit policies

If this crack pot deal were to pass I could easily see several other countries pass laws that require citizenship to own property or businesses in that particular country, especially countries where American citizens have extensive holdings. Easy way to create local legal revenue and also force the devalued sale of assets.

If there is an upside to this nonsense, I can't see it being worth the potential pitfalls.

RGV AG said:

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If this crack pot deal were to pass I could easily see several other countries pass laws that require citizenship to own property or businesses in that particular country, especially countries where American citizens have extensive holdings. Easy way to create local legal revenue and also force the devalued sale of assets.

If there is an upside to this nonsense, I can't see it being worth the potential pitfalls.

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Then we apply the same back to those countries. Why would we just accept their reprisals?

And I agree this is not a priority item. Was there an indication Trump was going to cease all other activities to focus solely on this? I missed that if so.

Where did you get that I believed or implied that this deal was or could become Trump's focus?

The value of American owned assets in foreign countries likely is quite a bit more than the reciprocal. Many less prosperous countries applied citizen required ownership until the recent past, the US government always pushed and lobbied against those measures.

Dual citizenship is a nothing burger. Equating extending US citizenship to foreign nationals that are likely to misuse it to requiring an American to give up a potential benefit is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

The flawed issue remains the amount and method/handling of the vast number of immigrants that have arrived in the US, by all kinds of means, both legal and illegal.

One of my friends has dual citizenship with Mexico. Non-citizens can't inherit property there, and he'd lose his grandparents' large hunting ranch in Tamaulipas without citizenship. This policy doesn't seem well thought out.

I agree there are more important things to focus on but I am confident those issues are also indeed being focused on. That's what I was getting at.

Regarding property ownership, I think it would be an interesting analysis. Chinese farms, Japanese owning Nakatomi plaza in the 80's.

And other countries have already limited foreigners from owning land. Ireland put in stricter limits just a few years ago. I thought Mexico had restricted theirs q ling time ago.

I think a fair number of countries do not allow it at all.

Dual Mex-US citizen here, with all due respect, what you state was correct until the mid 90', but is no longer the case. Foreigners can inherit property and assets in Mex just like a Mex citizen.

Exceptions would be if the ranch is 50 km from a coast line or 100km from a border. In the case of the previous they can inherent and own and control properties in those zones via a trust that they would own.

Mexico, under pressure from the US, changed many of their long standing laws on property ownership, equally they facilitated dual citizenship as well as it tightly regulated through the early 90s.

ETA-You answered my question if the ranch is in Tamps, likely close to the border or possibly a coast line. Good hunting.

aggiehawg said:

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I think this might be more aimed as a back door challenge to birthright citizenship. It is that principle that gives rise to many with dual status.

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Know a dual kid born in another country with US citizens as parents... foreign country made him give up one at 18. So not a birth right.

Gotcha.

Mex liberalized their ownership requirements extensively in the 90's. I don't know about Europe or Asia, but in the Americas legalized foreign ownership is very common and, my experience, fairly liberal.

You are either American or your not!!

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aggiehawg said:

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I think this might be more aimed as a back door challenge to birthright citizenship. It is that principle that gives rise to many with dual status.

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Know a dual kid born in another country with US citizens as parents... foreign country made him give up one at 18. So not a birth right.

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It is not a birthright in most countries if born to foreign parents. The US is fairly unique in this respect.

flown-the-coop said:

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Non-citizen becoming US citizen should have to revoke all other citizenships / passports / privileges. It's literally in the oath to become a citizen.

Natural-born US citizen obtaining passport from another country… I have no issue with that but it should disqualify you from holding any public officer, serving in military, and particularly serving in Congress, etc.

Loyalty and allegiance matter. We should be much stricter, more forceful here.

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This seems like a good compromise.

Eliminatus said:

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What in the hell is this going to solve? Dual citizenship holders are not the issue we need to be focusing on. This is just dumb and a waste of time and bandwidth.

Guessing some congresscritter's pet project to make themselves look good or something?

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If you could show me that most dual citizens vote Democrat and we if could influence them to choose their other country, then this helps decrease the number of communists here.

The First Lady is a dual citizen. I guess it's ok as long as they are attractive.

I'm guessing the Second Lady is too

My two grandsons will owe Taiwan a year of military service at age 19…….part of their dual citizenship

B-1 83 said:

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My two grandsons will owe Taiwan a year of military service at age 19…….part of their dual citizenship

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That's the type of thing that should not be allowed.

Pick a country. It's not hard.

Im Gipper said:

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B-1 83 said:

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My two grandsons will owe Taiwan a year of military service at age 19…….part of their dual citizenship

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That's the type of thing that should not be allowed.

Pick a country. It's not hard.

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They often spent summers there with grandparents, and their medical care was free - still is when they and mom visit. My son hasn't needed a doctor there when he's visited, but he'd have to pay.

CheeseSndwch said:

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I'm a dual citizen (EU Member State) and I believe there should be restrictions (e.g. holding public office) but I don't think this one is going to pass. Dual Citizenship is a big deal in Israel and they seem to hold a lot of sway.

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I understand that affects you negatively in some way but as an American citizen with no interest in dual citizenship.

Tough cookies…

Be an American or don't. You can't have both.

YouBet said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Non-citizen becoming US citizen should have to revoke all other citizenships / passports / privileges. It's literally in the oath to become a citizen.

Natural-born US citizen obtaining passport from another country… I have no issue with that but it should disqualify you from holding any public officer, serving in military, and particularly serving in Congress, etc.

Loyalty and allegiance matter. We should be much stricter, more forceful here.

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This seems like a good compromise.

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No it doesn't. That is an elites only club. They don't want those positions anyway. They will just work the NGOs, lobbying or the bureaucracy.

Oh no, I'm rich andI got my kids dual citizenship because I have it and my kids live here and can't serve in the military when we start wars.

That's no compromise at all…

This feels a lot like Merica….luv it or leave it.



Why can't we have both?

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My son hasn't needed a doctor there when he's visited, but he'd have to lay.

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Now that's an interesting system!!

I'm currently working towards US Citizenship for myself and my family. Had to renounce my residency in Canada for exit taxes and to be excluded from Canadian benefits ie. health care. However, I do like the idea of dual citizenship for my children only because it's their heritage, all our family is there and it makes it easy for them to switch back if they so choose.

If we had to make a decision we'd switch to US, we've already decided to move here. The opportunity for a life similar to what my wife a I experienced is so much clearer here.

In Canada they would never be able to but their own home unless they make a crazy amount of money quick. Can't afford to rent as young people and have a decent standard of living. I had this all covered by building a multi generation home with 3, could be four separate living units but it's still mom and dad taking care of them.

I realize long term generational family wealth is built that way. But…. I think you adults need some real independence for at least a window of time. To me it's very important to face the world on their own to some extent to see what you got.

That pathway is still open in the US. Thank you guys for that.

Grapes said:

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I'm currently working towards US Citizenship for myself and my family. Had to renounce my residency in Canada for exit taxes and to be excluded from Canadian benefits ie. health care. However, I do like the idea of dual citizenship for my children only because it's their heritage, all our family is there and it makes it easy for them to switch back if they so choose.

If we had to make a decision we'd switch to US, we've already decided to move here. The opportunity for a life similar to what my wife a I experienced is so much clearer here.

In Canada they would never be able to but their own home unless they make a crazy amount of money quick. Can't afford to rent as young people and have a decent standard of living. I had this all covered by building a multi generation home with 3, could be four separate living units but it's still mom and dad taking care of them.

I realize long term generational family wealth is built that way. But…. I think you adults need some real independence for at least a window of time. To me it's very important to face the world on their own to some extent to see what you got.

That pathway is still open in the US. Thank you guys for that.

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I am told India has some "Overseas Citizen of India" card. That is what Canada should do too. Not full citizenship, you cannot vote, but you can invest and travel easily. And have a connection with the country.

I am against dual but I like the concept of "Overseas citizen" which is not the same as a resident citizen.

flown-the-coop said:

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Non-citizen becoming US citizen should have to revoke all other citizenships / passports / privileges. It's literally in the oath to become a citizen.

Natural-born US citizen obtaining passport from another country… I have no issue with that but it should disqualify you from holding any public officer, serving in military, and particularly serving in Congress, etc.

Loyalty and allegiance matter. We should be much stricter, more forceful here.

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This is exactly what should happen. Benefit actual US citizens who later acquire citizenship elsewhere; discourage foreigners who obtain US citizenship. Want to become a US citizen? Great, but burn your boat.

What problem is this half baked solution attempting to solve and why is it more important (and thus deserving of congressional time) than passing an actual budget?

Not anywhere in my top 50 problems I worry about, but I also don't really see the need for dual citizenship - seems like a way for people to have their cake and eat it too. Maybe they should be forced to make a choice?

I get the idea but Im not really sure how I feel about this implementation as cases vary so much. Have an in-law that came to America and became a citizen, diligently serving in our military for over 30 years. Upon retirement, they obtained dual so that they would be allowed to purchase property in their home country, where they go about 1-2 months a year to be with their extended family. Their dual citizenship seems very reasonable to me

Pick a side.

You're either American or non-American.



Heck, even some Americans are non-American, so it might be a mute point.

This would be awesome and SHOULD happen. Therefore it won't