Biden/Garland FBI/DOJ Spied on virtually EVERY conservative org in the US

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Guys, they did it for the sake of Democracy. They were just trying to protect us from the fascists.
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AgNav93 said:

Nothing will change until you lock them up. God forbid Newsone wins in 2028. They will round conservatives up. Some of them have even said it out loud.


See Hillary Clinton. If the former leader of your political party and the most powerful female in politics says it, then we have real totalitarian problem with the Democrats.
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Bob Lee said:

rocky the dog said:




This is great. Lol


I have to admit I don't get it.
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94DCAg said:

This is not "bugging" the right, it is a lawful subpoena for information. No conspiracy here.

So you would have zero issues if, hypothetically speaking, the current president, DOJ and FBI decided that they needed "lawful subpoenas for information" on any and all democrat senators, congressmen, organizations, etc. then?

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schmellba99 said:

94DCAg said:

This is not "bugging" the right, it is a lawful subpoena for information. No conspiracy here.

So you would have zero issues if, hypothetically speaking, the current president, DOJ and FBI decided that they needed "lawful subpoenas for information" on any and all democrat senators, congressmen, organizations, etc. then?

I'm going out on a limb here and saying that you would be screaming from the mountaintops about how illegal such an action would be and how Trump is being a dictator and how rights were trampled on an violated and how the republicans are wiping their ass with the constitution and that we are in a "constitutional crisis" and that "democracy is at stake".

If it weren't for double standards, democrats would have no standards. Their brains can't process the hypocrisy.
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CDUB98 said:



Jan 6 was such a failure for the democrats. They SO wanted a much bigger event to hang this "overthrow an election" narrative that they are still pathetically clinging to. They really should get a clue that the only people buying that nonsense are their operatives and NPC's.
The best way to keep evil men from wielding great power is to not create great power in the first place.

Left wing, right wing...same bird.
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It's a very clever Catholic joke. A Missal is a book that contains the prayers instructions readings of the Mass. . Pre 1960 means that this person is anti Vatican II and therefore a traditionalist Catholic who probably goes to Latin mass. The fbi under biden had memos circulating about infiltrating Catholic churches to spy on traditionalist catholics because they were likely to become terorrists
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WC87 said:

Bob Lee said:

rocky the dog said:




This is great. Lol


I have to admit I don't get it.



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Statement from David Nunes on Biden admin subpoenaing Trump Media bank records:
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"We discovered today from the Senate Judiciary Committee that Trump Media & Technology Group was among the more than 400 Trump-linked individuals and organizations that were spied on as part of Special Counsel Jack Smith's investigation of President Trump--specifically, the Smith team issued a shockingly broad, secret subpoena for our banking records. This is a stunning abuse of power against a private business and our hundreds of thousands of retail investors, especially since Trump Media did not even exist at the time of the events Jack Smith was supposedly investigating. We now need to know what the SEC and J.P. Morgan knew about this blatant malfeasance, when did they know it, and whether anyone leaked our bank records."

Jamey Dimon needs to be in jail for a variety of reasons, but he needs to be tarred and feathered for this cover up.
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It's insane but the fact that they haven't or won't arrest the people behind this... There need to be extensive prosecutions.
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94DCAg said:

This is not "bugging" the right, it is a lawful subpoena for information. No conspiracy here.

Based on newly released information the current DOJ can subpoena prior administration personnel lawfully correct ? No conspiracy there ?
Sooper Jeenyus
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Nothing will happen. Fed gonna fed.

The Republic is lost.
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"We're going to turn this red Prius into a soup kitchen!"
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aezmvp said:

It's insane but the fact that they haven't or won't arrest the people behind this... There need to be extensive prosecutions.

The number 1 job of The System is to protect The System.
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Sooper Jeenyus said:

Nothing will happen. Fed gonna fed.

The Republic is lost.


Don't worry the files are on Bondi's desk
TheEternalOptimist
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One of my personal friends who is a somewhat known streamer (100K followers + on X) has been told by officials she was a target of FBI probes into her banking. She was never notified by her bank, which was ordered NOT to tell customers by the Federal Courts.

This is so disgusting.
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flown-the-coop
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That's what I mean by loose cabal of wealthy / powerful people. There's no membership card but it exists.
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94DCAg said:

This is not "bugging" the right, it is a lawful subpoena for information. No conspiracy here.

Assuming that you are being genuine with that post, ask me how I know that you lack the ability to think critically.

Let's fabricate a dossier that Trump is colluding with Russia. Then leak it to the media. Then use the news reports as substantiating evidence that Trump is colluding with Russia. Then have the DOJ use these to obtain FISA warrants on false pretenses so that the FBI can spy on Trump and those associated with him in an effort to derail his presidential campaign. And then use it to have him impeached if we fail and he wins.

Next, let's concoct a story that Trump is seeking to overturn the 2020 election and is a threat to our socialism, er, democracy. Then use this "threat" as pretense to launch an investigation of Trump, Republican politicians, and conservatives without their knowledge and see what we can dig up...

And you guys call conservatives tyrants, kings, fascists, and Nazis. You should sit this one out, as well as politics and elections, for that matter.
94DCAg
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A few of you demanded I do my research on two items.

1. If this subpoena was so legit/lawful, why did it target an entity that wasn't formed on January 6th?

We may not fully know and appreciate because the investigation was cut short with Trump's election, but it looks like they were trying to understand where all the "Stop the Steal" money that Trump raised from average americans went. Very valid thread to pull. Follow. The. Money.

2. An FBI/Attorney (Clinesmith) who noted that Carter (Russia investigation) was not an FBI source and such information relevant to the surveillance authorizations.

I've since read a number of articles on this point. I come out where the court did, that this was an honest error. In house attorneys know a lot. When dealing with crazy workloads, you often answer a question consistent with your memory at the time. Best practices are to always double check with relevant stakeholder and documentation record. I believe the attorney skipped these best practices, and paid for it. I do not think it was intentional nor a conspiracy.


Continue to ask-- (i) why was this information dumped in dramatic fashion, this week, (ii) Grassley et al knew all this for years, why now? There is no doubt they had this information during the Biden information and soon thereafter, (iii) one thing I know America needs right now is law enforcement to be able to do their job and find facts. What some are calling a big conspiracy against the right is what keeps us safer. You are being manipulated.

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94DCAg said:

A few of you demanded I do my research on two items.

1. If this subpoena was so legit/lawful, why did it target an entity that wasn't formed on January 6th?

We may not fully know and appreciate because the investigation was cut short with Trump's election, but it looks like they were trying to understand where all the "Stop the Steal" money that Trump raised from average americans went. Very valid thread to pull. Follow. The. Money.

2. An FBI/Attorney (Clinesmith) who noted that Carter (Russia investigation) was not an FBI source and such information relevant to the surveillance authorizations.

I've since read a number of articles on this point. I come out where the court did, that this was an honest error. In house attorneys know a lot. When dealing with crazy workloads, you often answer a question consistent with your memory at the time. Best practices are to always double check with relevant stakeholder and documentation record. I believe the attorney skipped these best practices, and paid for it. I do not think it was intentional nor a conspiracy.


Continue to ask-- (i) why was this information dumped in dramatic fashion, this week, (ii) Grassley et al knew all this for years, why now? There is no doubt they had this information during the Biden information and soon thereafter, (iii) one thing I know America needs right now is law enforcement to be able to do their job and find facts. What some are calling a big conspiracy against the right is what keeps us safer. You are being manipulated.



1. That's pretty rich. So orgs formed years after are subject to a subpoena? People donated to Stop the Steal and much of that would have been spent on attorneys and such. Are you saying that Jack Smith needed to follow contributed money in perpetuity as part of an investigation into an event that occurred on Jan 6, 2021? Because that is what Jack Smith was investigating.

2. Way to many "oopsies" and "we could have done better" and "not the best practices" is pure, unadulterated deflections.

Grassley just received information from a whistleblower who provided him copies of the subpoenas he had long asked for.

How was eavesdropping on 400 plus people and organizations through mass approved subpoenas by a corrupt, politically motivated judge keeping us safer?

A DC attorney now residing in Austin is going to inform f16 that they are being manipulated? That doesn't pass the smell test. And that is not intended as a personal jab, I don't know you. But you advertise this in your profile and when discussing political matters its important to understand one's... perspective... and how it may influence their commentary.
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You could have just said, "I admit the Democrat party is corruot to the core and has been committing sedition against the United States."

It's more succinct and would suggest that you grasp what has been happening.
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DCAg94 imparts the purest motives to his side and the worst motives to the other. Then he chides us we are the ones being manipulated.

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sam callahan said:

DCAg94 imparts the purest motives to his side and the worst motives to the other. Then he chides us we are the ones being manipulated.

The reactions of the Left to the events in mid-September should have clarified that for him.
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Why do democrats continue to stonewall and ignore subpoenas? Why do they continue to hide information?

How come all the massive spying is only done by leftists?
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Isn't this the point that concerned moderates chime in and say, "Both sides"?
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94DCAg said:

A few of you demanded I do my research on two items.

1. If this subpoena was so legit/lawful, why did it target an entity that wasn't formed on January 6th?

We may not fully know and appreciate because the investigation was cut short with Trump's election, but it looks like they were trying to understand where all the "Stop the Steal" money that Trump raised from average americans went. Very valid thread to pull. Follow. The. Money.

2. An FBI/Attorney (Clinesmith) who noted that Carter (Russia investigation) was not an FBI source and such information relevant to the surveillance authorizations.

I've since read a number of articles on this point. I come out where the court did, that this was an honest error. In house attorneys know a lot. When dealing with crazy workloads, you often answer a question consistent with your memory at the time. Best practices are to always double check with relevant stakeholder and documentation record. I believe the attorney skipped these best practices, and paid for it. I do not think it was intentional nor a conspiracy.


Continue to ask-- (i) why was this information dumped in dramatic fashion, this week, (ii) Grassley et al knew all this for years, why now? There is no doubt they had this information during the Biden information and soon thereafter, (iii) one thing I know America needs right now is law enforcement to be able to do their job and find facts. What some are calling a big conspiracy against the right is what keeps us safer. You are being manipulated.



start reading about page 185. https://www.justice.gov/archives/media/1381211/dl

If you can read that and view clinesmith's actions as "oopsie," then.... well.

"Clinesmith (i) inquired ofthe other agency, (ii) received a response stating that Page did in fact have a relationship with it during a relevant time period, (iii) altered that response to reflect the opposite, and (iv) sent the altered document to the affiant, which the affiant then relied on in making representations to the FISC."

BASIC summary:
Clinesmith: "We need some clarification on Page. There is an indication that he may be a '[digraph]' source. This is a fact we would need to disclose in our next FISA renewal."

other email: My recollection is that Page was or is "[digraph]" but the [documents] will explain the details

Clinesmith adds when forwarding (and deleting his prior emails): My recollection is that Page was or is "[digraph]" and not a "source" but the [documents] will explain the details

when told everything is good, Clinesmith: "Music to my ears."

yeah...just a dude trying to his darned best. give me a F break. the whole swamp is rotten to the core (edit: any the majority of the fed judiciary, acting like actual kings - unelected and unaccountable).

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An investigation that started in January 2021 was "cut short" by Trump in January 2025?
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Sadly almost half the people in this country see no wrong in the FBI throwing a wide loop to investigate anyone and anything that could be perceived as on The Right
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fredfredunderscorefred said:

94DCAg said:

This is not "bugging" the right, it is a lawful subpoena for information. No conspiracy here.

you might not have heard from your news sources, but fyi dems lie in order to get subpoenas.

District of Connecticut | FBI Attorney Admits Altering Email Used for FISA Application During "Crossfire Hurricane" Investigation | United States Department of Justice

That is one instance. And the corrupt person got probation, should be in prison to this day. I am confident that as the supposed justification for these subpoenas come to light there will be more examples of illegal shenanigans on the part of the DOJ and FBI. Everyone of them will tie directly or indirectly to ****on's bogus lies about Russian collusion.
A lot of people should be going to jail for this crap.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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stetson said:

94DCAg said:

This is not "bugging" the right, it is a lawful subpoena for information. No conspiracy here.

Assuming that you are being genuine with that post, ask me how I know that you lack the ability to think critically.

Let's fabricate a dossier that Trump is colluding with Russia. Then leak it to the media. Then use the news reports as substantiating evidence that Trump is colluding with Russia. Then have the DOJ use these to obtain FISA warrants on false pretenses so that the FBI can spy on Trump and those associated with him in an effort to derail his presidential campaign. And then use it to have him impeached if we fail and he wins.

Next, let's concoct a story that Trump is seeking to overturn the 2020 election and is a threat to our socialism, er, democracy. Then use this "threat" as pretense to launch an investigation of Trump, Republican politicians, and conservatives without their knowledge and see what we can dig up...

And you guys call conservatives tyrants, kings, fascists, and Nazis. You should sit this one out, as well as politics and elections, for that matter.

Thank you. Concise and totally accurate response.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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94DCAg said:

A few of you demanded I do my research on two items.

1. If this subpoena was so legit/lawful, why did it target an entity that wasn't formed on January 6th?

We may not fully know and appreciate because the investigation was cut short with Trump's election, but it looks like they were trying to understand where all the "Stop the Steal" money that Trump raised from average americans went. Very valid thread to pull. Follow. The. Money.

2. An FBI/Attorney (Clinesmith) who noted that Carter (Russia investigation) was not an FBI source and such information relevant to the surveillance authorizations.

I've since read a number of articles on this point. I come out where the court did, that this was an honest error. In house attorneys know a lot. When dealing with crazy workloads, you often answer a question consistent with your memory at the time. Best practices are to always double check with relevant stakeholder and documentation record. I believe the attorney skipped these best practices, and paid for it. I do not think it was intentional nor a conspiracy.


Continue to ask-- (i) why was this information dumped in dramatic fashion, this week, (ii) Grassley et al knew all this for years, why now? There is no doubt they had this information during the Biden information and soon thereafter, (iii) one thing I know America needs right now is law enforcement to be able to do their job and find facts. What some are calling a big conspiracy against the right is what keeps us safer. You are being manipulated.



The sad thing is that you honestly believe such pure hot burning garbage.
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"It was an honest mistake. A clerical error, you see, not a crime. The FBI agent "accidentally" reversed the intent of the email in the complete opposite direction...The government would never lie. You're being manipulated."
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I've since read a number of articles on this point. I come out where the court did, that this was an honest error. In house attorneys know a lot. When dealing with crazy workloads, you often answer a question consistent with your memory at the time. Best practices are to always double check with relevant stakeholder and documentation record. I believe the attorney skipped these best practices, and paid for it. I do not think it was intentional nor a conspiracy.


How exactly did Kevin Clinesmith "accidentally" insert the phrase "and not a source" into a CIA email on Page where no language should have been added? You have to talk yourself into believing that someone could accidentally alter evidentiary documents that are supposed to be included as unaltered sources. There's a reason that insurance policies for attorneys and consultants are called "Errors & Omissions" policies instead of "Errors & Additions."

Clineamith's excuse is less believable than the Walter White Breaking Bad "fugue state" ruse.
 
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