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Pookers said:

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My son just interviewed with Palantir. Haven't heard back yet. Hope he gets a call for the next round.

I hope they won't decide it is better to hire some H1B scumbags from India instead "just because they are cheap".

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Palantir will go down in history as one of the largest bad guys around, your son should look elsewhere IMO.

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Every US company is like this. Thanks to trash CEOs and trash American corporate culture. I am very sad to say as I have seen better days for our corporate culture. Now everyone is afraid of getting laid off every day. How can anyone be innovative anymore? CYA culture has skyrocketed.

Palantir is a big name right now. Even if he works there a year or so, he can always switch to something else. No one works in any company beyond 2 years anymore.

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Palantir is particularly dangerous though as they specialize in AI monitoring of target groups of people (Lavender). Theil is a whackjob and anybody who supports the implementation of these systems is naive at best.

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Maybe the largest slippery slope in our lifetime and neither is a good option. US police state through Palantir or losing the AI war to China? Feels like a no-win situation for the US civilian.

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I think we already know civilization is on a death spiral.

I'm just interested to see which End of the World scenario gets us first.

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infinity ag said:

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Pookers said:

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infinity ag said:

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My son just interviewed with Palantir. Haven't heard back yet. Hope he gets a call for the next round.

I hope they won't decide it is better to hire some H1B scumbags from India instead "just because they are cheap".

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Palantir will go down in history as one of the largest bad guys around, your son should look elsewhere IMO.

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Every US company is like this. Thanks to trash CEOs and trash American corporate culture. I am very sad to say as I have seen better days for our corporate culture. Now everyone is afraid of getting laid off every day. How can anyone be innovative anymore? CYA culture has skyrocketed.

Palantir is a big name right now. Even if he works there a year or so, he can always switch to something else. No one works in any company beyond 2 years anymore.

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Palantir is particularly dangerous though as they specialize in AI monitoring of target groups of people (Lavender). Theil is a whackjob and anybody who supports the implementation of these systems is naive at best.

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OK. I am not very familiar with them other than their stock which was/is rocketing.
And as my kid is still without a job as he approaches graduation, beggars cannot be choosers thanks to our broken system where foreigners get the top pick in companies and American kids have to join Indian companies to get American jobs.

infinity ag said:

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Pookers said:

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infinity ag said:

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Pookers said:

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infinity ag said:

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My son just interviewed with Palantir. Haven't heard back yet. Hope he gets a call for the next round.

I hope they won't decide it is better to hire some H1B scumbags from India instead "just because they are cheap".

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Palantir will go down in history as one of the largest bad guys around, your son should look elsewhere IMO.

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Every US company is like this. Thanks to trash CEOs and trash American corporate culture. I am very sad to say as I have seen better days for our corporate culture. Now everyone is afraid of getting laid off every day. How can anyone be innovative anymore? CYA culture has skyrocketed.

Palantir is a big name right now. Even if he works there a year or so, he can always switch to something else. No one works in any company beyond 2 years anymore.

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Palantir is particularly dangerous though as they specialize in AI monitoring of target groups of people (Lavender). Theil is a whackjob and anybody who supports the implementation of these systems is naive at best.

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OK. I am not very familiar with them other than their stock which was/is rocketing.
And as my kid is still without a job as he approaches graduation, beggars cannot be choosers thanks to our broken system where foreigners get the top pick in companies and American kids have to join Indian companies to get American jobs.

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If I'm not mistaken, Lavender is a palantir product being deployed in Israel to identify, track, and locate Palestinians, effectively creating target lists. For all of you who may think this is cool, the gooberment always turns its guns on its own citizens and will certainly do so against us.

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Sure easy to say when you stand to gain billions in the process. To show that he is okay with it, why doesn't he release all of his personal info to stand in solidarity with us plebs?

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Everything these CEOs say is just more proof towards my hypothesis that US CEOs (and increasingly foreign) are all disgusting scumbags who just have the goal of enriching themselves at any cost - ethics, morals, nothing, absolutely nothing matters. The moment they cross the line into doing illegal stuff, jail them for 20 years.

When I started this campaign on TA around 2021 or so, I was alone. Now a lot more have joined as they see what goes on in the name of capitalism. CEO bootlicking, while still exists, is not as prevalent.

I hope this becomes a movement and brings about change.

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Losing the AI race/war to China is an extremely dangerous risk. I'm not sure we have to forfeit privacy to do it, but big players on all sides are using vast quantities of public and unencrypted private data to train their AI models.

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He is a socialist, so of course he wants to give up privacy.

There's absolutely nothing altruistic in his drive to beat China to the punch

He doesn't care about actual people

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I listened to part of an interview with him on CNBC a few days ago and he wasn't remotely socialist...in that interview. What I heard from him I agreed with. He came across as pretty honest, frank, and realistic.

I haven't listened to the interview in this one, but I'm not down with anymore privacy intrusion if that's what he's proposing.

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Well, he says he's a socialist. So there's that.

And he flat out says toward the end of that interview posted above that of course you should be worried about surveillance, but if China beats us to the punch, it'll be worse.

So there's also that

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Well, ok then. If he's saying he is I'm not going to dispute it.

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I am so sick of this crap. I know a lot of you don't agree, but this whole AI thing is WAY overblown. We should absolutely not give up anymore privacy or allow any type of government subsidies under the guise of "winning".

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Here's what will happen.

These so called AI companies have spent way more money on infra than they should have. FOMO. Now they won't be able to monetize it. And investors want their money back they will demand bailouts from public money.Our idiot politicians will give it to them "so we can compete with China".

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Latest releases show OpenAI not making money until 2030 and Anthropic in 2028. Anthropic has the better business model because they are focusing on corporate whereas OpenAI is focusing more on general consumers.

Many folks still questioning how OpenAI is going to monetize their model.

AI the biggest bubble of all time?

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I am so sick of this crap. I know a lot of you don't agree, but this whole AI thing is WAY overblown. We should absolutely not give up anymore privacy or allow any type of government subsidies under the guise of "winning".

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AI is likely not overblown and the thought that there is privacy is an illusion. The biggest hidden issue with our world right now is massive inefficiency. The companies that can eliminate those inefficiencies will win and the ones that don't eliminate those inefficiencies will go away. The countries that have the successful companies will be the countries that dominate the world and the ones that do not will be third world countries.

Electricity, computers, Internet and now AI. The world changed with the first three. AI is this era's generational transformational event. The scale is so potentially exponentially significant it could well be under blown.

Edit - I noticed my response has an unintended argumentative tone. My intent was to offer a differing perspective to the opinion in the post.

Interesting article and comments from Anthropic's CEO this week. This is one of those topics where an entity or person playing around with something dangerous who says it will be dangerous and could f* up a lot of stuff should be taken seriously.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anthropic-ai-safety-transparency-60-minutes/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=user/CBSNews#

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To try to get ahead of potential problems and ensure society is prepared, Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei, says the company is working hard to try to predict both the potential benefits and the downsides of AI.

"We're thinking about the economic impacts of AI. We're thinking about the misuse," Amodei said. "We're thinking about losing control of the model."

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Amodei said he believes AI could wipe out half of all entry-level white-collar jobs and spike unemployment within the next five years.

"Without intervention, it's hard to imagine that there won't be some significant job impact there. And my worry is that it will be broad and it'll be faster than what we've seen with previous technology," he said.

Amodei said he's "deeply uncomfortable with these decisions [about AI] being made by a few companies, by a few people."

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AI can be a great tool, but it is also easily misunderstood and misused (as in relying on incorrect outputs, not being used maliciously). It's a close cousin to statistics. "Scientists" use statistics all the time, but the vast majority have a very poor understanding of the basic mechanics and apply it and review it with that poor understanding. They break assumptions left and right, make excuses for breaking assumptions, and basically just roll with whatever their analysis software churns out because, "Hey, it's a computer! It can't be wrong!"

AI is much the same. It's easy to use, but it is even easier to use wrong. It's often wrong and takes a lot of tuning to be useful. It's something where you need to know what you're doing with it and understand enough about the outputs to know if it's misbehaving. AI tools are by and large fancy predictors that have little if any abstract understanding of what they're supposed to be doing. People do. That is a big reason why I don't think it replaces every level workers as much as many believe. Companies will need to hire those positions to train the next generation of mid-level workers to use AI tools and keep them in line.

On a personal note, my kid got into the next round with Palantir. More hectic interviews. I am praying hoping, negotiating/begging God that he gets it. Poor kid has been silently struggling, never complaining like I do. He just works hard so I feel bad that he isn't getting the rewards for 16 years of hard work.

I bet the Palantir CEO isn't talking about his data, though.

1) Karp is not a socialist in the classic sense. Certainly not in the Marxist sense, like you have with the Democratic Sociaists like Mandami.

2) The OP is a complete misinterpretation of what Karp says about winning the battle against AI dominance with China.

If you listen to all of the people that speak on Palantir behalf, they are all very concerned about the best ways to try and keep personal privacy(to the extent governments gain access) bottled up as best as they can. They famously turned down a multibillion dollar contract with the British government because the Brits had no guardrails against personal information intrusion surrounding the contract work they were asking the company to do.

I know this company has become every civil libertarians punching bag, but in my opinion they are not the enemy when it comes to personal privacy. The biggest enemy to American personal information is actually the American Consumer. The second biggest enemy is China.

Quite honestly, we should all hope a company like Palantir wins dominance in this space. Most consumer companies have sold the American consumer down the privacy river. While they are building tools that are very dangerous in this regard. So is a nuclear bomb and an F35 fighter jet. It is absolutely in the American interests to develop the most advanced technology in the world. Full stop. How that technology is used by the government is why leadership matters and why what those leaders believe matters. To say, well I don't trust our leaders to protect my privacy so they shouldn't develop and have access to the most advanced technology, is simply saying, you are fine with the U.S. enemies having better tech than us. That will not end well for us in the future. We actually want the best tech companies that take American civil liberties seriously. The ones that do are the ones we want to win these contracts. They are the only ones that will do their best to develop tech that has safeguards in place. Again, as safe as possible as we the people have already mostly handed over our own personal information to be trafficked to the highest bidders.

I would highly recommend Ross Douthats Interesting Times podcast interview with Palantir CTO. It's enlightening and encapsulates what I've heard from theses guys for many years. I'm not suggesting there isn't a lot to be scared about when it comes to their work and the implications on civil liberty and privacy, but I don't think they are the dangerous ones in this worldwide race toward our high tech future.

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Dude can go **** himself.

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where's Sara Connor when you need her?

He's not a socialist. Not in interviews. Karp is as USA kill all terrorists as it gets.

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On a personal note, my kid got into the next round with Palantir. More hectic interviews. I am praying hoping, negotiating/begging God that he gets it. Poor kid has been silently struggling, never complaining like I do. He just works hard so I feel bad that he isn't getting the rewards for 16 years of hard work.

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Nice. Congrats. Their execution is hopefully something he can learn for his future. Great opportunity for him.

Not even close. This is the 4th supercycle in the last 30!years

Internet. Smart phone. Social media. Cloud/AI.

all of the previous 3 are much larger than were originally expected. Winners won. Losers faded.

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He's not a socialist. Not in interviews. Karp is as USA kill all terrorists as it gets.

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Yeah, see, this is what I thought as well. I've never seen him say anything socialist or claim to be. If he is, he's the most pro USA socialist I've ever seen.

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On a personal note, my kid got into the next round with Palantir. More hectic interviews. I am praying hoping, negotiating/begging God that he gets it. Poor kid has been silently struggling, never complaining like I do. He just works hard so I feel bad that he isn't getting the rewards for 16 years of hard work.

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Nice. Congrats. Their execution is hopefully something he can learn for his future. Great opportunity for him.

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Thanks ... I appreciate it.
It is nice when hard working people get what they deserve and this kid has worked hard and made a lot of sacrifices for years. His 1st round (technical) was on the 10th and he said the question they posed was "not clear" as it was read out rather than posted somewhere and he had to code up the solution or something. A week later, nothing so I had given up but they called on the 19th to move him up. Next round next week and there may be one more round if he makes it.

Seems like a lot. I never had that many out of A&M. I was far more clueless back then but the world was a lot simpler without the H1B hordes ruining it.

I told him to focus on the west coast, not midwest as that is where all the cutting edge work in his field is happening.