A 3200lbs Ford Escape at 5mph generates @2674 ft lbs of kinetic energy. That exceeds the kinetic energy of a high powered rifle. So, yeah, getting just getting squarely hit by such a vehicle at that speed is exceptionally dangerous to humans, not withstanding getting potentially run over.

As I also said on the previous page, with the road conditions during winter, the officer could fall down and get run over. It doesn't matter what speed the car is going if it drives over on top of you.

I am more concerned about the poor dog in the backseat than the idiot woman.

I hope the dog survived.

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A 3200lbs Ford Escape at 5mph generates @2674 ft lbs of kinetic energy. That exceeds the kinetic energy of a high powered rifle. So, yeah, getting just getting squarely hit by such a vehicle at that speed is exceptionally dangerous to humans, not withstanding getting potentially run over.

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All the car would need to do is knock the person to the ground. Then they would be at the mercy of the tires.

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When criminals are together and a capital murder is committed, they can all be charged with capital murder. This woman got her wife killed.

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Be careful there. That would be while in the commission of a serious felony. We do not know what else those two were doing earlier in the day or in the days before. It does seem this particularly team of agents were familiar with these two but no proof of that...yet.

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I am not saying this was a capital offense. I am saying the death was the direct result of the womens' actions in committing crimes against the officers. Like compatriots being charged with the same crime, I think this woman should be charged for her wife's death.

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No argument. If she followed instructions she would be alive doesn't change my stance that going from park to 5mph is not a life threatening situation to pull your gun out and shoot.

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It cost the idiot her life, so yes, it was life threatening.

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From the video it appears that the "wife" of Renee Nicole Good should be charged with attempted murder/assault. "Drive, baby drive"

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At what point does she try and argue it was an accident to not be charged as an accessory to murder/manslaughter?

That heel turn will be entertaining.

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Anyone that still thinks this is murder has an agenda and just hates cops. All cops.

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The politicians and the news stations need to face consequences for twisting narratives and inciting the public before all the evidence is available...It's just dangerous...It's dangerous for law enforcement and dangerous for the health of our society...

They're ought to be a way the LEO's can sue them all for false reporting in a case like this if the LEO is found to be in the right, and I mean sue them for big time money.. The departments they work for should encourage it and provide the legal representation for them to sue these morons that slander them and put them at risk for just doing their job...

I found the award-winning poetry:

i want back my rocking chairs,

solipsist sunsets,
& coastal jungle sounds that are tercets from cicadas and pentameter from the hairy legs of cockroaches.

i've donated bibles to thrift stores
(mashed them in plastic trash bags with an acidic himalayan salt lamp
the post-baptism bibles, the ones plucked from street corners from the meaty hands of zealots, the dumbed-down, easy-to-read, parasitic kind):

remember more the slick rubber smell of high gloss biology textbook pictures; they burned the hairs inside my nostrils,
& salt & ink that rubbed off on my palms.
under clippings of the moon at two forty five AM I study&repeat
ribosome
endoplasmic
lactic acid
stamen

at the IHOP on the corner of powers and stetson hills

i repeated & scribbled until it picked its way & stagnated somewhere i can't point to anymore, maybe my gut
maybe there in-between my pancreas & large intestine is the piddly brook of my soul.

it's the ruler by which i reduce all things now; hard-edged & splintering from knowledge that used to sit, a cloth against fevered forehead.
can i let them both be? this fickle faith and this college science that heckles from the back of the classroom


now i can't believe
that the bible and qur'an and bhagavad gita are sliding long hairs behind my ear like mom used to & exhaling from their mouths "make room for wonder"
all my understanding dribbles down the chin onto the chest & is summarized as:
life is merely
to ovum and sperm
and where those two meet
and how often and how well
and what dies there.

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A 3200lbs Ford Escape at 5mph generates @2674 ft lbs of kinetic energy. That exceeds the kinetic energy of a high powered rifle. So, yeah, getting just getting squarely hit by such a vehicle at that speed is exceptionally dangerous to humans, not withstanding getting potentially run over.

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All the car would need to do is knock the person to the ground. Then they would be at the mercy of the tires.

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Could also hit your head on the ground which is potentially deadly.

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After seeing the video, I don't think my stance has changed. Cops are too quick to shoot in general.

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Why not just follow the instructions and don't interfere? That's what most people do.

Thus why most people don't get shot.

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No argument. If she followed instructions she would be alive doesn't change my stance that going from park to 5mph is not a life threatening situation to pull your gun out and shoot.

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Hey bud, let us know where you'd like to meet and you can stand in front of one of our vehicles and let us run you over. Then after you recover and are back to work, we can meet up again and see how you react to a vehicle going from stopped to gassed with you in front of it. Methinks you'd change your mind about it not being life threatening.

The media going after Vance and Trump and Noem -

do you really think that they hadn't seen this video before they made their statements?

Am I the only one that saw a T-Rex standing on a car in the background at 0:26?

After watching several angles of the available videos, she was very clearly stupid for trying to flee, but that's not a good shoot.

If the dude is that skittish after what happened to him previously that he felt compelled to whack a hippie there, he probably shouldn't have been working. At minimum he's getting sued into oblivion. He drew his gun while he was very easily side-stepping to get out of the way of someone being reckless.

As is always the case though, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The hippie made a bad life choice, the ice dude probably did too.

Wonder if we could get Bon Jovi back together to sing

"Shot through the face
and I'm to blame
'cause
I was playin'
a stupid game"

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After watching several angles of the available videos, she was very clearly stupid for trying to flee, but that's not a good shoot.

If the dude is that skittish after what happened to him previously that he felt compelled to whack a hippie there, he probably shouldn't have been working. At minimum he's getting sued into oblivion. He drew his gun while he was very easily side-stepping to get out of the way of someone being reckless.

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Wrong. All of the elements for a justifiable homicide have been met.

If that's truly and legally the case, the bar is way too low.

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A 3200lbs Ford Escape at 5mph generates @2674 ft lbs of kinetic energy. That exceeds the kinetic energy of a high powered rifle. So, yeah, getting just getting squarely hit by such a vehicle at that speed is exceptionally dangerous to humans, not withstanding getting potentially run over.

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All the car would need to do is knock the person to the ground. Then they would be at the mercy of the tires.

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Could also hit your head on the ground which is potentially deadly.

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Y'all are right on all points. I was attempting to show anyone who believes that 5mph isnt dangerous that they are mistaken.

Would you like to test your hypothesis? I am sure anyone on here would volunteer to be the driver if you are willing to be in the same position of the Leo but you cannot have a gun. Let's see how fast you can move and see how much damage you take. Willing to back up your position?

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After seeing the video, I don't think my stance has changed. Cops are too quick to shoot in general.

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Why not just follow the instructions and don't interfere? That's what most people do.

Thus why most people don't get shot.

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No argument. If she followed instructions she would be alive doesn't change my stance that going from park to 5mph is not a life threatening situation to pull your gun out and shoot.

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She was not inching forward. Her tires were spinning and the officer could hear that as she was revving the engine. On snowy ice. When those tires finally gain traction she'll take off. Again not inching forward trying to gain purchase. She pushed the accelerator hard enough to spin the tires.

SIAP

Well would you look at that 🤔. pic.twitter.com/TRrr7Fb6av

— Cloud (@cloud1a7) January 9, 2026

Would you like to test your hypothesis? I am sure anyone on here would volunteer to be the driver if you are willing to be in the same position of the Leo but you cannot have a gun. Let's see how fast you can move and see how much damage you take. Willing to back up your position? If you survive with no injuries, I'll give you $100k.

The officer clearly saw the lady turning the steering wheel.

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Am I the only one that saw a T-Rex standing on a car in the background at 0:26?

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Just some Christmas/Holiday decoration. No biggie.

Would you like to test your hypothesis? I am sure anyone on here would volunteer to be the driver if you are willing to be in the same position of the Leo but you cannot have a gun. Let's see how fast you can move and see how much damage you take. Willing to back up your position? If you survive with no injuries, I'll give you $100k

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Would you like to test your hypothesis? I am sure anyone on here would volunteer to be the driver if you are willing to be in the same position of the Leo but you cannot have a gun. Let's see how fast you can move and see how much damage you take. Willing to back up your position? If you survive with no injuries, I'll give you $100k

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Did the shooter get injured here? If not, seems like your hypothesis is already off. Maybe he did, I haven't heard. Looked fine at the end when he holstered his pew pew .

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Would you like to test your hypothesis? I am sure anyone on here would volunteer to be the driver if you are willing to be in the same position of the Leo but you cannot have a gun. Let's see how fast you can move and see how much damage you take. Willing to back up your position? If you survive with no injuries, I'll give you $100k

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If I were in that situation, I'd focus on getting out of the way instead of shooting the driver of a moving car and creating an even more dangerous situation. The agents have received terrible training.

Agreed. They could have taken out the wife too for participating in domestic terrorism.

Finish the job, right? More training, more action.

It is already reported that he went to the hospital. He most likely has a deep bruise on his leg at the least. Have you never heard of being injured and you don't realize it till after the adrenaline rush? There is a reason why you should always go to the hospital after a wreck even if you think you are okay. Sometimes you don't feel it till the next day.

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If that's truly and legally the case, the bar is way too low.

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I am telling you the current state of self defense laws as applied to law enforcement officers. I have absolutely no reason to lie. And I have been doing this same self defense analysis on this forum for years now.

Minnesota does have a (dumb) quirk in their state self defense laws, that of avoidance. BUT that does not apply to LEOs and for civilians, it is applied only if avoidance can be safely done in the moment.

Further, before you come back back with he could have just stepped aside, that is irrelevant in the final analysis because even the MN state law specifically includes hindsight is not to be considered in the assessment of the reasonableness of the officer's perception. Officers do NOT have to be correct, just reasonable in their perception and actions.

And these standards have been in place since the mid 80s in SCOTUS decisions In this day and age with video footage of so much, self defense cases are not that complicated anymore.

Since you are the expert here, why aren't you a training officer for law enforcement? If not what are your qualifications? Are is it that you believe all cops are bad?

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People need to go to prison for obstructing justice during things like this. If that happened you wouldn't have people doing **** like this thinking they would just get away with.

The audacity to think you can just **** with LEO is baffling to me.

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It should be legal for Feds to beat the living **** out of you for obstruction of official duties.

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Especially if someone is obstructing a thoroughfare like they own the joint. That's third world bs and should be dealt with using extreme , obscene, copious violence.

You sound informed and like you're very familiar with the law. And that still seems like a very low bar for killing someone.

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After seeing the video, I don't think my stance has changed. Cops are too quick to shoot in general.

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Why not just follow the instructions and don't interfere? That's what most people do.

Thus why most people don't get shot.

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No argument. If she followed instructions she would be alive doesn't change my stance that going from park to 5mph is not a life threatening situation to pull your gun out and shoot.

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You willing to have someone run over you going 5mph and see how things go?