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I do not defend Hamas. They are a terrorist organization. Their attack on Israeli civilians was abhorrent. I'm not sure why this is even an issue. I do not recognize Palestine as a sovereign nation.

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The war was 100% the fault of Hamas. They attacked Israel unprovoked, murdered their civilians and then refused to surrender for 2+ years when they could have stopped the war at any point.

That means that anything that happens during the war is also 100% the fault of Hamas. They purposely hide among civilians because they know people like you will fall for the "genocide" lie. Anytime you assign any portion of the blame to the country that was attacked you are, by default, defending Hamas. Hope that helps.

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Am I not allowed to say a state actor is committing genocide? Can I not say that there was genocide in Rwanda? Are only certain states able to commit genocide?

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When it actually fits the definition, sure. When you fit the definition to fit any action that a specific state does, it brings up what is so special about that specific state that you find so objectionable.

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I do not defend Hamas. They are a terrorist organization. Their attack on Israeli civilians was abhorrent. I'm not sure why this is even an issue. I do not recognize Palestine as a sovereign nation.

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Ok. But this is the war Hamas is very purposely forcing them to fight. So how is the "genocide" on isreal?

Is isreal just supposed to sit back and let Hamas cross the border and come slaughter a few thousand of them in perpetuity?

And like 80% of Palestine support Hamas, even post 10/7. So essentially the entirety of Palestine is a terrorist organization. Which also means the majority of Palestine saw Hamas slaughtering innocent civilians on 10/7 and said yeah I support that, but you want us to muster sympathy for these people. Yeah….no thanks. Suicidal empathy.

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

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For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

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Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

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Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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itsyourboypookie said:

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

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For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

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Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

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Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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itsyourboypookie said:

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

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For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

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Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

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Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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Not your kind of "youth movement", no.

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Keyno said:

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itsyourboypookie said:

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

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For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

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Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

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Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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I'll take a stab, but hope you can answer mine.

I absolutely think those are legitimate political debates.

Do I agree with them? No.

Should they be argued? Sure.

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itsyourboypookie said:

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

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For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

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Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

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Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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I'll take a stab, but hope you can answer mine.

I absolutely think those are legitimate political debates.

Do I agree with them? No.

Should they be argued? Sure.

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You don't agree we should stop doing foreign war for a foreign nation and stop endless immigration? OK.

This is the debate currently being had in the public square. It's America First vs. whatever the GOP has been doing for the last 50 years

Keyno said:

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itsyourboypookie said:

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

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For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

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Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

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Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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I'll take a stab, but hope you can answer mine.

I absolutely think those are legitimate political debates.

Do I agree with them? No.

Should they be argued? Sure.

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You don't agree we should stop doing foreign war for a foreign nation and stop endless immigration? OK.

This is the debate currently being had in the public square. It's America First vs. whatever the GOP has been doing for the last 50 years

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I agree with controlling immigration and I agree we need to prioritize our foreign engagements.

Keyno said:

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itsyourboypookie said:

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

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For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

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Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

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Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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I'll take a stab, but hope you can answer mine.

I absolutely think those are legitimate political debates.

Do I agree with them? No.

Should they be argued? Sure.

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You don't agree we should stop doing foreign war for a foreign nation and stop endless immigration? OK.

This is the debate currently being had in the public square. It's America First vs. whatever the GOP has been doing for the last 50 years

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These are all legitimate debates and should be had inside the GOP.

What's not legit, and what I'll throw down over, is anything that implies another race or ethnicity is less than or problematic.

I don't think that has any place in conservatism.

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Well said. I agree a wrong intent doesn't inherently make it a bad decision strategically. But we have the benefit of 23 years in the ME to look back on those strategies. I'd challenge anyone to show a net benefit to the US. Is it the patriot act? Trillions in debt? 100 thousand servicemen dead by suicide? US weapons in the hands of the taliban? Million dead Iraqis? 1000s upon 1000s of Muslims refugees?

At a certain point I think an Intellectually honest person has to ask the question who has benefited from our ME involvement for over two decades? It certainly hasn't been the Untied States! And who keeps pushing for further Me involvement? Coincidentally it's both Israel and AIPAC politicians.

I mean we have servicemen dying in Syria for over a decade. What are we doing there?!?!

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You nailed the failures -- they have been catastrophic.

But i think letting Israel act is actually the antidote to even more eventual US involvement. Even with our fcurrent aid, its their pilots and soldiers on the line at the end of the day, not ours. If they degrade the threat now, the DC establishment can't come in and claim we need to send troops later.

Also, history shows we will tell them what to do, not the other way around, (even at times to their detriment)

Gulf War: We forced them to sit back and take Scud missiles, without firing back, just to keep our coalition happy.

Yom Kippur War: The US warned Israel not to strike first, so they waited, got attacked, and took massive losses.

Id prefer to let them handle their business so we don't have to later.

Anyhow, i appreciate the debate. I think we (mostly) agree on the diagnosis, however we disagree on how to fix it. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

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If it becomes permissable, i believe the left will win a bunch of elections, to put it lightly.

Agreed. Excellent highlights. I'm all for them exercising their sovereignty how they see fit.

Merry Christmas to you and yours as well! Been a good discussion!

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itsyourboypookie said:

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

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For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

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Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

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Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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I'll take a stab, but hope you can answer mine.

I absolutely think those are legitimate political debates.

Do I agree with them? No.

Should they be argued? Sure.

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You don't agree we should stop doing foreign war for a foreign nation and stop endless immigration? OK.

This is the debate currently being had in the public square. It's America First vs. whatever the GOP has been doing for the last 50 years

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These are all legitimate debates and should be had inside the GOP.

What's not legit, and what I'll throw down over, is anything that implies another race or ethnicity is less than or problematic.

I don't think that has any place in conservatism.

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I would encourage you to investigate the foreign lobbies which finance our politicians. Some are problematic and saying so is the only way to solve the problem.

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

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For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

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Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

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Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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I'll take a stab, but hope you can answer mine.

I absolutely think those are legitimate political debates.

Do I agree with them? No.

Should they be argued? Sure.

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You don't agree we should stop doing foreign war for a foreign nation and stop endless immigration? OK.

This is the debate currently being had in the public square. It's America First vs. whatever the GOP has been doing for the last 50 years

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These are all legitimate debates and should be had inside the GOP.

What's not legit, and what I'll throw down over, is anything that implies another race or ethnicity is less than or problematic.

I don't think that has any place in conservatism.

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I would encourage you to investigate the foreign lobbies which finance our politicians. Some are problematic and saying so is the only way to solve the problem.

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I agree, foreign money coming into the US is challenging.

But if we go by that metric, Israel isn't even in the top 20.

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Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Megyn Kelly and others just seem to be flailing at each other right now. Israel/Palestine seems to be a big part of this, as does the Kirk assassination. I have no idea what to make of this, as there are clearly a lot of different agendas and egos involved.

Can anybody make sense of this?

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All of these slick conmen make their money on perpetual victimhood. Although there is a lot of perpetual victimhood to monetize, it isn't unlimited. They are simply fighting over the pie, nothing more. The 'issues' are facades, it's all about money (capturing audience).

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Agreed. Paul warned us of such types, in his typically clear manner;

I think about this passage a lot as it relates to certain evil people (especially a few clearly demonic podcasters) who like to often cite or invoke religion as a justification to promote hate/evil. https://t.co/OykYWrrBDq

— AG (@AGHamilton29) December 24, 2025

And I'm not talking about the nation state of Israel or Jews or anything else, but these types (and others) I've grown ever more increasingly disgusted by:

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

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For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

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Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

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Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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I'll take a stab, but hope you can answer mine.

I absolutely think those are legitimate political debates.

Do I agree with them? No.

Should they be argued? Sure.

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You don't agree we should stop doing foreign war for a foreign nation and stop endless immigration? OK.

This is the debate currently being had in the public square. It's America First vs. whatever the GOP has been doing for the last 50 years

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These are all legitimate debates and should be had inside the GOP.

What's not legit, and what I'll throw down over, is anything that implies another race or ethnicity is less than or problematic.

I don't think that has any place in conservatism.

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I would encourage you to investigate the foreign lobbies which finance our politicians. Some are problematic and saying so is the only way to solve the problem.

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I agree, foreign money coming into the US is challenging.

But if we go by that metric, Israel isn't even in the top 20.

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Yep. And yet, Tucker, Candace and co only talk about one country. Strange.

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— James Lindsay, anti-Communist (@ConceptualJames) December 26, 2025

Less than two days after Nick Fuentes destroyed Vivek Ramaswamy, his projections have dropped dramatically.

The Nick Fuentes effect is real. The groyper curse is real.

What a terrible Christmas for Vivek…oh wait, he doesn’t celebrate Christmas. https://t.co/B7AScLwgzN pic.twitter.com/rCIVvhJak3

— Fractured Light (@FracturedLight0) December 25, 2025

This is the future. Old cons better get used to it.

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

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For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

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Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

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Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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Anyone can "be in the movement." That doesn't mean they get to define the direction of the movement. Conspiratorial lunatics shouldn't have much of a voice.

Thats why idiots on the Fuentes/Owens/Carlson side are mad at Trump. They saw him as a vessel for there ******ed isolationist agenda, and when he didn't listen to him they decided they wanted to take their ball and go home.

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Keyno said:

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Keyno said:

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Keyno said:

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itsyourboypookie said:

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

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For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

---

Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

---

Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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Anyone can "be in the movement." That doesn't mean they get to define the direction of the movement. Conspiratorial lunatics shouldn't have much of a voice.

Thats why idiots on the Fuentes/Owens/Carlson side are mad at Trump. They saw him as a vessel for there ******ed isolationist agenda, and when he didn't listen to him they decided they wanted to take their ball and go home.

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Why is being pro America first and not wanting anything to do with foreign and special interests a conspiracy theory?

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Less than two days after Nick Fuentes destroyed Vivek Ramaswamy, his projections have dropped dramatically.

The Nick Fuentes effect is real. The groyper curse is real.

What a terrible Christmas for Vivek…oh wait, he doesn’t celebrate Christmas. https://t.co/B7AScLwgzN pic.twitter.com/rCIVvhJak3

— Fractured Light (@FracturedLight0) December 25, 2025

This is the future. Old cons better get used to it.

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All that shows is incel groypers are the predominant demographic on Kalshi, which isn't surprising. Nick Fuentes saying absolutely nothing new and unexpected did nothing to Vivek.

Please don't tell me you're this easily fooled by Internet personalities.

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Keyno said:

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Keyno said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Keyno said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Keyno said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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itsyourboypookie said:

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

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For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

---

Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

---

Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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Anyone can "be in the movement." That doesn't mean they get to define the direction of the movement. Conspiratorial lunatics shouldn't have much of a voice.

Thats why idiots on the Fuentes/Owens/Carlson side are mad at Trump. They saw him as a vessel for there ******ed isolationist agenda, and when he didn't listen to him they decided they wanted to take their ball and go home.

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Trump himself introduced the "isolationist agenda" in his original run in 2015/2016. Talking about pulling out of NATO, pulling out of the middle east, ending the foreign aid, etc. These were Trump's original positions which were massively popular and helped him win against all odds. A more accurate statement would be they are mad that Trump did not follow through on what he was saying

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Keyno said:

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Keyno said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Keyno said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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itsyourboypookie said:

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

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For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

---

Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

---

Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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Anyone can "be in the movement." That doesn't mean they get to define the direction of the movement. Conspiratorial lunatics shouldn't have much of a voice.

Thats why idiots on the Fuentes/Owens/Carlson side are mad at Trump. They saw him as a vessel for there ******ed isolationist agenda, and when he didn't listen to him they decided they wanted to take their ball and go home.

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Why is being pro America first and not wanting anything to do with foreign and special interests a conspiracy theory?

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Because there's a line between truly believing America has no interests in allies abroad (ridiculous) and peddling conspiracies about how Israel is the "Great Satan" and behind every bad foreign policy decision the U.S. has ever made.


But plenty of troglodytes will try to hide behind the facade of being "America First" to try to legitimize their conspiracies.

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Keyno said:

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Keyno said:

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Keyno said:

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Keyno said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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itsyourboypookie said:

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

---

For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

---

Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

---

Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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Anyone can "be in the movement." That doesn't mean they get to define the direction of the movement. Conspiratorial lunatics shouldn't have much of a voice.

Thats why idiots on the Fuentes/Owens/Carlson side are mad at Trump. They saw him as a vessel for there ******ed isolationist agenda, and when he didn't listen to him they decided they wanted to take their ball and go home.

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Why is being pro America first and not wanting anything to do with foreign and special interests a conspiracy theory?

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Because there's a line between truly believing America has no interests in allies abroad (ridiculous) and peddling conspiracies about how Israel is the "Great Satan" and behind every bad foreign policy decision the U.S. has ever made.


But plenty of troglodytes will try to hide behind the facade of being "America First" to try to legitimize their conspiracies.

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Do you think it's appropriate that Ted Cruz is swayed in decision making because of money he receives from AIPAC? Do you think we should tolerate that? Do you believe it's healthy for a country to import overseas labor when our own kids can't find jobs?

Keyno said:

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Kvetch said:

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Keyno said:

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Keyno said:

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Keyno said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Keyno said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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itsyourboypookie said:

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

---

For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

---

For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

---

Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

---

Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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Anyone can "be in the movement." That doesn't mean they get to define the direction of the movement. Conspiratorial lunatics shouldn't have much of a voice.

Thats why idiots on the Fuentes/Owens/Carlson side are mad at Trump. They saw him as a vessel for there ******ed isolationist agenda, and when he didn't listen to him they decided they wanted to take their ball and go home.

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Trump himself introduced the "isolationist agenda" in his original run in 2015/2016. Talking about pulling out of NATO, pulling out of the middle east, ending the foreign aid, etc. These were Trump's original positions which were massively popular and helped him win against all odds. A more accurate statement would be they are mad that Trump did not follow through on what he was saying

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No. Trump campaigned as anti-war achieved via peace through strength. You misinterpreting what he campaigned on because he said the phrase "no new wars" does not mean he was ever an isolationist.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Kvetch said:

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Keyno said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Keyno said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Keyno said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Keyno said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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itsyourboypookie said:

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

---

For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

---

For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

---

Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

---

OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

---

Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

---

If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

---

Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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Anyone can "be in the movement." That doesn't mean they get to define the direction of the movement. Conspiratorial lunatics shouldn't have much of a voice.

Thats why idiots on the Fuentes/Owens/Carlson side are mad at Trump. They saw him as a vessel for there ******ed isolationist agenda, and when he didn't listen to him they decided they wanted to take their ball and go home.

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Why is being pro America first and not wanting anything to do with foreign and special interests a conspiracy theory?

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Because there's a line between truly believing America has no interests in allies abroad (ridiculous) and peddling conspiracies about how Israel is the "Great Satan" and behind every bad foreign policy decision the U.S. has ever made.


But plenty of troglodytes will try to hide behind the facade of being "America First" to try to legitimize their conspiracies.

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Do you think it's appropriate that Ted Cruz is swayed in decision making because of money he receives from AIPAC? Do you think we should tolerate that? Do you believe it's healthy for a country to import overseas labor when our own kids can't find jobs?

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You saying Ted Cruz is swayed by AIPAC does not make it true. And your assessment of the labor market seems a bit misinformed to me. Maybe a little less chicken little.

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Keyno said:

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itsyourboypookie said:

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

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For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

---

Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

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Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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I'll take a stab, but hope you can answer mine.

I absolutely think those are legitimate political debates.

Do I agree with them? No.

Should they be argued? Sure.

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You don't agree we should stop doing foreign war for a foreign nation and stop endless immigration? OK.

This is the debate currently being had in the public square. It's America First vs. whatever the GOP has been doing for the last 50 years

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These are all legitimate debates and should be had inside the GOP.

What's not legit, and what I'll throw down over, is anything that implies another race or ethnicity is less than or problematic.

I don't think that has any place in conservatism.

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I would encourage you to investigate the foreign lobbies which finance our politicians. Some are problematic and saying so is the only way to solve the problem.

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I agree, foreign money coming into the US is challenging.

But if we go by that metric, Israel isn't even in the top 20.

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Yep. And yet, Tucker, Candace and co only talk about one country. Strange.

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Tucker is literally a property owner in Qatar now. I wouldn't be surprised if he bought a condo in the same building the Hamas head thugs were based in for 10+ years. Outside of the US (USAID primarily), Qatar is the second largest sponsor of Hamas/Al Qaeda/islamist terrorist organizations in the world over the past 20 years.

BREAKING: A new FARA filing reveals Qatar paid to facilitate Tucker Carlson’s interview with its Prime Minister — including pre-approved talking points about Iran.

👀 pic.twitter.com/SjFKeamROd

— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) June 18, 2025

BREAKING:

Tucker Carlson Is Buying Property In Qatar

Speaking on stage at the Doha Forum in Qatar, @TuckerCarlson told Qatar’s Prime Minister Al Thani that he is buying a place in Qatar this week because he’s an “American” and he will live and go wherever he wants.

Tucker… pic.twitter.com/DN8GK4fJbz

— Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) December 7, 2025

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Keyno said:

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Keyno said:

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Keyno said:

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itsyourboypookie said:

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

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For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

---

Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

---

Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

---

I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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Anyone can "be in the movement." That doesn't mean they get to define the direction of the movement. Conspiratorial lunatics shouldn't have much of a voice.

Thats why idiots on the Fuentes/Owens/Carlson side are mad at Trump. They saw him as a vessel for there ******ed isolationist agenda, and when he didn't listen to him they decided they wanted to take their ball and go home.

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Trump himself introduced the "isolationist agenda" in his original run in 2015/2016. Talking about pulling out of NATO, pulling out of the middle east, ending the foreign aid, etc. These were Trump's original positions which were massively popular and helped him win against all odds. A more accurate statement would be they are mad that Trump did not follow through on what he was saying

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No. Trump campaigned as anti-war achieved via peace through strength. You misinterpreting what he campaigned on because he said the phrase "no new wars" does not mean he was ever an isolationist.

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You are gaslighting or just forgetting what the 2015/2016 message was. Trump said many other things besides "no new wars". He said Iraq was a mistake. He talked about pulling out of NATO. He criticized US foreign engagements in general, especially with regard to the middle east. His core message was BUILD A WALL.

Trump was absolutely pushing an "isolationist agenda" in 2015 and 2016. This is just the history. He was widely ridiculed for it by foreign policy experts, the media, and both political party establishments, because it was such a massive break from the post WW2 bipartisan consensus.

Not an accurate tweet. Vivek celebrates Christmas every year by crashing out and disparaging Americans.

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Not an accurate tweet. Vivek celebrates Christmas every year by crashing out and disparaging Americans.

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I can't believe that was a year ago already. That tweet alone should have disqualified him from ever holding any official office, and a sane county would have revoked his citizenship. What a disgrace.

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Keyno said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Keyno said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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itsyourboypookie said:

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

---

For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

---

Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

---

OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

---

Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

---

If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

---

Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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Anyone can "be in the movement." That doesn't mean they get to define the direction of the movement. Conspiratorial lunatics shouldn't have much of a voice.

Thats why idiots on the Fuentes/Owens/Carlson side are mad at Trump. They saw him as a vessel for there ******ed isolationist agenda, and when he didn't listen to him they decided they wanted to take their ball and go home.

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Trump himself introduced the "isolationist agenda" in his original run in 2015/2016. Talking about pulling out of NATO, pulling out of the middle east, ending the foreign aid, etc. These were Trump's original positions which were massively popular and helped him win against all odds. A more accurate statement would be they are mad that Trump did not follow through on what he was saying

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No. Trump campaigned as anti-war achieved via peace through strength. You misinterpreting what he campaigned on because he said the phrase "no new wars" does not mean he was ever an isolationist.

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You are gaslighting or just forgetting what the 2015/2016 message was. Trump said many other things besides "no new wars". He said Iraq was a mistake. He talked about pulling out of NATO. He criticized US foreign engagements in general, especially with regard to the middle east. His core message was BUILD A WALL.

Trump was absolutely pushing an "isolationist agenda" in 2015 and 2016. This is just the history. He was widely ridiculed for it by foreign policy experts, the media, and both political party establishments, because it was such a massive break from the post WW2 bipartisan consensus.

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Saying Iraq was a mistake is not some isolationist rallying cry. He said our wars in the Middle East were failures because we didn't take the oil. He wanted to pull out of NATO for economic reasons, specifically them not paying their fair share. He used threats of pulling out as a negotiating tactic. He wanted to build the wall as a part of his anti illegal immigrant policy, not to isolate us from any country south of the border.

Your clan was never right about Trump. Sorry you thought differently.

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

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For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

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Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

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Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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Anyone can "be in the movement." That doesn't mean they get to define the direction of the movement. Conspiratorial lunatics shouldn't have much of a voice.

Thats why idiots on the Fuentes/Owens/Carlson side are mad at Trump. They saw him as a vessel for there ******ed isolationist agenda, and when he didn't listen to him they decided they wanted to take their ball and go home.

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Trump himself introduced the "isolationist agenda" in his original run in 2015/2016. Talking about pulling out of NATO, pulling out of the middle east, ending the foreign aid, etc. These were Trump's original positions which were massively popular and helped him win against all odds. A more accurate statement would be they are mad that Trump did not follow through on what he was saying

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No. Trump campaigned as anti-war achieved via peace through strength. You misinterpreting what he campaigned on because he said the phrase "no new wars" does not mean he was ever an isolationist.

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You are gaslighting or just forgetting what the 2015/2016 message was. Trump said many other things besides "no new wars". He said Iraq was a mistake. He talked about pulling out of NATO. He criticized US foreign engagements in general, especially with regard to the middle east. His core message was BUILD A WALL.

Trump was absolutely pushing an "isolationist agenda" in 2015 and 2016. This is just the history. He was widely ridiculed for it by foreign policy experts, the media, and both political party establishments, because it was such a massive break from the post WW2 bipartisan consensus.

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Saying Iraq was a mistake is not some isolationist rallying cry. He said our wars in the Middle East were failures because we didn't take the oil. He wanted to pull out of NATO for economic reasons, specifically them not paying their fair share. He used threats of pulling out as a negotiating tactic. He wanted to build the wall as a part of his anti illegal immigrant policy, not to isolate us from any country south of the border.

Your clan was never right about Trump. Sorry you thought differently.

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You are reframing the message with a decade of hindsight. At the time, his positions were widely ridiculed as isolationist because of how much they diverged from the bipartisan consensus. The media and foreign policy experts labeled him an isolationist at the time. Millions of voters took them as isolationist, and voted for them.

It's all ancient history though. 2015 MAGA is unrecognizable to whatever Trump is doing in 2025. But that's kind of why this entire "conservative civil war" is happening. Alot of people actually liked the 2015 message, and if Trump isn't going to do it, they they would like the next guy to.

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The Jews odd history being discussed in the public square.

The old guard doesn't seem to like that

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For clarity, this post right here is an example of Anti-Semitic talk.

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For clarity, this right here is an example of bizarre speech gatekeeping. This is what the youth is sick of. This is why there is a "civil war" in the conservative movement

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Every political movement should have boundaries, and if conservatism lets itself define a group of people by some sort of vague negative generality and not by the character of an individual… Then that is no longer a conservative movement.

And so yes, this is a Civil War… And people that subscribe to antisemitic talk should be purged from the movement.

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OK cool, but the post you responded to was not antisemitic. You threw that charge out there because you didn't like the speech. Free speech is a core tenant of the conservative movement. We had 4 years of cancel culture and censorship with Biden. No more

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Anyone referring to "odd history" of the Jews is saying antisemitic talk.

Full stop.

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If you say so. I'm telling you that the youth does not care about any of that. That's why there is a huge rift in the conservative movement.

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Ok, let me try a hypothetical:

Let's say there's a portion of the conservative movement who encourages the use of a "hard R," accuses black people of people sub human, and slavery was good…but also we need to overturn Obergefell.

Would you say we should allow those people to be a part of the conservative movement?

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I will answer your hypothetical with another

Let's say there is a huge amount of the conservative youth who are tired of endless foreign war for a foreign nation and also tired of endless immigration. They don't care about being called antisemitic or racist. Can they be in the movement?

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Anyone can "be in the movement." That doesn't mean they get to define the direction of the movement. Conspiratorial lunatics shouldn't have much of a voice.

Thats why idiots on the Fuentes/Owens/Carlson side are mad at Trump. They saw him as a vessel for there ******ed isolationist agenda, and when he didn't listen to him they decided they wanted to take their ball and go home.

---

Trump himself introduced the "isolationist agenda" in his original run in 2015/2016. Talking about pulling out of NATO, pulling out of the middle east, ending the foreign aid, etc. These were Trump's original positions which were massively popular and helped him win against all odds. A more accurate statement would be they are mad that Trump did not follow through on what he was saying

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No. Trump campaigned as anti-war achieved via peace through strength. You misinterpreting what he campaigned on because he said the phrase "no new wars" does not mean he was ever an isolationist.

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You are gaslighting or just forgetting what the 2015/2016 message was. Trump said many other things besides "no new wars". He said Iraq was a mistake. He talked about pulling out of NATO. He criticized US foreign engagements in general, especially with regard to the middle east. His core message was BUILD A WALL.

Trump was absolutely pushing an "isolationist agenda" in 2015 and 2016. This is just the history. He was widely ridiculed for it by foreign policy experts, the media, and both political party establishments, because it was such a massive break from the post WW2 bipartisan consensus.

---

Saying Iraq was a mistake is not some isolationist rallying cry. He said our wars in the Middle East were failures because we didn't take the oil. He wanted to pull out of NATO for economic reasons, specifically them not paying their fair share. He used threats of pulling out as a negotiating tactic. He wanted to build the wall as a part of his anti illegal immigrant policy, not to isolate us from any country south of the border.

Your clan was never right about Trump. Sorry you thought differently.

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You are reframing the message with a decade of hindsight. At the time, his positions were widely ridiculed as isolationist because of how much they diverged from the bipartisan consensus. The media and foreign policy experts labeled him an isolationist at the time. Millions of voters took them as isolationist, and voted for them.

It's all ancient history though. 2015 MAGA is unrecognizable to whatever Trump is doing in 2025. But that's kind of why this entire "conservative civil war" is happening. Alot of people actually liked the 2015 message, and if Trump isn't going to do it, they they would like the next guy to.

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Nope.

Ted Cruz: '"I came into Congress 13 years ago with the stated intention of being the largest defender of Israel in the United States."

Surely not someone swayed by Israel