I was unsure if there even was a chain of custody procedure for things Biden was the only one who could make such a decision, such as pardons and commutations.

Apparently there was such a paper trail for other things but not for pardons. It was a book with a precis summary of the action, Biden was supposed to write and initial if he approved the action and then it went back to his secretary to complete the paperwork.

According to Comer and friends, that chain of custody was ambiguous or flat out missing for those last minute pardons.

Sadly, Joe probably thought he was in control.

What is not surprising is all his handlers going around saying they had no idea of his decline until the very end, with the media defending them just as it covered for his mental incompetence during the 2020 election. It was all a fraud. But all of us paying attention to the videos of Biden in 2020 and comparing to videos of Senator Biden - we knew he was a vegetable in 2020.

The Supreme Court will soon have to contemplate whether documents signed with his autopen are valid.

And Joe's handlers need to be prosecuted.

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To me, the autopen is a bit of a side show.

The bigger question - for all that time, who was the chief executive of the United States? Don't say Obama - he wasn't at the White House and wasn't involved om the day to day operations of the government.

I'm guessing a committee of Dr. Jill, Ron Klain then Jeff Zients, and Mike Donilon.

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We all new this and were asking it but the media was in the bag and few were getting to the bottom of this or worse, most were running interference and in on it.

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100%

I still recall the strident denials from leftist relatives in 2020

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My father's income was inexorably tied to this series, among others. I was talking ratings, shares, and Q-factors from the far rear seat of a station wagon (windows covered in nicotine from parents who smoked 5-6 packs a day together) before I was 12.

Then I grew up and found that Alan Alda was... :-(

Thanks for the brief flashback!

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My father's income was inexorably tied to this series, among others. I was talking ratings, shares, and Q-factors from the far rear seat of a station wagon (windows covered in nicotine from parents who smoked 5-6 packs a day together) before I was 12.

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Were these people your folks?

Nope, you can tell because no tic-tac-toe or writing on the windows. But it did feel like that. :-)

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I don't think the issue was using autopen, it was that there was concern it was used in the final days without his complete knowledge. However, if his advisors asked "hey can we pardon X,Y, and Z" and he mumbled "ya that's fine" and then used autopen then it's 100% valid. ****ty, but valid.

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Disagree. The autopen is for ceremonial stuff.

Constitution, Article I, Section 7:

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Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated...

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So this isn't legislation and that section doesn't apply, right? Well, if that's true, why the hell were they using the Auto pen in the first place for anything but sending out Biden propaganda pics, sigs, and Christmas cards to donors? Either he needs to sign it, which means he actually has to sign it, or he doesn't, which means don't use the AP in the first place.

Except that previous presidents have used the auto pen to sign legislation, as Obama did with the extension of the patriot act while he was away in France.

The Office of Legal Counsel under the Bush Administration determined it was acceptable for him as well.

https://www.justice.gov/file/494411/dl

And yet this will be almost completely ignored by the MSM.

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I'm kind of in agreement with TeslAg. I don't see how you undo any pardons or EOs without at least a couple of insiders willing to confess and rat out the rest of Biden's aids. How can you prove Biden didn't give the ok on all the autopen actions?

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Virtually impossible to prove and like all these gotchas of the dems, nothing will happen. Very few in DC want anything changed.

Think Obama was the first to use it to sign legislation

Auto pen for correspondence etc- fine
Auto pen for legislation- eh, I get the white house council said its cool, but, I dont think its right

The authority of the autopen is obviously vested in the authority of the president. I think the issue with Biden is that his staff was using the pen despite his obviously failing mental state and capacity, thereby substituting their undue authority for his.

Looks like Bush used it for legislation as well.

EDIT: he was authorized but did not use

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I think the issue with Biden is that his staff was using the pen despite his obviously failing mental state and capacity, thereby substituting their undue authority for his.

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I 100% believe they were doing that as well. The issue is the President is assumed competent unless the 25th is invoked.

I still go back to Mike Pence meeting with Biden asking him why he signed an EO to stop selling LNG to Europe and Biden flatly denied he did until Mike said "I can have your secretary print out the EO and we can read it together."

At that point he said "oh, liquified natural gas, yeah but that was an EO to study the effects of it on the environment." In other words, someone "advised" Biden that it was a study of the effects of LNG when in reality it was stopping all exports of it.

Absolutely criminal what was happening the last 4 years and yet you have liberals telling us Trump is a threat to democracy. GTF out of here with that bulls***.

Most powerful, prosperous nation on the planet. Technology that resembles magic in many cases....and this:

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Water is wet. Biden probably got paid 100M to let Barry run the country the last four years. Do you honestly think kumala spent 1.5B in 100 days??? I hope you're not that naive.

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At the time Biden announced he was running in 2020 I said then he was only running to stop/prevent investigations into his family's crimes. A lot of smoke around Hunter, his brother James, payoffs from Ukraine war, etc.

As far as whether Obama was running the country, I've always felt he was at least heavily involved. He was asked by Colbert whether he wished he could run for a third term and said he would have liked to if someone else would handle the day to day stuff. That's exactly what happened.

Obama bought a house in DC within a mile of the White House (every other President has immediately moved far from DC) that had very extensive computer and communication equipment and Valerie Jarret was working out of there. Why?

After the first Dem debate (an absolute disaster for the party) in 2019, no candidate looked Presidential nor stood out. Somebody with incredible influence gathered them together and said Joe was going to be the guy and the others should start dropping out. This is what happened and the media tried to say it was because Jim Clyburn was now endorsing Biden. Very few people outside of South Carolina even knew who Clyburn was and he certainly did not have that kind of influence.

Connect the dots and it is obvious obama was running at least certain parts of the US government - the parts he was interested in.

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Jill isn't sharp enough to do it.

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Sure she is, she's a Dr in case you haven't heard

It's a fact that the autopen was used without President Vegetable's knowledge and consent.

It's a fact that it was criminal.

It's a fact that absolutely nothing will come of it. They'll be no arrests and none of the actions signed by autopen will be reversed/undone.

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I'm kind of in agreement with TeslAg. I don't see how you undo any pardons or EOs without at least a couple of insiders willing to confess and rat out the rest of Biden's aids. How can you prove Biden didn't give the ok on all the autopen actions?

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If you read through Grassley's report you see the part about several staffers and cabinet members who were wanting to give Biden a cognitive test but were overruled. That would have been the only way all these auto pen signatures could have been nullified, had he been given the test and failed. It would have derailed all they had done. There would have been legal grounds to reverse everything that was auto penned.

What also was interesting was than Hunter's pardon was signed by a live signature unlike the rest of the family. Either Hunter made damn sure dad signed it or he forged it himself, because it was sure a suspicious signature.

First look at the official pardon paperwork, signed yesterday by President Biden, for his son Hunter Biden. (Source: court filings) pic.twitter.com/wTrLVZUes3

— Marshall Cohen (@MarshallCohen) December 2, 2024

Hunter's pardon vs auto pen

Just In: One of Biden's autopen pardons was just arrested for shooting someone in Nebraska!!

These pardons were done in the early morning hours after his staff was aware he wasn't even reviewing them! They are INVALID & need to be reversed NOW!👇 pic.twitter.com/PI74wtJFIN

— Michelle #AmericaFirst (@MichelleRM68) October 30, 2025

The Chickens have come home. I hope this guy's check cleared.