Did you see the bonkers details of the trade deal with Japan??

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shiftyandquick said:

DrEvazanPhD said:

Sounds like a good deal for us. What's OP's issue with it?

This is the kind of "deal" that the Mafia does for "protection."

The small business here (Japan) will resist paying. In fact, they now have a new Prime Minister who is likely to renegotiate or renege.

Moreover, Trump will direct the money to his family and friends. Those that buy his crypto as well.


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What evidence do you have that "Trump will direct the money to his family and friends" other than your own conjecture?
Henriques
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Well we have come full circle with the lunatic left: the criticism of the POTUS and his team for actually doing a good job negotiating a trade deal.

I guess this is what happens when OP, an advocate of the "managed decline" policies of Obama and Biden, confronts a President who puts American success first.
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Rapier108 said:

Urban Ag said:

Rapier108 said:

Urban Ag said:

Japan is probably the only country that doesn't have them but needs nukes.

They could have them in a matter of days or weeks if they want them.

Wouldn't be a surprise if they basically already do. Some assembly still required.

Understood but for some reason I thought there were still treaties in place that limited some of their defense capabilities post surrender. Assuming that has all been wiped away by now?

Their constitution prohibits them from having nuclear weapons, but it can be changed.

While the support for doing so isn't there right now, if China gets aggressive enough, that could change quickly. There are some politicians in Japan who already want to do so.

Japan has the materials, infrastructure, and complete technical ability to build nuclear weapons at will. Their Epsilon rocket can easily be adapted to function as an ICBM and would be very easy to adapt their aircraft to carry nuclear freefall bombs.

I just happen to read an article talking about Japan's military not too long ago. It is true that they haven't changed their constitution since 1947 with regards to their military. They did approve legislative measures that greatly increased their defense capabilities, and then in 2022 approved more that gave them more counter strike options.
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TacosaurusRex said:

Rapier108 said:

Urban Ag said:

Rapier108 said:

Urban Ag said:

Japan is probably the only country that doesn't have them but needs nukes.

They could have them in a matter of days or weeks if they want them.

Wouldn't be a surprise if they basically already do. Some assembly still required.

Understood but for some reason I thought there were still treaties in place that limited some of their defense capabilities post surrender. Assuming that has all been wiped away by now?

Their constitution prohibits them from having nuclear weapons, but it can be changed.

While the support for doing so isn't there right now, if China gets aggressive enough, that could change quickly. There are some politicians in Japan who already want to do so.

Japan has the materials, infrastructure, and complete technical ability to build nuclear weapons at will. Their Epsilon rocket can easily be adapted to function as an ICBM and would be very easy to adapt their aircraft to carry nuclear freefall bombs.

I just happen to read an article talking about Japan's military not too long ago. It is true that they haven't changed their constitution since 1947 with regards to their military. They did approve legislative measures that greatly increased their defense capabilities, and then in 2022 approved more that gave them more counter strike options.

Yes, they are taking small bites at it over time. Incrementally unshackling their capabilities.
Get Off My Lawn
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Japan's demographics are devastating. Still better than committing civilizational suicide by importing mohammedans, but they're entering a population collapse. They need a healthy ally & trading partner. They basically agree to our demands or accelerate into rapid economic collapse.
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shiftyandquick said:

Hoyt Ag said:

shiftyandquick said:

DrEvazanPhD said:

Sounds like a good deal for us. What's OP's issue with it?

This is the kind of "deal" that the Mafia does for "protection."

The small business here (Japan) will resist paying. In fact, they now have a new Prime Minister who is likely to renegotiate or renege.

Moreover, Trump will direct the money to his family and friends. Those that buy his crypto as well.

Please provide proof. Flagged for False Info.

For example, Trump Jr.'s drone company. Just got a huge contract.

It's not Trump Jr's drone company...
BusterAg
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This is a new model of government that seems kindof interesting.

Traditionally, government grants were given out to projects where it was thought that the overall benefit to the economy was greater than the cost of the project. The government would recoup its investment just based on the GDP growth created by the project.

That obviously doesn't work with grants to teach Ugandan toddlers about sex change operations.

Under this type of government, the US government takes an ownership stake in the value of the investment, and whatever cash flow comes with that ownership stake is essentially a tax.

So, what you are doing is directly taxing the company making the investment with US government's money over and above what they would pay in corporate income taxes.

Generally, I like this idea as long as the company that is receiving the grant is putting significant money into the game. For instance, a toll bridge that is going over a river might get 40% of it's funding from the US government for a 40% ownership in the project. The corporate tax on the bridge would be the corporate tax rate on the income of the project +40% extra due to the US ownership.

This is one way to make sure that taxes are spent on something besides, for instance, spending $100 billion on coming up with proposals on how to distribute money to communities to bring broadband internet without ever actually hooking up anyone to the internet. If a private company had to put in $60 billion on that project, you can bet that there would have been something like $1 billion spent on proposals, and $99 billion spent on actual infrastructure.

It is very much a move towards Fascism economically, but it incorporates some flavor of corporate governance into government spending, which might actually be a good thing compared to the situation we have now where a huge portion of tax revenues are just stolen by DC.
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This has much less to do with trade than everyone thinks.

BOJ is literally intervening daily in their currency to keep it from gaining value as their long yields continue to stay elevated.

For those who still don't know how the financial world works, there's a thing called the Yen carry trade. This involves posting collateral to sell the Yen (JPY), then taking the proceeds and funneling it into mostly American equity markets and treasuries. This is what has kept the bond market from tanking. This is what has kept liquidity plentiful in our stock market. This is a huge part of what buys the dip.

And it works. The money they made from naked selling the JPY is now making even more money from a rising American stock market, as well as mostly "safe" in the American "risk-free" asset (bonds) that will always somehow pay original principal back plus an ongoing yield GREATER than the cost of servicing the margin on the carry trade.

Until JPY rises like it did leading into August 2024 and March/April 2025. Because when that happens, all of the sudden the short play on JPY starts LOSING money, and requires significantly more capital calls to service the margin requirement. Sometimes those who are overlevered have to close at a loss. What happens when all the money that has poured into US equities is at risk all of the sudden? They sell equities to service their margin and debt requirements. That's why August 24 and April 25 seemed so crazy so quick. Why it affected every single market in every country. Why it hit commodities, metals, and crypto. Money had to be raised to service the underwater balance. It's called a short squeeze.

And those two instances were barely blips on the radar. The real risk is the JPY rising even higher than that. It would literally tank global markets that are all interlinked with roundabout funds overnight. It would be recession causing, almost instantly, as a big enough loss would wipe money out of existence and there wouldn't be anything left to buy back in.

Back to the main point. Japan is intervening in their currency almost daily, sometimes multiple times a day. They have no choice. If they sell equities and treasuries in mass to make their short carry trade less risky, they tank the global financial market. If JPY rises too much, they go massively underwater and HAVE to sell everything to salvage anything from the carry trade. They have no choice but to continue to expand money supply to keep the music playing.

A deal like this is Trump knowing he has them by the balls. All he has to do is threaten their economy with tariffs and Japanese bonds blow out to the upside, causing JPY to follow. He can tank Japan (and the world) with a tweet. They know this. They have no choice but to cave to his every demand. And all of this money they are giving us.. they've already been funneling it into our markets. This is just him redirecting it to exactly where he thinks it helps US the most.

But it's a dangerous game. One that nobody can ultimately control. One thing goes wrong, and it doesn't matter who you are.. the whole thing unravels. Bye bye global financial market.
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Next thing we know, OP is going to be complaining about Trump overfeeding the koi fish.

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Any word on SNAP benefits?????
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But it's a dangerous game. One that nobody can ultimately control. One thing goes wrong, and it doesn't matter who you are.. the whole thing unravels. Bye bye global financial market.

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Rapier108 said:

Urban Ag said:

Rapier108 said:

Urban Ag said:

Japan is probably the only country that doesn't have them but needs nukes.

They could have them in a matter of days or weeks if they want them.

Wouldn't be a surprise if they basically already do. Some assembly still required.

Understood but for some reason I thought there were still treaties in place that limited some of their defense capabilities post surrender. Assuming that has all been wiped away by now?

Their constitution prohibits them from having nuclear weapons, but it can be changed.

While the support for doing so isn't there right now, if China gets aggressive enough, that could change quickly. There are some politicians in Japan who already want to do so.

Japan has the materials, infrastructure, and complete technical ability to build nuclear weapons at will. Their Epsilon rocket can easily be adapted to function as an ICBM and would be very easy to adapt their aircraft to carry nuclear freefall bombs.

Can you imagine a Japanese-made ICBM?

All lit up with LEDs, bluetooth capable and in 4k.
Hubert J. Farnsworth
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Japan and South Korea may be our best allies in the world. I think there is a real focus shift going on in our foreign affairs. We seem to be shifting away from the European theater and putting more focus on our own hemisphere and the Far East. DeSantis has talked about that in interviews before. I think a strong Japan and South Korea are in our best interest in that regard.
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