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Most women are content with;
-****ing the same top 1% men, when they know they are not monogamous. This is the Trust Funds, athletes, famous, influencers, etc.
-Living vicariously through social media
-Doom scrolling on TikTok
-Getting sexual pleasure from porn and vibrators
-Banging black dudes who will make the children fatherless

To add, insert feminism and the subsequent "girl-boss" message they were brainwashed for a generation.
That's how we got here.

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They arent content. They are wildly unsatisfied. Id look at voting tendencies to show their high levels of insecurity.

They want to be known. They want to have a source of protection. They want to have someone that provides for them. They want their beauty acknowledged. They want someone who will elevate them. (Note men want this to, but from their creator, Christ).

texagbeliever said:

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suburban cowboy said:

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Most women are content with;
-****ing the same top 1% men, when they know they are not monogamous. This is the Trust Funds, athletes, famous, influencers, etc.
-Living vicariously through social media
-Doom scrolling on TikTok
-Getting sexual pleasure from porn and vibrators
-Banging black dudes who will make the children fatherless

To add, insert feminism and the subsequent "girl-boss" message they were brainwashed for a generation.
That's how we got here.

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They arent content. They are wildly unsatisfied. Id look at voting tendencies to show their high levels of insecurity.

They want to be known. They want to have a source of protection. They want to have someone that provides for them. They want their beauty acknowledged. They want someone who will elevate them. (Note men want this to, but from their creator, Christ).

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Yes, even after this women are NOT content. Why not? Because it goes against their basic nature. Women today try to behave like men and it does not agree with millions of years of evolution. Most women still enjoy being complemented for their looks like they did 100s of years ago but modern society (read ugly fat angry women) tells them that it is sexual harassment.

I believe the downfall started when women were pushed into man areas like corp jobs at a mass scale. They liked some parts, hated many parts but now are stuck for status and financial reasons.

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Cultures can be judged only if one believes in absolute truth.

Put another way, how well of a job does the culture do to reward good and punish bad.
Good: Sacrafice, selflessness, perseverance, respect, beauty (physical, arts, music, etc), valuing human life, valuijg the uniquness of life and valuing human relationships.
Bad: selfish, individualism, pride, destroy beauty, and greed.

It can be succinctly described as cultures that recieve and express love with repect. Those that do it better, are better. Typically those that dont use some sort of arbitrary authority (race, skin tone, male/female) to mistreat others.

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I would argue that you can judge a culture based on individual freedom. That's pretty much the basis of modern Western Civilization. It's the reason for our limited form of government, and it offers the best outcomes for most people. There is a need for social norms, mostly based around the boundaries of where individuals use freedoms to infringe on others. In an ideal society, the norms are informed and influenced by Judeo-Christian values.

Freedom is one i should have added. Thank you.

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texagbeliever said:

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Cultures can be judged only if one believes in absolute truth.

Put another way, how well of a job does the culture do to reward good and punish bad.
Good: Sacrafice, selflessness, perseverance, respect, beauty (physical, arts, music, etc), valuing human life, valuijg the uniquness of life and valuing human relationships.
Bad: selfish, individualism, pride, destroy beauty, and greed.

It can be succinctly described as cultures that recieve and express love with repect. Those that do it better, are better. Typically those that dont use some sort of arbitrary authority (race, skin tone, male/female) to mistreat others.

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I would argue that you can judge a culture based on individual freedom. That's pretty much the basis of modern Western Civilization. It's the reason for our limited form of government, and it offers the best outcomes for most people. There is a need for social norms, mostly based around the boundaries of where individuals use freedoms to infringe on others. In an ideal society, the norms are informed and influenced by Judeo-Christian values.

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What does "individual freedom" mean to you? Give me an example.
I don't see much different between us and some Islamic countries. Yes, they will behead you, here we don't do that, but there is retribution so people prefer to stay silent in both cases. People like to say "There is freedom of speech but that does not mean there is freedom from consequences". Umm same as Saudi Arabia then.

That is like saying it is the same thing to send your kid to timeout and beating them with a cane pole. Both are technically punishments sure, but they are not comparable at all.

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That is like saying it is the same thing to send your kid to timeout and beating them with a cane pole. Both are technically punishments sure, but they are not comparable at all.

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Ok. So then give me an example of freedom of speech in the US. Sure, I won't get beheaded but everything else will happen.

Yeah someone who cant see how one has an incredible leeway to say many things cant be reasoned with. No offense but you are bordering on paranoia with that mindset.

Point of Order

I'd like to interject into this discussion a female perspective. Yes, I am female, pasty white, married a long time, with 2 kids who has worked in a male dominated industry for 25 years. 20 years working with C-suite executives--including many of the titans of industry you guys discuss or who frequent the business news channels you watch.

No, women have not been gifted anything--in business, industry, education. I'm happy to sit down with anyone and walk through the systemic friction women face at the highest of levels.

I wanted more kids, but I almost died twice with both of my kids. High risk pregnancies, hospital bedrest, many miscarriages. I don't think my career or even age caused it as I started procreating at a relatively early age. I'm just the type of woman who would have definitely died in childbirth or at first conception 70+ years ago. Procreation ain't easy. Today, my related medical bills would be crushing. Cheers to those who are blessed and able to create more children.

Marriage is complicated and difficult. It's a partnership, and delegation of tasks to keep heads afloat. A one size fits all approach to roles, jobs, tasks is counterproductive. I agree there is a benefit to telling our kids that meeting and marrying a well matched spouse early in life has distinct advantages. I tell my kids this. The key is "well-matched" spouse. I've told my kids I'd welcome grandkids tomorrow and would be there to support them (with time, emotional support and money if need be) in raising any child tomorrow.

On the white replacement fear mongering. I have three cousins married to hispanic (Mexican/Peru heritage) spouses. I have a cousin married to a black (Caribbean background) woman. Adopted cousin is not white but married white. Lots of kids in all unions. I have a lot of cousins and this represents 5-10% of cousins? Daughter's boyfriend is not white. I don't feel replaced.

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No, women have not been gifted anything--in business, industry, education. I'm happy to sit down with anyone and walk through the systemic friction women face at the highest of levels.

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Hard eye roll!

I'm sorry I dozed off early into reading that. Can you provide a synopsis?

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Yeah someone who cant see how one has an incredible leeway to say many things cant be reasoned with. No offense but you are bordering on paranoia with that mindset.

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So in other words, you have no answer, and decide to personally attack me in response.

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Point of Order

I'd like to interject into this discussion a female perspective. Yes, I am female, pasty white, married a long time, with 2 kids who has worked in a male dominated industry for 25 years. 20 years working with C-suite executives--including many of the titans of industry you guys discuss or who frequent the business news channels you watch.

No, women have not been gifted anything--in business, industry, education. I'm happy to sit down with anyone and walk through the systemic friction women face at the highest of levels.

I wanted more kids, but I almost died twice with both of my kids. High risk pregnancies, hospital bedrest, many miscarriages. I don't think my career or even age caused it as I started procreating at a relatively early age. I'm just the type of woman who would have definitely died in childbirth or at first conception 70+ years ago. Procreation ain't easy. Today, my related medical bills would be crushing. Cheers to those who are blessed and able to create more children.

Marriage is complicated and difficult. It's a partnership, and delegation of tasks to keep heads afloat. A one size fits all approach to roles, jobs, tasks is counterproductive. I agree there is a benefit to telling our kids that meeting and marrying a well matched spouse early in life has distinct advantages. I tell my kids this. The key is "well-matched" spouse. I've told my kids I'd welcome grandkids tomorrow and would be there to support them (with time, emotional support and money if need be) in raising any child tomorrow.

On the white replacement fear mongering. I have three cousins married to hispanic (Mexican/Peru heritage) spouses. I have a cousin married to a black (Caribbean background) woman. Adopted cousin is not white but married white. Lots of kids in all unions. I have a lot of cousins and this represents 5-10% of cousins? Daughter's boyfriend is not white. I don't feel replaced.

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Women are gifted stuff all the time today. I don't know when it started because you may have missed the freebie boat yourself.

Women get a leg up for top school admits. There are organizations like "Girls who code" and "women in tech" to push for more woman representation in companies. In other words, quotas. Until recently every company I worked at gloated about how many women there were in higher positions.

I don't know if you sons or daughters but if you have sons, you will see it. Earlier this year, the dad of my son's female classmate told me that saw girls had an easier time getting internships but the boys had to struggle more.

Even my wife thinks like you, and I am tired of explaining things to her because she will never experience life as a man. No one cares about men. No one.

It's a war on men.

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I'm sorry I dozed off early into reading that. Can you provide a synopsis?

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Here you go:

"Girls don't get an easy ride. They struggle as hard as men."

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Women get a leg up for top school admits.

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This is empirically false. At least before the recent loss of affirmative action, men benefitted greatly from attempts to keep classes 50/50 split. The reason-- on average boys develop slower and modern K-12 education benefits girls. The boys catch up, but the competitiveness of college admissions (at least on paper) puts males as a whole at a disadvantage. If you admit blindly for grades, rank, scores-- colleges will be overweighted females. The red-shirting boys in Kindergarten helps this.

Celebrating women in leadership or sponsoring "women who code" does not mean men lost fair roles or opportunity to code. Look around and dig deeper. You are being facially offended.

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This is empirically false. At least before the recent loss of affirmative action, men benefitted greatly from attempts to keep classes 50/50 split. The reason-- on average boys develop slower and modern K-12 education benefits girls. The boys catch up, but the competitiveness of college admissions (at least on paper) puts males as a whole at a disadvantage. If you admit blindly for grades, rank, scores-- colleges will be overweighted females. The red-shirting boys in Kindergarten helps this.

Celebrating women in leadership or sponsoring "women who code" does not mean men lost fair roles or opportunity to code. Look around and dig deeper. You are being facially offended.

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Boy's "disadvantage" in competitiveness probably has much more to do with admissions policies and devaluing test scores than developing slower.

Not to mention that school decreases the learning appetite for boys. Sitting in a classroom 7 hours a day. Can't be loud. Sit still. Be agreeable. It is a testament to human intellectual curiosity that as many boys make it to college as they do.

93Marine- I welcome the opportunity to read different research, but I don't think SAT and ACT scores are favor men or women overall. High school grades favor women due to girls having more executive management skills earlier in life--i.e., turning in the homework, organizing tasks.

Infiniti- Cheers to your wife, marriage is hard. We all have it hard right now. Guys and gals. Nothing is easy. Claiming a war on men may make you feel better but it is not helping the situation.

In addition to the voices that advocate for traditional white christian based gender roles from 80+ years ago, I'd suggest following some of the work by Scott Galloway and Ricard V. Reeves. They both have a lot of thoughts on how society has ignored the unique needs and role of men. Lots of food for thought.

Did you raise a girl and a boy? As someone with a young adult boy and girl, I look back at how much of my parenting edits influenced and had no influence. Comparing the cognitive, educational, social and executive skills of both of my kids has been interesting. I apologize to my son all the time for not red-shirting him. He's found his groove in college, but missed opportunities in high school for sure--and didn't get into his first choice colleges as a result.

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Not to mention that school decreases the learning appetite for boys. Sitting in a classroom 7 hours a day. Can't be loud. Sit still. Be agreeable. It is a testament to human intellectual curiosity that as many boys make it to college as they do.

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Yes, and most school teachers are women, and they try to change make behavior to female. So sit still and listen and agree with the group is female behavior. If someone has a different view on how to solve a problem, he may run into trouble as he is not agreeing with the group.

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93Marine- I welcome the opportunity to read different research, but I don't think SAT and ACT scores are favor men or women overall. High school grades favor women due to girls having more executive management skills earlier in life--i.e., turning in the homework, organizing tasks.

Infiniti- Cheers to your wife, marriage is hard. We all have it hard right now. Guys and gals. Nothing is easy. Claiming a war on men may make you feel better but it is not helping the situation.

In addition to the voices that advocate for traditional white christian based gender roles from 80+ years ago, I'd suggest following some of the work by Scott Galloway and Ricard V. Reeves. They both have a lot of thoughts on how society has ignored the unique needs and role of men. Lots of food for thought.

Did you raise a girl and a boy? As someone with a young adult boy and girl, I look back at how much of my parenting edits influenced and had no influence. Comparing the cognitive, educational, social and executive skills of both of my kids has been interesting. I apologize to my son all the time for not red-shirting him. He's found his groove in college, but missed opportunities in high school for sure--and didn't get into his first choice colleges as a result.

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Infiniti is the car. I am Infinity (as is unending!). :-)

My wife has done well but she has leaned a lot on me and does not acknowledge it. Why? Who knows. For example, she did not have a good Bachelors degree, I paid for her Masters degree in a good field with my money (when I was making a paltry amount) that she is in now. I drove her to and picked her up from school every day as we just had 1 car. Then I bought a new 2002 Ford Focus for her so she could use that. I also guided her on how to negotiate offers. But I have never heard any word of appreciation, which is all that men need. I don't need gifts or money or anything.

Most women I know have similar stories. They lean on daddy or hubby or boyfriend, stand on their shoulders and reach for the stars. Then they forget the ladder and sometimes kick it away.

I have a boy and a girl. With the boy's college, he had a stellar profile but got into only 1 top 10 school in his field. His close male friend who had a comparable profile didn't even get that, he had to settle for 10-15 and was depressed for months. His girlfriend got into the same school my son got into and then dumped him because he was not of her status, whatever that meant. Their female classmates with similar profiles all got multiple top 10 admits and had the luxury to pick and choose. Hmm should I go to UCBerkeley or should I accept CMU? I also like Columbia and I hope GeorgiaTech takes me off the waitlist. Its very unfair.

My daughter is applying to college now and sadly she has an inferior profile. If she had my son's profile, she would get a good number of Top 10 schools. Things are also easier for her with reduced international students. Oh well. I am trying my best to guide her through. She was up until 4:30am preparing for a Math test today.

Same situation with internships, girls get called for all the coveted ones in trading applications. There are about 3-4 girls to 1 boy.

At work I've seen a good number of women who are clearly DEI hires. Just like some are hired based on race. You can just tell.

Boys are left out in the cold by society.

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High school grades favor women due to girls having more executive management skills earlier in life--i.e., turning in the homework, organizing tasks.

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My personal experience is the opposite. My son was very diligent and I did not have to micromanage him. Daughter? Even in her senior year, she was skipping some homework "because I had a math test that day". Okay, did you turn it in the next day? "ummm no". But I get you are saying for the entire population and may be right.

Infinity- We are also entering a demographic dip that colleges have been preparing for--less competition. People did not have kids during the global financial crisis. That will help your daughter. Good luck to her.

Finally- college admissions are imprecise processes. Any "fix" has an upside and a downside. I despised the process with my kids and nieces and nephews. I've seen girls and guys get a raw deal. Covid years applications were a mess. The essays are a quagmire. Role of legacies and athletics. I can't think of a truly fair solution. Only potentially less bad tweaks, but each with its own draw backs and counterweights.

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Infinity- We are also entering a demographic dip that colleges have been preparing for--less competition. People did not have kids during the global financial crisis. That will help your daughter. Good luck to her.

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I hope so, thank you.
My son just got a reject from a (first) job he wanted and had prepared hard for and several rounds of interview, all which went well. He was sure he would get it. Then... a reject. He's been terribly depressed and cried a little bit today. He's done many interviews this semester with nothing to show. All his batch-mates are in the same situation. Next year may be better with reduced H1B pressure. I told him to take a break from his prep, clear out his mind, go play some basketball and then come back refreshed.

It's hard being a parent. But life is a journey full of experiences and I wouldn't have it any other way.

I most definitely was not put on this Earth to subsidize a baby momma's lifestyle, thanks. I'll die alone before doing that crap.

White women for the most part are very naive with a tender heart. More of them every year just don't want to give birth to a baby, much less for a white one.
They do like their dogs.

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White women for the most part are very naive with a tender heart. More of them every year just don't want to give birth to a baby, much less for a white one.
They do like their dogs.

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As a white man, there is a segment of the white race that straight up sickens me. Their caustic empathy will bring the rest of us all down with them.

As MLK said (paraphrasing), the white female liberal is a grave danger to our country.

The whitey drop in population started in the 60s about the time we ended segregation of the white neighborhoods. The poor white neighborhoods scattered during the white flight era unlike the wealthy ones that just moved into affluent suburbs.

Man, I feel like we are over analyzing the hell out of this.

By merely using my eyes, I can see that Islamic and black cultures are inherently inferior. We can argue about why that is, of which there are a multitude of books on the topic, but at the end of the of the day they are inferior.

And like Tom Fox said, I'm looking at this from a population level and not an individual level.

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Man, I feel like we are over analyzing the hell out of this.

By merely using my eyes, I can see that Islamic and black cultures are inherently inferior. We can argue about why that is, of which there are a multitude of books on the topic, but at the end of the of the day they are inferior.

And like Tom Fox said, I'm looking at this from a population level and not an individual level.

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My final take is there is no such thing as superior or inferior culture. It is all a result of environment and surroundings. A white person and black person will behave exactly the same way given the same environment and situation. We are all human after all, nothing different between peoples. The reason why America is amazing is because of the time in history and they were building something from ground up so they did it well. Europeans also enslaved the entire world at some point based on race and religion.

So ultimately no one is better or worse at the basic level. What makes us different are the layers on top like environment.

Nothing more to discuss.

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Man, I feel like we are over analyzing the hell out of this.

By merely using my eyes, I can see that Islamic and black cultures are inherently inferior. We can argue about why that is, of which there are a multitude of books on the topic, but at the end of the of the day they are inferior.

And like Tom Fox said, I'm looking at this from a population level and not an individual level.

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My final take is there is no such thing as superior or inferior culture. It is all a result of environment and surroundings. A white person and black person will behave exactly the same way given the same environment and situation. We are all human after all, nothing different between peoples. The reason why America is amazing is because of the time in history and they were building something from ground up so they did it well. Europeans also enslaved the entire world at some point based on race and religion.

So ultimately no one is better or worse at the basic level. What makes us different are the layers on top like environment.

Nothing more to discuss.

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Both my examples prove you wrong though. You've said so yourself especially with Muslims. You can put them in whatever optimal environment you can dream up and once they get to a certain scale they start destroying within. See Europe. See Minnesota.

Both these groups have the same environments that whites do in this country and in Europe, but at a large scale they continue to sabotage themselves over and over in the case of blacks and/or actively foment oppression and violence when it comes to Muslims. The former celebrates the worst of their culture and the latter has it actually baked into their DNA and religious decree.

Until they decide to change their ways, they are inferior cultures and it's frankly not debatable. In that regard, there is nothing more to discuss.

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Man, I feel like we are over analyzing the hell out of this.

By merely using my eyes, I can see that Islamic and black cultures are inherently inferior. We can argue about why that is, of which there are a multitude of books on the topic, but at the end of the of the day they are inferior.

And like Tom Fox said, I'm looking at this from a population level and not an individual level.

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My final take is there is no such thing as superior or inferior culture. It is all a result of environment and surroundings. A white person and black person will behave exactly the same way given the same environment and situation. We are all human after all, nothing different between peoples. The reason why America is amazing is because of the time in history and they were building something from ground up so they did it well. Europeans also enslaved the entire world at some point based on race and religion.

So ultimately no one is better or worse at the basic level. What makes us different are the layers on top like environment.

Nothing more to discuss.

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Both my examples prove you wrong though. You've said so yourself especially with Muslims. You can put them in whatever optimal environment you can dream up and once they get to a certain scale they start destroying within. See Europe. See Minnesota.

Both these groups have the same environments that whites do in this country and in Europe, but at a large scale they continue to sabotage themselves over and over in the case of blacks and/or actively foment oppression and violence when it comes to Muslims. The former celebrates the worst of their culture and the latter has it actually baked into their DNA and religious decree.

Until they decide to change their ways, they are inferior cultures and it's frankly not debatable. In that regard, there is nothing more to discuss.

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I guess it depends on what we mean by culture. Is white a culture? It is a race. Is Muslim/Islam a culture? it is a religion.I think we may be mixing things up.

I think you mean race.

I don't think there is anything in the DNA. It is all the same. Muslim people are subject to tremendous brainwashing from their childhood (surroundings) which makes them radioactive. If you race a muslim baby in a healthy env and do not bring him near Islam then he will turn out okay.

Blacks carry a tremendous amount of historical baggage and victimhood today. One might argue that white people are responsible from 'breaking' their way of life and causing this disruption by bringing them here as slaves and now saying they are lazy and whatever else. If you picked out a black baby from Africa and sent him to China, he would probably end up at Harvard researching AI.

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Man, I feel like we are over analyzing the hell out of this.

By merely using my eyes, I can see that Islamic and black cultures are inherently inferior. We can argue about why that is, of which there are a multitude of books on the topic, but at the end of the of the day they are inferior.

And like Tom Fox said, I'm looking at this from a population level and not an individual level.

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My final take is there is no such thing as superior or inferior culture. It is all a result of environment and surroundings. A white person and black person will behave exactly the same way given the same environment and situation. We are all human after all, nothing different between peoples. The reason why America is amazing is because of the time in history and they were building something from ground up so they did it well. Europeans also enslaved the entire world at some point based on race and religion.

So ultimately no one is better or worse at the basic level. What makes us different are the layers on top like environment.

Nothing more to discuss.

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That there is "nothing more to discuss" is incorrect, because what keyed there is precisely what we were raised to believe from the last half of the 20th Century. What is never dealt with is-- what if that was wrong? Or a deception. However, what is now causing issues is it is never clearly explained or honestly discussed what real differences may exist, and if there ever was something to any of it. If that presumption above is wrong (and would prefer to believe it is true) and there are aggregates that are default subpar, then this becomes pretty critical. You might relate better to it if you realize given your statements about women, it might be a lot like the assumption there is equivalent fitness for all the same roles there, such as the voting often cited.

We need to decide if such a thing as race exists, and if it does, why is it denied, or if doesn't as Morgan Freeman so well put it, stop talking about it.

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Man, I feel like we are over analyzing the hell out of this.

By merely using my eyes, I can see that Islamic and black cultures are inherently inferior. We can argue about why that is, of which there are a multitude of books on the topic, but at the end of the of the day they are inferior.

And like Tom Fox said, I'm looking at this from a population level and not an individual level.

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My final take is there is no such thing as superior or inferior culture. It is all a result of environment and surroundings. A white person and black person will behave exactly the same way given the same environment and situation. We are all human after all, nothing different between peoples. The reason why America is amazing is because of the time in history and they were building something from ground up so they did it well. Europeans also enslaved the entire world at some point based on race and religion.

So ultimately no one is better or worse at the basic level. What makes us different are the layers on top like environment.

Nothing more to discuss.

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That there is "nothing more to discuss" is incorrect, because what keyed there is precisely what we were raised to believe from the last half of the 20th Century. What is never dealt with is-- what if that was wrong? Or a deception. However, what is now causing issues is it is never clearly explained or honestly discussed what real differences may exist, and if there ever was something to any of it. If that presumption above is wrong (and would prefer to believe it is true) and there are aggregates that are default subpar, then this becomes pretty critical. You might relate better to it if you realize given your statements about women, it might be a lot like the assumption there is equivalent fitness for all the same roles there, such as the voting often cited.

We need to decide if such a thing as race exists, and if it does, why is it denied, or if doesn't as Morgan Freeman so well put it, stop talking about it.

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I have no problem if someone proves somehow that one is better or worse than the other. I won't get offended either way. But I don't see definitive proof. One can easily argue in either direction.

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Man, I feel like we are over analyzing the hell out of this.

By merely using my eyes, I can see that Islamic and black cultures are inherently inferior. We can argue about why that is, of which there are a multitude of books on the topic, but at the end of the of the day they are inferior.

And like Tom Fox said, I'm looking at this from a population level and not an individual level.

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My final take is there is no such thing as superior or inferior culture. It is all a result of environment and surroundings. A white person and black person will behave exactly the same way given the same environment and situation. We are all human after all, nothing different between peoples. The reason why America is amazing is because of the time in history and they were building something from ground up so they did it well. Europeans also enslaved the entire world at some point based on race and religion.

So ultimately no one is better or worse at the basic level. What makes us different are the layers on top like environment.

Nothing more to discuss.

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Look at the difference between Chick Fil A and mostly any other fast food restaurant. The distinction in quality of product and profitability is easy to see. Just like the cultural differences of the companies.