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Actually, I don't think Mexico's replacement growth rate is much better than ours last time I looked. We basically just take people from them so unless they are backfilling on their own they are in as much trouble as we are.

Unless white people start having babies, we are approaching the end game. Frankly already are. It will be official when population counts start heading downwards.

Our saving grace (comparatively speaking) will be our geography and resources which are unprecedented on planet earth. Many other countries are already dead and don't realize it yet.

Just wait until Bretton Woods starts faltering....several countries will outright fail in short order.

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This is some depressing ***** But yes white people lost sight of what matters. We became selfish and self-centered. We became all about comfort and not about family. We lost sight of God and began worshipping ourselves and it will be our downfall.

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I'm not saying that it isn't or even that it is a bad thing if it is but if the population is declining then why is every city getting bigger and bigger? B/CS for example on a micro level.

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It's not the total population, it's the growth rate.

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Growth rates have indeed been declining since 2000. However, you want to know what other period(s) growth rates declined? The 70s and 80s. To be exact, every year from 1972 to 1989, and if you take out 1970 and 71, expand that range to start in 1967.

Cue the Marty McFly we've "seen this" meme. The impacts from the 25-odd years from the same thing happening in the mid-60s until the late '80s didn't cause what you're fearful of. Why should this period be any different?

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Seriously? Run the math out further. You can't look at one 25 yr period from the past, with different attributes and assumptions, and then proclaim future outcomes with wholly different attributes and assumptions will result in the same outcome. IOW, past performance is no guarantee of future results.

So, we haven't experienced the "seen this" meme at all in this country. Kb2001 answered this well as others did as well, but the longer this goes the worse it gets.

It's the same response I see from people who scoff at our debt as meaningless when they say "It's never been a problem before and we won't let it be in the future". Such a derp derp comment when they say that. Math is the ultimate reality slap in the face.

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It's the same response I see from people who scoff at our debt as meaningless when they say "It's never been a problem before and we won't let it be in the future". Such a derp derp comment when they say that. Math is the ultimate reality slap in the face.

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Here's the issue that is not being discussed.

NO ONE is willing to solve the problems. Well, certainly not able to and most will not discuss.

Then there is a giant faction of very powerful, very wealthy, very influential people who all want the problem to get worse.

So you can worry about it or figure out how to make the best of it during your trips around the Sun.

The best way to address it right now is to support Trump and get after your congress critters to work lock step with him whilst we have intelligent people in control of the US economy to make the best of these 44 trips around the Sun.

What's why i derp derp about population collapse and debt. Might as well sit with Ol' Clay and complain about the rain.

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It's the same response I see from people who scoff at our debt as meaningless when they say "It's never been a problem before and we won't let it be in the future". Such a derp derp comment when they say that. Math is the ultimate reality slap in the face.

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Here's the issue that is not being discussed.

NO ONE is willing to solve the problems. Well, certainly not able to and most will not discuss.

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How do you solve the population issue? Other countries have tried and failed. You can't force people to have kids.

I can tell you this: importing low IQ 3rd world humans (no offense to them) won't solve it.

We need to have the discussion so the sane people that lead (that excludes all libs) can figure out the best way to deal with the outcome of it.

Oh, I'm aware. I won't be here when the **** really hits the fan with the population crisis, but I worry about my nephews and nieces. They will feel that pain as conservative white people.

I could certainly be here if the debt problem collapses though.

We'll end up with ghost towns and ghost cities.

Abandoned buildings.

Logos Stick said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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YouBet said:

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It's the same response I see from people who scoff at our debt as meaningless when they say "It's never been a problem before and we won't let it be in the future". Such a derp derp comment when they say that. Math is the ultimate reality slap in the face.

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Here's the issue that is not being discussed.

NO ONE is willing to solve the problems. Well, certainly not able to and most will not discuss.

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How do you solve the population issue? Other countries have tried and failed. You can't force people to have kids.

I can tell you this: importing low IQ 3rd world humans (no offense to them) won't solve it.

We need to have the discussion so the sane people that lead (that excludes all libs) can figure out the best way to deal with it.

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Only way forward I see is that you become so technically and resource superior that your capabilities simply dwarf the mass populated low IQ countries. This is essentially where we are today, but we degrade it when anti-sovereignty Democrats and Globalists are in power because that group relies on low IQ people to keep their dreams of Elysium going.

In the former scenario I put above, I'm aiming for more of a Heinlein - Spartan - Japanese culture without the race purification. I'm fine with other races as long as they are bought into the culture and we are all rowing the same direction. The problem is that non-white cultures tend to not believe in western ideology at the population level. Too tribal and corrupt and can't seem to break that mentality.

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Oh, I'm aware. I won't be here when the **** really hits the fan with the population crisis, but I worry about my nephews and nieces. They will feel that pain as conservative white people.

I could certainly be here if the debt problem collapses though.

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No you won't.

You may not like how it is ultimately "resolved", but some sort of financial / societal collapse is not in the cards.

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It's the same response I see from people who scoff at our debt as meaningless when they say "It's never been a problem before and we won't let it be in the future". Such a derp derp comment when they say that. Math is the ultimate reality slap in the face.

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Here's the issue that is not being discussed.

NO ONE is willing to solve the problems. Well, certainly not able to and most will not discuss.

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How do you solve the population issue? YOU DON'T. Cause its not an issue / problem.

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Absolutely nothing wrong with a well-managed reduction of population.

Helps to be one with large arsenal of nuclear weapons, advanced weaponry, natural resources, and leaders with balls. Keep voting for the same and our worries are much, much less.

flown-the-coop said:

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Logos Stick said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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It's the same response I see from people who scoff at our debt as meaningless when they say "It's never been a problem before and we won't let it be in the future". Such a derp derp comment when they say that. Math is the ultimate reality slap in the face.

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Here's the issue that is not being discussed.

NO ONE is willing to solve the problems. Well, certainly not able to and most will not discuss.

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How do you solve the population issue? YOU DON'T. Cause its not an issue / problem.

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Absolutely nothing wrong with a well-managed reduction of population.

Helps to be one with large arsenal of nuclear weapons, advanced weaponry, natural resources, and leaders with balls. Keep voting for the same and our worries are much, much less.

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It absolutely IS an issue.

It may be an issue to you.

It is not on my list of issues I am even remotely concerned about.

Its been said and shown many times that this is the new climate hoax. Birth rates are not why societies ultimately collapse.

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It may be an issue to you.

It is not on my list of issues I am even remotely concerned about.

Its been said and shown many times that this is the new climate hoax. Birth rates are not why societies ultimately collapse.

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You're not concerned because you don't understand it.

It has not been "shown many times to be the new climate hoax".

Logos Stick said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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It may be an issue to you.

It is not on my list of issues I am even remotely concerned about.

Its been said and shown many times that this is the new climate hoax. Birth rates are not why societies ultimately collapse.

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You're not concerned because you don't understand it.

It has not been "shown many times to be the new climate hoax".

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You are concerned because you don't understand it.

Sorry, you are not changing my mind on this. I thought I made that clear.

Fear monger to the masses if you must. But there is no need to preach to me about what I do and do not understand.

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We'll end up with ghost towns and ghost cities.

Abandoned buildings.

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I dont really see where this is a problem though.

The same structures we had 200 years ago, are not the same we had 100 years ago, and are the same as we had 30 years ago.

We've watched societies in this country fluctuate between rural and urban. So many small towns around this State died off 50 years ago, but thanks to remote working and the internet, are being revived now. Some that used to be thriving are dying off.

San Saba used to be a dump, but it's been restored and become a great small town to visit in the past several years. Taylor died off, and had empty buildings for decades. Samsung built a building nearby, and that entire area is being redeveloped and booming.

Conversely, just down the road from Taylor, Rockdale used to be a thriving town, then Alcoa left.

Infrastructure is built, and it's subsequently replaced/demolished. Communities grow, and communities retract. There will never be a perfect balance, and ebbs and flows will continue to occur.

You don't need population just for consumption. We have too many useless feeders as it is, and people can always find ways to consume more resources on a per capita basis. You need them for production and protection.

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It's the same response I see from people who scoff at our debt as meaningless when they say "It's never been a problem before and we won't let it be in the future". Such a derp derp comment when they say that. Math is the ultimate reality slap in the face.

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Here's the issue that is not being discussed.

NO ONE is willing to solve the problems. Well, certainly not able to and most will not discuss.

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How do you solve the population issue? Other countries have tried and failed. You can't force people to have kids.

I can tell you this: importing low IQ 3rd world humans (no offense to them) won't solve it.

We need to have the discussion so the sane people that lead (that excludes all libs) can figure out the best way to deal with the outcome of it.

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There needs to be a concerted effort to get rid of our economic policies based on population growth. One of the biggest offenders is Social Security.

I would like to volunteer to explode japans birthrate for about a month. As long as I have no responsibility after the initial deposit

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Oh, I'm aware. I won't be here when the **** really hits the fan with the population crisis, but I worry about my nephews and nieces. They will feel that pain as conservative white people.

I could certainly be here if the debt problem collapses though.

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No you won't.

You may not like how it is ultimately "resolved", but some sort of financial / societal collapse is not in the cards.

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Sure. You having faith that our government can and will resolve this is delusional as thinking a financial/societal collapse is not in the cards. All empires have failed. Ours is not infallible. It's math. Come on, man.

I don't know when it will collapse. Could be soon; could be not soon.

Actually, the only way out at this point, ironically, is depopulation. And this assumes our government lets spending drop accordingly as we lose population. This also assumes it doesn't collapse before we peak and start down the other side of the mountain of de-population.

I am confident there is a core population in these United States capable of rising up to either retake this Country or split to found a new one.

People still exist so society itself has actually NEVER collapsed. Power and people just shift around, mix with others, take over others, etc.

As I said, be sure you are properly aligned at the key moments.

Being individually concerned about making babies and the trillions of debt seems like a colossal waste of time and energy to me.

Edit to Add: I fully support a depopulated America Future States. It will be extremely difficult and not all will be winners.

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I am confident there is a core population in these United States capable of rising up to either retake this Country or split to found a new one.

People still exist so society itself has actually NEVER collapsed. Power and people just shift around, mix with others, take over others, etc.

As I said, be sure you are properly aligned at the key moments.

Being individually concerned about making babies and the trillions of debt seems like a colossal waste of time and energy to me.

Edit to Add: I fully support a depopulated America Future States. It will be extremely difficult and not all will be winners.

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I'm not against de-population per se. I just have little confidence we can recover from it with a state that is desirable. If we do, it will be after much bloodshed and chaos. I do not think I'll be around for that.