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BigRobSA said:

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Gilligan said:

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aggiebrad94 said:

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People used to WANT to get off welfare. There was a social stigma to it.

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This! In the late 70's we were on food stamps and there were separate lines in the school cafeteria for free breakfast and .25 lunches.

Served a LOT of knuckle sandwiches from all the crap received from being in those lines.

Bring back the stigma! It's motivating.

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My mother was dying of cancer, and thusly, couldn't work (in the late 70s) and we were on food stamps. Definitely a stigma. She made my lunches, so no free school lunches (plus she loved me, so she fought for me to get a scholarship to a private, Lutheran school).

We make it too easy for people to abuse the system.

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Lutheran, ese?

Aren't y'all all Catholic?

Story doesn't check out.

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Yes.

But no Catholic schools close to where we were, and my mom (white) converted to Catholicism from Lutheranism when she met my father (brown).

Funnily, I still went to CCD and she was, for one or two grades, my CCD teacher.

We were the poster children for a helping hand, as she STILL would bake cakes and such, on the side, to make extra money for things. You know, the couple weeks a month she wasn't either on radiation or chemo. She would have MUCH rather been able to work (almost had her PHD before I popped out) as opposed to bed-ridden and terminal.

So, as you can understand, I have a special hatred for generational leeches.

Why not Texas?

BigRobSA said:

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Gilligan said:

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aggiebrad94 said:

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People used to WANT to get off welfare. There was a social stigma to it.

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This! In the late 70's we were on food stamps and there were separate lines in the school cafeteria for free breakfast and .25 lunches.

Served a LOT of knuckle sandwiches from all the crap received from being in those lines.

Bring back the stigma! It's motivating.

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My mother was dying of cancer, and thusly, couldn't work (in the late 70s) and we were on food stamps. Definitely a stigma. She made my lunches, so no free school lunches (plus she loved me, so she fought for me to get a scholarship to a private, Lutheran school).

We make it too easy for people to abuse the system.

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Sounds like you had a great momma in your early years and sorry you don't have her anymore.

You're talking about a time long, long ago before 'pride' was replaced by 'victimhood'. Democrats were genius for teeing up their massive voting block by giving them so many things with our money and convincing them they deserved it.

Their scheme worked to perfection and can't be fixed now, USA be damned.

The Bible says if you don't work you should not eat 2 Thes 3:10. You aren't supposed to be a burden to anyone if you are able to work.

BigRobSA said:

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ATM9000 said:

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techno-ag said:

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ATM9000 said:

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techno-ag said:

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ATM9000 said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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SNAP should only get you access to the unprocessed foods in the grocery store - vegetables, fruits, meats, cheeses, dairy, rice, beans.

Think of it as a "bread line" to borrow the Soviet term, where you dont have to wait for hours, it's not just bread, it's always in stock, and you can feed your family with the basics, which by the way are more healthy to raise a family on anyway. It's insane that candy, soda, chips, crackers, cereal (most of them, anyway), and other things like that were able to be purchased in the first place.

It should be sufficient to feed a family with hearty ingredients and meaningful calories, but not enough where you make competitive tik tok videos on how much "free" food you were able to purchase on someone else's dime.

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I generally agree with this sentiment but a food bans are so impractical.

The unintended consequence of a mandate like this are constant court battles around what is and isn't a soda or candy or potato chip or whatever and enforcement of the rule gets more costly than the efficiency it intends.

And you mention cheese and processed and I know what you are getting at… but super processed food and cheese in particular is generally cheapest for the retailer, producer and consumer as an example so defining these things on how 'processed' they are starts feeling like a fool's errand. Likely the same for bread. More 'processed' bread is cheaper for everyone usually.

I've always been of the view that if you want to force healthier habits and nutrition with SNAP benefit recipients, make the benefit smaller. Force the issue with the beneficiary rather than create a dog's dinner in enforcing the rules and regulations.

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Maybe add fresh veggies.

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But this is my point on why the answer is just give people less benefit and tell them to make ends meet rather than do restrictions. Fresh veggies are more expensive than canned or frozen. Frozen are generally more nutrient dense and canned as nutrient dense as fresh. Both are cheaper. Why throw restrictions on spend and narrowly define what's good and bad?

Let people do it just design the benefits received small enough for people to meet their base nutritional needs and learn how to make good choices.

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The point there's less to litigate if the list is limited to four or five healthy choices.

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There's still loads to litigate with it and tons of lobbying would be created to go on the 'bread' list for instance. Restrictions like this are such a waste of time. Just give people stipend to cover what they need and magically watch them become better decision makers and quickly.

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Give them a box with rice, beans, canned veggies, a loaf or two of bread and canned meat. Done.

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Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! Only FRESH vegetables are "healthy" and canned meat is "processed"!!!!!!!!

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Five states getting it started. Thirteen more to follow. A good start.

RFK can be an oddball on some things, but he's right on target here.

Good Trump for backing him up on this. I'm sure we'll hear from the Dems calling it 'unfair,' 'racist,' or some other silliness.

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Starting Thursday, Americans in five states who get government help paying for groceries will see new restrictions on soda, candy and other foods they can buy with those benefits.
Indiana, Iowa, Nebraska, Utah and West Virginia are the first of at least 18 states to enact waivers prohibiting the purchase of certain foods through the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP.

It's part of a push by Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins to urge states to strip foods regarded as unhealthy from the $100 billion federal program -- long known as food stamps -- that serves 42 million Americans.

"We cannot continue a system that forces taxpayers to fund programs that make people sick and then pay a second time to treat the illnesses those very programs help create," Kennedy said in a statement in December.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/nutrition/snap-bans-on-soda-candy-and-other-foods-take-effect-in-five-states-jan-1/ar-AA1TijMK?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=6954739cb1dc4b778fa74c2d9775e618&ei=18

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It's sad that Tanya did not live to see this. It would have made her very happy and she would have had wonderful dialogs to share from the BSC Moms group.

BigRobSA said:

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Ag with kids said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Gilligan said:

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aggiebrad94 said:

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People used to WANT to get off welfare. There was a social stigma to it.

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This! In the late 70's we were on food stamps and there were separate lines in the school cafeteria for free breakfast and .25 lunches.

Served a LOT of knuckle sandwiches from all the crap received from being in those lines.

Bring back the stigma! It's motivating.

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My mother was dying of cancer, and thusly, couldn't work (in the late 70s) and we were on food stamps. Definitely a stigma. She made my lunches, so no free school lunches (plus she loved me, so she fought for me to get a scholarship to a private, Lutheran school).

We make it too easy for people to abuse the system.

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Lutheran, ese?

Aren't y'all all Catholic?

Story doesn't check out.

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Yes.

But no Catholic schools close to where we were, and my mom (white) converted to Catholicism from Lutheranism when she met my father (brown).

Funnily, I still went to CCD and she was, for one or two grades, my CCD teacher.

We were the poster children for a helping hand, as she STILL would bake cakes and such, on the side, to make extra money for things. You know, the couple weeks a month she wasn't either on radiation or chemo. She would have MUCH rather been able to work (almost had her PHD before I popped out) as opposed to bed-ridden and terminal.

So, as you can understand, I have a special hatred for generational leeches.

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Hah....My mom (yankee) converted to Lutheranism from Catholicism when she ment my dad (Texan).

Your mom sounds awesome! And I know your dad was!

Ag with kids said:

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Your mom sounds awesome! And I know your dad was!

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Word! </Awkward 80s rap pose>

BigRobSA said:

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Ag with kids said:

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Your mom sounds awesome! And I know your dad was!

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Word! </Awkward 80s rap pose>

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Lean like a cholo....

Ag with kids said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Ag with kids said:

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Your mom sounds awesome! And I know your dad was!

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Word! </Awkward 80s rap pose>

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Lean like a cholo....

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Whoop2 said:

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The Bible says if you don't work you should not eat 2 Thes 3:10. You aren't supposed to be a burden to anyone if you are able to work.

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Proverbs 28:19 ESV
[19] Whoever works his land will have plenty of bread, but he who follows worthless pursuits will have plenty of poverty.

https://bible.com/bible/59/pro.28.19.ESV

If you 5 foot 3
Weighing 300 pounds
I shouldn't have to pay
For your bag of fudge rounds

AGROAg88 said:

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Why not Texas?

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Texas starts on April 1, 2026.

ExPeterKeating said:

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AGROAg88 said:

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Why not Texas?

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Texas starts on April 1, 2026.

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Aggie Infantry said:

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If you 5 foot 3
Weighing 300 pounds
I shouldn't have to pay
For your bag of fudge rounds

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Should anyone with a body mass index > 30 be on foodstamps?