My daughter is also very interested in Hillsdale. I might need to look into this University of Austin now…

vic99 said:

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The University of Austin rejects the credentialing cartel.

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Nice!

College, as a whole, like Charlie Kirk promoted, is a scam as it is now.

Not sure that being accredited is all that it's supposed to mean. How many barely functioning 'tards have you met from accredited schools? Metric **** tons.

Daddy said:

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liberal arts school.

so basically an indoctrination dept

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No. The founders are bucking the system and "fighting college censorship culture with a focus on free speech".

There was a piece on 60 Minutes a few weeks ago. Pretty interesting. I know many here wouldn't trust anything CBS News has to say about anything, but I thought their story was pretty un-biased.

UATX says it fights college censorship culture with a focus on free speech | 60 Minutes

Muy said:

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A fool and his money

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Why do you think this is a foolish enterprise for the donation?

I'm telling you, it's impressive to visit UATX.
As opposed to when I took my daughter on an official A&M visit. Tour and all that was great. She grew up going to games with us. We sat in on a pre-law class that was good. We met with the liberal arts advisor...not so much. I'll just say there was so much woke paraphernalia on his desk and shelf, my daughter couldn't get past it. She is being raised right but being interested in a philosophy degree and going to law school has pushed A&M down her list. She says she'll always be an Aggie at heart, but it's too big and just doesn't have what she's looking for.

vic99 said:

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I'm telling you, it's impressive to visit UATX.
As opposed to when I took my daughter on an official A&M visit. Tour and all that was great. She grew up going to games with us. We sat in on a pre-law class that was good. We met with the liberal arts advisor...not so much. I'll just say there was so much woke paraphernalia on his desk and shelf, my daughter couldn't get past it. She is being raised right but being interested in a philosophy degree and going to law school has pushed A&M down her list. She says she'll always be an Aggie at heart, but it's too big and just doesn't have what she's looking for.

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Bold does not compute.





J/K. Congrats to you and your daughter!

Ha! fair enough...mom&dad both have degrees from Dwight Look College of Engineering but she is her own person and considering Hillsdale is her target, I can't really complain about it. We've said if she gets a liberal arts degree, it at least has to be working toward something employable.

Does she have any idea what type of law she wants to practice? A philosophy degree and law degree sounds like she's on the law professor track.

My opinion, as an attorney practicing for over 20 years (which is worth what you're paying for it), is that it's advisable to get an undergrad degree that has some economic value on its own. People going to law school with a philosophy, political science, history, etc degree have to succeed as a lawyer to help their economic prospects. On the other hand, an undergraduate business or science degree allows them the option to pursue another career if they decide they don't actually like the rigors of practicing law (which is the case for many lawyers), and certainly helps in the practical application of their law degree depending on their ultimate practice area. Just my $0.02.

This is a model that is going to compete against traditional Universities more and more, I think.

At this point, the high price of College is simply a transfer payment to education administrators.

The cost of delivering a high-quality education with today's technology is not that high. How much of A&M's total budget do you think goes to paying instructors / teaching professors? I would bet it is about 10%.

Great advice! Thanks. She doesn't. At this point, I'm just happy I've got her looking beyond just a philosophy degree. She goes to a classical education charter school, 4 years of Latin, loves philosophy and seminar style classes, and is getting into politics a bit so who knows what she'll end up doing.

vic99 said:

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Ha! fair enough...mom&dad both have degrees from Dwight Look College of Engineering but she is her own person and considering Hillsdale is her target, I can't really complain about it. We've said if she gets a liberal arts degree, it at least has to be working toward something employable.

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I don't think its called the Dwight Look College of Engineering anymore

If people paid tuition for the true value it was worth tu would be free.

Daddy said:

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liberal arts school.

so basically an indoctrination dept

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Read the founders' names and spend 5 minutes to learn who they are

"liberals arts" in the strict sense of classical liberalism, not Progressivism.

And this will absolutely fail unless it's so conservative and rigorous that it keeps out the "gimme" professional student crowd.

I bet it does a good job for a while until a lefty worms their way into running things. Then it'll quickly become the same slop of most higher ed.

Visited Hillsdale this past weekend with my daughter...very impressive. Despite the distance and cost, I'm guessing she's going to end up there. We have the next 4 weeks to convince them to provide more assistance. UATX has been pursuing her a bit recently and we're going to a guest speaker event in April there. Should be interesting.

If I were looking at colleges today, Hillsdale would be my first choice. Its not a fit for my two sons based upon the majors they offer, but I would love it personally.

Hillsdale is basically if PragerU was a real brick and mortar university. If your kids are wanting to have a career in political science working solely with conservatives, journalism/media science covering conservative issues, or not interested in college at all unless they can be guaranteed not to run into a liberal on campus, it could be worth the money.

Otherwise I'd encourage them to consider somewhere in Texas they can attend for half the cost and end up with connections relevant to their major.

Probably the most disingenuous thing I'll read all day. Well done.

agdoc2001 said:

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Probably the most disingenuous thing I'll read all day. Well done.

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Do you have data supporting that a degree from Hillsdale is twice as valuable as a degree from a state school for a non-politics major, or are you just here to rip a fart and leave?

TxLawDawg said:

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Does she have any idea what type of law she wants to practice? A philosophy degree and law degree sounds like she's on the law professor track.

My opinion, as an attorney practicing for over 20 years (which is worth what you're paying for it), is that it's advisable to get an undergrad degree that has some economic value on its own. People going to law school with a philosophy, political science, history, etc degree have to succeed as a lawyer to help their economic prospects. On the other hand, an undergraduate business or science degree allows them the option to pursue another career if they decide they don't actually like the rigors of practicing law (which is the case for many lawyers), and certainly helps in the practical application of their law degree depending on their ultimate practice area. Just my $0.02.

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I disagree.

First, very few undergrad degrees have any actual economic value, as you put it, on their own. That includes my degree of Econ. Its probably above average, as is Business, but the degrees you mention: philosophy, poliSci, and History have as much or more economic value if you want to be a public/private school teacher, for example. My buddy who graduated with me with a Hist degree had a job before I did and his was better paying. It probably took me 2 full years to catch up. So you're incorrect that those degrees have zero value.

With that said, I don't necessarily advocate them unless you have a plan for using them AND avoid schools/programs where the departments are purely indoctrination centers. In the fields you mentioned, that's difficult, so if that's your point I would tend to agree, but not with the program itself.

Second, you have a much better chance of doing well academically in a field you like and that will ultimately help you get in to Law School (or a so-called "better" law school -- although I think law school is law school, but that's another thread).

Finally, you still have options post undergraduate. Except for fields like engineering where a Bx (BA/BS/BE/etc.) means something, in my view, industry doesn't value the undergraduate education. If I were going to do it again, I would do one of two different things: music undergrad followed by either a MS in Econ then law school, or Joint JD/MBA in law school. The extra year or year and a half would have meant absolutely nothing at the time but a lot going forward. The first 12 hours of graduate Econ is >>>>>>> than 33+ hours of undergraduate (or at least, 24 past the required first 12: principles and intermediate micro/macro).

On a scholarship committee and an applicant had her #1 school as university of Austin. Choosing it over an A&M acceptance too.

Hillsdale is not twice as much as A&M...
For round numbers, let's say it's $50k "list price" including dorm and food plan. She's getting close to $20k (mostly merit, little bit flips from loan to scholly with 3.3 GPA). So, for someone that loves and thrives in classical education environment and wants to pursue law and/or politics and I want her to remain on the conservative path she has chosen...I just need to figure out the rest.
She's been accepted to Hillsdale, Samford, UofDallas, UATX, and TAMU.

vic99 said:

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Hillsdale is not twice as much as A&M...
For round numbers, let's say it's $50k "list price" including dorm and food plan. She's getting close to $20k (mostly merit, little bit flips from loan to scholly with 3.3 GPA). So, for someone that loves and thrives in classical education environment and wants to pursue law and/or politics and I want her to remain on the conservative path she has chosen...I just need to figure out the rest.
She's been accepted to Hillsdale, Samford, UofDallas, UATX, and TAMU.

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All great options! Best of luck to her in choosing her path!