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flown-the-coop said:

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According to the Byrd standard, these guys should have shot as well?

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I believe that is another entrance to the house chamber. The Speaker's lobby provides access to via another location.

Did those protestors break through those security bars and were they actively climbing through? Or did they see the guns pointed at them and decide they didn't feel like finding out?

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See other pic of the Speaker's Lobby. It is the same style of door on each of the entrances to the House Chamber on that level. The ones from the public hall have privacy glass (white opaque). Pic shows clear or no glass on the ones coming from the Speaker's Loby.

So Babbitt would have had no greater access to the House Chamber than the guys having guns pointed at them in the referenced picture.

flown-the-coop said:

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unmade bed said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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According to the Byrd standard, these guys should have shot as well?

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I believe that is another entrance to the house chamber. The Speaker's lobby provides access to via another location.

Did those protestors break through those security bars and were they actively climbing through? Or did they see the guns pointed at them and decide they didn't feel like finding out?

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See other pic of the Speaker's Lobby. It is the same style of door on each of the entrances to the House Chamber on that level. The ones from the public hall have privacy glass (white opaque). Pic shows clear or no glass on the ones coming from the Speaker's Loby.

So Babbitt would have had no greater access to the House Chamber than the guys having guns pointed at them in the referenced picture.

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I don't think they barricaded the door from the House Chamber to the Speaker's Lobby. Instead they barricaded the door to the Speaker's Lobby. Here's video of the scene from your picture, you can see in background the entrance from the Speaker's Lobby and its open.

Doesn't change anything for me. That would seem to be a bad setup by the Cap police, but they showed utter incompetence up and down the line that day so no surprise.

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Doesn't change anything for me. That would seem to be a bad setup by the Cap police, but they showed utter incompetence up and down the line that day so no surprise.

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Glorified mall cops with guns for the most part. Referring to the ones inside the Capitol. Not the ones outside. They were hosed by their own leadership who had promised reinforcements were on the way that never came.

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Absent some other piece of critical information that has yet to be shared, the murder of Ashli Babbitt was not a proper use of lethal force.

I think the officer was likely goaded on or essentially ordered by whomever he was protecting at that moment to go out and "shoot those MAGA freaks trying to kill us".

Since nothing about the shooting and surrounding circumstances was ever investigated, we will not know what orders were given to the officer. But Ashli Babbitt and the other Jan 6 Capitol visitors were respective of LEOs, aside from a few well documented incidents.

Meanwhile, Renee No Good had set out to specifically harass these officers. Let me make that point again. She was NOT a protestor. She was sent / paid / encouraged to harass and obstruct law enforcement. That is NOT a protest.

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All of these people were given pardons. https://t.co/VDKn6V5Ck9 pic.twitter.com/keXUEVcxNB

— BonkDaCarnivore (@BonkDaCarnivore) January 11, 2026

Today is January 6th.
This should be a stark reminder to everyone of the consequences of the Biden admin failing to hold Trump accountable.
pic.twitter.com/Fve2peXn31

— TheAverageBlackMan™ (@TheAvgBlackMan) January 6, 2026

100% agree.

Also, the inner security and evac protocols were fantastically inadequate.

If there had been actual insurrection or terrorists or BLM rioters, the whole place would have burned before Nance could put the wine glass down and call for backup.

Fortunately the rioters were grandmas, retired military and buffalo shaman.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Absent some other piece of critical information that has yet to be shared, the murder of Ashli Babbitt was not a proper use of lethal force.

I think the officer was likely goaded on or essentially ordered by whomever he was protecting at that moment to go out and "shoot those MAGA freaks trying to kill us".

Since nothing about the shooting and surrounding circumstances was ever investigated, we will not know what orders were given to the officer. But Ashli Babbitt and the other Jan 6 Capitol visitors were respective of LEOs, aside from a few well documented incidents.

Meanwhile, Renee No Good had set out to specifically harass these officers. Let me make that point again. She was NOT a protestor. She was sent / paid / encouraged to harass and obstruct law enforcement. That is NOT a protest.

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Thanks for confirming the "few well documented incidents". Allows us to agree to move to the conclusion it was a mostly peaceful protest with a few dumb****s.

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100% agree.

Also, the inner security and evac protocols were fantastically inadequate.

If there had been actual insurrection or terrorists or BLM rioters, the whole place would have burned before Nance could put the wine glass down and call for backup.

Fortunately the rioters were grandmas, retired military and buffalo shaman.

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Herding self important Congress-Critters is harder than herding feral cats.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Absent some other piece of critical information that has yet to be shared, the murder of Ashli Babbitt was not a proper use of lethal force.

I think the officer was likely goaded on or essentially ordered by whomever he was protecting at that moment to go out and "shoot those MAGA freaks trying to kill us".

Since nothing about the shooting and surrounding circumstances was ever investigated, we will not know what orders were given to the officer. But Ashli Babbitt and the other Jan 6 Capitol visitors were respective of LEOs, aside from a few well documented incidents.

Meanwhile, Renee No Good had set out to specifically harass these officers. Let me make that point again. She was NOT a protestor. She was sent / paid / encouraged to harass and obstruct law enforcement. That is NOT a protest.

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All of these people were given pardons. https://t.co/VDKn6V5Ck9 pic.twitter.com/keXUEVcxNB

— BonkDaCarnivore (@BonkDaCarnivore) January 11, 2026

Today is January 6th.
This should be a stark reminder to everyone of the consequences of the Biden admin failing to hold Trump accountable.
pic.twitter.com/Fve2peXn31

— TheAverageBlackMan™ (@TheAvgBlackMan) January 6, 2026

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We all know that didn't really happen and its all fake.

Geminiv said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Absent some other piece of critical information that has yet to be shared, the murder of Ashli Babbitt was not a proper use of lethal force.

I think the officer was likely goaded on or essentially ordered by whomever he was protecting at that moment to go out and "shoot those MAGA freaks trying to kill us".

Since nothing about the shooting and surrounding circumstances was ever investigated, we will not know what orders were given to the officer. But Ashli Babbitt and the other Jan 6 Capitol visitors were respective of LEOs, aside from a few well documented incidents.

Meanwhile, Renee No Good had set out to specifically harass these officers. Let me make that point again. She was NOT a protestor. She was sent / paid / encouraged to harass and obstruct law enforcement. That is NOT a protest.

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We all know that didn't really happen and its all fake.

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Said no one including me, whom you quoted with your false statement. It was even bolded for you, twice.

Both cops were legally justified wiith these 2 women, regardless of all the Mon Morning QB opinions from the public.

Both sides should be able to accept this.

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Both cops were legally justified wiith these 2 women, regardless of all the Mon Morning QB opinions from the public.

Both sides should be able to accept this.

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Not under SCOTUS rules. Babbitt? Questionable shoot.

Good? Justified. Under every standard,

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The one thing that is painfully obvious.


The general public should be very happy that the people posting on this board are not employed as law enforcement officers. Because most LEO's have a much better understanding of when the use of deadly force is justified than this board seems too. There would be a lot more officer involved shootings if the texags political board standards were put in place.

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Are you saying that anonymous posters are acting like they're experts in fields the have almost information about? Surely you are kidding.

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One thing that is painfully obvious... since the standard is what a reasonable person would do, I think anonymous posters are absolutely the experts here.

Chauvin followed his training and is in prison for it. Policy/training =/= reasonable person judgment. HTH.

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Chauvin was a hero. George Floyd was a horrible guy...a true menace to society. Chauvin did his job and was charged with murder and now will suffer for the rest of his life. If you do not feel for him, you are a disgusting person imo.

George Floyd should be alive...but only because he never should have been released from prison after invading a pregnant woman's home and holding her at gunpoint while his low life thug friends robbed her of her possessions.

White feminists posting black squares for this pregnant woman robbing monster was super rich.

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Chauvin should have never been sent to jail but don't think of him as a hero.

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Chauvin should have never been sent to jail but don't think of him as a hero.

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Oh no, he was and is an SOB but he didn't commit murder. Being an SOB is not reason to convict him alone.

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Both cops were legally justified wiith these 2 women, regardless of all the Mon Morning QB opinions from the public.

Both sides should be able to accept this.

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DOJ paid her family a $5 million settlement in the Babbitt case. So maybe Byrd was not so justified.

Pretty sure DJT told the DOJ to make that payment and the next time a D is in the White House the Good family will get an equal sized check

Not sure Trump ordering the DOJ to write a check proves anything

If the Dems had anything to justify the shoot it would have been trotted out when the payment was announced.

Tells me the fact that not much was made of it that Nance and Chuck were fine letting this one go.

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Chauvin should have never been sent to jail but don't think of him as a hero.

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Oh no, he was and is an SOB but he didn't commit murder. Being an SOB is not reason to convict him alone.

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Correct.

flown-the-coop said:

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FobTies said:

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Both cops were legally justified wiith these 2 women, regardless of all the Mon Morning QB opinions from the public.

Both sides should be able to accept this.

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DOJ paid her family a $5 million settlement in the Babbitt case. So maybe Byrd was not so justified.

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Do you think drive baby drive isn't about to get paid?

Pretty sure they had bigger to fish to fry for example getting illegally appointed real estate attorneys removed from their position or possibly working on getting the Epstein files released
The Trump Flood the zone strategy makes it impossible to respond to everything but pretty sure you already knew that

Trump or Vance wrote be writing that check

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Pretty sure they had bigger to fish to fry for example getting illegally appointed real estate attorneys removed from their position or possibly working on getting the Epstein files released
The Trump Flood the zone strategy makes it impossible to respond to everything but pretty sure you already knew that

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As long as the Babbit family received compensation. Dems could have addressed the unjustified shoot and chose not to.

flown-the-coop said:

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Pretty sure they had bigger to fish to fry for example getting illegally appointed real estate attorneys removed from their position or possibly working on getting the Epstein files released
The Trump Flood the zone strategy makes it impossible to respond to everything but pretty sure you already knew that

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As long as the Babbit family received compensation. Dems could have addressed the unjustified shoot and chose not to.

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Her family deserved nothing. Especially $5 million.

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flown-the-coop said:

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Sq 17 said:

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Pretty sure they had bigger to fish to fry for example getting illegally appointed real estate attorneys removed from their position or possibly working on getting the Epstein files released
The Trump Flood the zone strategy makes it impossible to respond to everything but pretty sure you already knew that

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As long as the Babbit family received compensation. Dems could have addressed the unjustified shoot and chose not to.

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Her family deserved nothing. Especially $5 million.

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A team and the leadership I voted for and continue to support felt otherwise. Elections have consequences and such.

And Byrd should lawyer up.