I bet you Trump and his team probably have some information you do not, giving them a very valid reason to allow this sale.

It is definitely weird that people are calling these chips "junk" when they most definitely are not. I think if they convince themselves that we are selling China junk it allows them to justify it in their minds.

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From your post, what is being smuggled is

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cutting-edge AI technology

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We are not selling that. We are selling what was cutting-edge technology about a billion years ago (in tech years).

US News

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U.S. President Donald Trump's move to allow exports to China of Nvidia's second-best artificial intelligence chip, the H200, will spur strong demand from the country's tech giants, research institutes, and its defence-industrial complex.

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So, Trump will let NVIDA (an American company) dump it's old tech on China, profit billions, and fun the next generation.

And folks here think this is somehow bad. They would probably ***** about him selling bows and arrows to them also.

I don't know dick about tech, but this seems like a big win. Wait til China says, no thanks.

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You should have kept reading the entire DOJ press release to see what they pleaded guilty to smuggling.

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According to court documents, Alan Hao Hsu, also known as Haochun Hsu, 43, of Missouri City, Texas, and his company, Hao Global LLC, both pleaded guilty to smuggling and unlawful export activities on Oct. 10, 2025. According to now unsealed court documents, between October 2024 and May 2025, Hsu and others knowingly exported and attempted to export at least $160 million worth of export-controlled Nvidia H100 and H200 Tensor Core graphic processing units (GPUs).

The H100 and H200 are high-speed GPUs used for AI applications and high-performance computing. They are designed to process massive amounts of data, advancing generative AI and large language models and accelerating scientific computing. These GPUs are used for both civilian and military applications.

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Why would I care what they are smuggling? What we are SELLING is older tech. Tech nobody wants any more.

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Again - you're wrong.

I work in this space for a major AI manufacturer. I assure you enough customers want new H200 cards that they have months long lead times in some configurations.

That tells me plenty of organizations not on the ITAR export list still want this tech. There's absolutely zero need to sell these to China.

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LOL, if you work in this space, you would know the fact that this is a race is why demand for an older tech chip is the reason. Sure, there are still alot of orders, but there is more demand for Blackwell. It's just that these can't be produced as fast, thus folks are settling for junk so they are not sitting.

When these companies upgrade to Blackwell, they will greatly outperform China. Notice that Blackwell still can't be sold to China.

Oh, and China probably isn't going to buy H200's. They are smuggling in Blackwell and will try to copy that instead.

DeepSeek Reportedly Acquires Banned Nvidia Blackwell Chips as DOJ Busts $160M Smuggling Ring

They don't want something that will put them right back at a disadvantage in a year or so.

If you want to take a deep dive into chip smuggling and other shady dealings surrounding China, Gamers Nexus made a 3.5 hour documentary where Steve travels around and talks to some of the players and smugglers. It is long but very interesting.

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It is definitely weird that people are calling these chips "junk" when they most definitely are not. I think if they convince themselves that we are selling China junk it allows them to justify it in their minds.

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Yeah, whenever I point out that China isn't exactly the Congo everybody wants it to be, I get accused of being a closet commie. Because, apparently, "paying attention" = "acolyte."

Great to be on @Bannons_WarRoom today discussing the risks of exporting AI chips to China. pic.twitter.com/VJKtm6qOky

— Chris McGuire (@ChrisRMcGuire) December 10, 2025

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Interestingly, someone in Sugar Land just plead guilty to selling AI chips to China. He ran a dummy corporation for 10+years that did nothing but then suddenly bought $160MM worth of chips to send to China.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2025/12/08/sugar-land-man-pleads-guilty-to-smuggling-ai-computer-chips-to-china-first-case-of-its-kind/

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Life imprisonment.

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It is definitely weird that people are calling these chips "junk" when they most definitely are not. I think if they convince themselves that we are selling China junk it allows them to justify it in their minds.

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Calling them junk is definitely conflating the issue. Older tech yes. Question I have is are these chips months or years behind the latest techs?
I still would not be selling them to China based on the information I have seen.