Shouldn't they count as a non-voting block? Like say…3/5?

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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InfantryAg said:

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I think it's 14 or 15 extra congressmen just in CA, just for the illegal immigrant count. It literally changes the outcomes on what congress does and doesn't do.

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Exactly. Which is why we need to fix the census laws before 2030. The democrats whole goal is the 2030 census. We are sitting here arguing with theses dumbasses over the wrong thing.

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They shouldn't count at all. Trump tried to reinstate a question about citizenship on the census (which wouldn't even keep them from counting actually). The USSC rejected it. Of course Roberts was the one siding with the "I just don't understand" side. And all the assumptions the try made about the 2020 census are ridiculous. I think we all know now how many red states got disenfranchised due to those assumptions.

If they don't even want to count (evidenced by sneaking in), then we shouldn't count them

fredfredunderscorefred said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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InfantryAg said:

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I think it's 14 or 15 extra congressmen just in CA, just for the illegal immigrant count. It literally changes the outcomes on what congress does and doesn't do.

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Exactly. Which is why we need to fix the census laws before 2030. The democrats whole goal is the 2030 census. We are sitting here arguing with theses dumbasses over the wrong thing.

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They shouldn't count at all. Trump tried to reinstate a question about citizenship on the census (which wouldn't even keep them from counting actually). The USSC rejected it. Of course Roberts was the one siding with the "I just don't understand" side. And all the assumptions the try made about the 2020 census are ridiculous. I think we all know now how many red states got disenfranchised due to those assumptions.

If they don't even want to count (evidenced by sneaking in), then we shouldn't count them

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Of course they shouldn't count. It screws actual American citizens out of representation. It's the only reason states like California are fighting ICE so bad. They don't want their representation shipped out. Texas would probably lose some too, but I would be fine with that. Illegals should not count towards congressional representation whatsoever.

So, why do illegals count towards representation? Blue states have figured out that they can pack them in to give themselves more representative power because of our r**arded census laws. Why? If this wasn't possible, democrats wouldn't care one bit about illegals or the border.

The founders did not foresee a radical leftist party that would weaponize lawlessness to exploit a loosely worded phrase in the constitution that would be interpreted to allow warm bodies to be the standard for representative and elector allocations by state.

Illegals count toward congressional representation because the 14th amendment of the US Constitution requires all persons living in each statenot just citizensfor purposes of House seats and Electoral College votes. Democrats are fighting to keep illegals because blue and highimmigration states would lose seats, while red and swing states would gain seats. I hope Congress passes a bill to include US citizens only for congressional representation.

I am again disappointed in the Republicans.

The Democrats get into lock step when they have power.

The Republics revel in fighting themselves.

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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It's the only reason that democrats fight for illegals. It's not about votes. Sure their kids will vote democrat, but they brought them in for representation because people were leaving blue states and cities. Our census laws are so stupid.

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Agree... Now Virginia is going to change the way they draw voter lines, potentially adding 4 additional "left leaning" house seats.

I understand that everyone will say that Texas started this but... Not really. States in the NE have been doing this for years. Now, it seems that if you lose an election, you just need to redraw your lines before the next election cycle to give yourself the opportunity to gain more seats - tilting the balance of power.

I don't care which side you're on. This type of behavior is ridiculous.

1. Prohibit redraws until after the next census (Federal Law)
2. Prohibit non-citizens from being counted on the census (Federal Law)

If we were to prohibit non-citizens from counting towards congressional representation all the Dems would do is shift the battle to amnesty and citizenship for all those already in the country illegally. The end game won't change. The only solution is to send them back/throw them out/keep them out.

DrEvazanPhD said:

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Shouldn't they count as a non-voting block? Like say…3/5?

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So illegal aliens are enslaved people. At least illegal aliens can self deport.

Because democrats are ruthless and Republicans have no balls.

Because, by the letter of the law, the Census counts "persons" and not "citizens".

It was worded this way on purpose so that the South could count its slaves (which would get 3/5 credit towards Congressional apportionment).

Nobody in planning the 1790 census ever considered the possibility of mass illegal immigration, so their inclusion today is accidental. But it's the law until we change it.

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The Founders gave us too much credit. They couldn't foresee a time when an American political party would be illegally mass importing foreigners to get votes

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The founding fathers severely restricted suffrage. Its distortions to the constitutions they left us which have allowed for this idiotic modernity.

If voting were still restricted to land-owning (or net tax paying) citizen men, the modern democrat party would never have arisen.

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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InfantryAg said:

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I think it's 14 or 15 extra congressmen just in CA, just for the illegal immigrant count. It literally changes the outcomes on what congress does and doesn't do.

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Exactly. Which is why we need to fix the census laws before 2030. The democrats whole goal is the 2030 census. We are sitting here arguing with theses dumbasses over the wrong thing.

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Since Ws time, when it's been beyond obvious where things were going, has anyone on the right done anything real, like writing and introducing bills, to fix this problem? Because it is a huge problem.

Entire cities (look at some in the RGV) shouldn't be created out of nothing all because illegals are counted.

Yes, I know it's good for businesses and politicians, but it's NOT the way things should be done.

A pox on those who are for this, either openly or quietly.

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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It's the only reason that democrats fight for illegals It's not about votes. Sure their kids will vote democrat, but they brought them in for representation because people were leaving blue states and cities. Our census laws are so stupid.

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100% reason all this BS is happening. Where is the bill to fix it, you worthless R's?

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The ONLY hope for our country is to end the filibuster NOW, while the republicans have a majority in both the house and senate. Then pass the needed laws before January 2027. I fear there are too many cowards for this to happen.

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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It's the only reason that democrats fight for illegals. It's not about votes. Sure their kids will vote democrat, but they brought them in for representation because people were leaving blue states and cities. Our census laws are so stupid.

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Only Dems count them. Because they are a vote bank

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Jack Squat 83 said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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It's the only reason that democrats fight for illegals It's not about votes. Sure their kids will vote democrat, but they brought them in for representation because people were leaving blue states and cities. Our census laws are so stupid.

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100% reason all this BS is happening. Where is the bill to fix it, you worthless R's?

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The ONLY hope for our country is to end the filibuster NOW, while the republicans have a majority in both the house and senate. Then pass the needed laws before January 2027. I fear there are too many cowards for this to happen.

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Not just a fraudulent vote bank tho. Also a congressional representation swinger and congressional funding tool.

The worst thing that happens for Republicans is to have a Republican majority. Donations stop flowing. Gotta get those Dems back in charge so they can suck in the money.

Honestly, if they fix this, Democrats won't give a **** about them.

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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Maroon Dawn said:

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The Founders gave us too much credit. They couldn't foresee a time when an American political party would be illegally mass importing foreigners to get votes

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100%. They couldn't have foreseen how r**arded we would become.

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Of course they did. That's why they had senators nominated by the governors and gave them longer terms than the president. The XVII amendment is what's putting the idiots back in power.

DrEvazanPhD said:

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Shouldn't they count as a non-voting block? Like say…3/5?

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Whistle-o del dog-o!!!!!!

annie88 said:

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Honestly, if they fix this, Democrats won't give a **** about them.

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Hint.

They already don't.

Remember the browns shipped to Martha's Vineyard?

Pepperidge Farm does.

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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InfantryAg said:

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I think it's 14 or 15 extra congressmen just in CA, just for the illegal immigrant count. It literally changes the outcomes on what congress does and doesn't do.

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Exactly. Which is why we need to fix the census laws before 2030. The democrats whole goal is the 2030 census. We are sitting here arguing with theses dumbasses over the wrong thing.

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They are in a panic about the 2030 census. The expected removal of section 2 of the VRA and the mass migration of Americans to red states because of covid will lead to the south having 164 seats in Congress. The population reduction is from Democratic states.

Texas will get 4 more seats and on the verge of getting a 5th.

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annie88 said:

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Honestly, if they fix this, Democrats won't give a **** about them.

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Hint.

They already don't.

Remember the browns shipped to Martha's Vineyard?

Pepperidge Farm does.

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Oh no, they don't care about them, but they cared about their illegal votes.

"Why do illegals count towards representation?"

Democrat's : Since illegals are on the government dole then it is important to get the count right.