nm

Did we hit them yet?

"could come"
"Sources say"

Slow news day

A whole lot of words to say "thoughts and prayers".

💬#Zakharova: We support the leadership of #Venezuela in defending its national sovereignty, taking into account the dynamics of the international & regional situation.

🤝 We stand ready to respond appropriately to the requests of our partners in light of emerging threats. pic.twitter.com/tNYpUw56w3

— MFA Russia 🇷🇺 (@mfa_russia) October 31, 2025

lol. We stand ready 6000 miles away with some 1989 tech and our best vodka.

60 minutes had a segment about US threats of attacking Venezuela last week or 2 weeks ago. Now Trump is going on 60 minutes tomorrow.

53% of Latin Americans say they would support a U.S. military intervention “to depose Nicolás Maduro and his government.” Among the Venezuelan diaspora surveyed, 64% back the action. https://t.co/u3KNi2x4sU

— Faytuks News (@Faytuks) November 1, 2025

96AgGrad said:

---

5Amp said:

---

He is hated by his people and once Trump gives the order, expect a full revolution and his quick demise.

---

Didn't we say the same thing about Iraq and Saddam?

---

True, but even down to hemisphere involved, why wouldn't this be compared to Bush41's Panama action? That's an alternative precedent to look at. Or Reagan's 1983 Granada.

If they have good intel on how to stop narco terrorists and thwart the commie government I'm all for it. But the evidence better be very good. The problem is drugs are coming in from so many countries it's a tough decision to just go after Venezuela.

ts5641 said:

---

If they have good intel on how to stop narco terrorists and thwart the commie government I'm all for it. But the evidence better be very good. The problem is drugs are coming in from so many countries it's a tough decision to just go after Venezuela.

---

If the reason is drugs, yes. But there are better ones. If they did it wouldn't be because of the drugs for the reasons you stated. It would be because Maduro's Venezuela seems to determined to become the next Cuba of this century, complete with aiding and allowing access to our major enemies. Its easy enough to support taking it down if do it right unlike Cuba in the 60's.

ts5641 said:

---

If they have good intel on how to stop narco terrorists and thwart the commie government I'm all for it. But the evidence better be very good. The problem is drugs are coming in from so many countries it's a tough decision to just go after Venezuela.

---

This is about China more than drugs. Trump is doing this to prevent them from getting more of a foothold there. Killing the drug boats and boxing in Maduro is the means to that end.

Not sure why people don't see this because the Trump admin has flat out told us this. This is Monroe Doctrine 2.0 - China whereas Monroe Doctrine 1.0 - Europe was the first season of this.

WSJ had an article with named and quoted Trump cabinet members last week on this and the main reason we are getting involved in South America right now is to kick China out where they already are and to prevent further incursion. In Argentina, we are doing this by backing Milei with funding who is already on a great path for them and us. In Venezuela, it's collapsing the Chavez/Maduro experiment in order to hopefully get them on the Milei path. Will that work and should we be doing that to the extent we are? That's the debate.

In addition, the latest five year defense strategy document discussed this as well. We have a two pronged strategy now - contain China and pivot to the Western Hemishphere. The latter is new and what you are seeing right now down there is the outcome of this pivot.

^^^^^^
THIS.

Its arguably far more justifiable and sound than any of the meddling in Europe or the Mideast.

It might be important to remember Cuba failed because it was tried to be done on the sly, under a pose and cover. Not a direct carrier force and squadron flights massed. It looks like if we are going to do this, it will be done properly in the open way making no bones about it along similar Monroe Doctrine precedents. (I can't recall if Bush41 invoked it at Panama off-hand or not)

Regime change is awesome when Trump (pbuh) does it!

captkirk said:

---

Won't be much of a "war"

---

Exactly. Venezuela is intentionally trying to harm Americans. Game over, *******s.

pagerman @ work said:

---

Regime change is awesome when Trump (pbuh) does it!

---

They are a threat to Americans, wake up dude.

Muy said:

---

pagerman @ work said:

---

Regime change is awesome when Trump (pbuh) does it!

---

They are a threat to Americans, wake up dude.

---

Venezuela?

Please.

pagerman @ work said:

---

Muy said:

---

pagerman @ work said:

---

Regime change is awesome when Trump (pbuh) does it!

---

They are a threat to Americans, wake up dude.

---

Venezuela?

Please.

---

Network Effect.

A destabilized Venezuela bleeds over to its neighbors which causes destabilization with neighbors which leads to an overall environment where we get caravans of illegals marching north.

We want Central and South America to be stable and successful because it directly impacts us unlike Ukraine or Africa.

pagerman @ work said:

---

Muy said:

---

pagerman @ work said:

---

Regime change is awesome when Trump (pbuh) does it!

---

They are a threat to Americans, wake up dude.

---

Venezuela?

Please.

---

Take 3 snorts of fentanyl laced cocaine and call us in the morning.

YouBet said:

---

pagerman @ work said:

---

Muy said:

---

pagerman @ work said:

---

Regime change is awesome when Trump (pbuh) does it!

---

They are a threat to Americans, wake up dude.

---

Venezuela?

Please.

---

Network Effect.

A destabilized Venezuela bleeds over to its neighbors which causes destabilization with neighbors which leads to an overall environment where we get caravans of illegals marching north.

We want Central and South America to be stable and successful because it directly impacts us unlike Ukraine or Africa.

---

We've already felt their effects with countless illegals, largely crime ridden ones, deliberately cast out of their own country that have been sent here to be our burden. A single American lost to a criminal Venezuelan is enough reason to bring hell upon a government who deliberately sent them to us.

Im shocked that only 64% support deposition of maduro

YouBet said:

---

pagerman @ work said:

---

Muy said:

---

pagerman @ work said:

---

Regime change is awesome when Trump (pbuh) does it!

---

They are a threat to Americans, wake up dude.

---

Venezuela?

Please.

---

Network Effect.

A destabilized Venezuela bleeds over to its neighbors which causes destabilization with neighbors which leads to an overall environment where we get caravans of illegals marching north.

We want Central and South America to be stable and successful because it directly impacts us unlike Ukraine or Africa.

---

That is an amazing combination of rationalization and justification.

pagerman @ work said:

---

YouBet said:

---

pagerman @ work said:

---

Muy said:

---

pagerman @ work said:

---

Regime change is awesome when Trump (pbuh) does it!

---

They are a threat to Americans, wake up dude.

---

Venezuela?

Please.

---

Network Effect.

A destabilized Venezuela bleeds over to its neighbors which causes destabilization with neighbors which leads to an overall environment where we get caravans of illegals marching north.

We want Central and South America to be stable and successful because it directly impacts us unlike Ukraine or Africa.

---

That is an amazing combination of rationalization and justification.

---

Thank you!

What happens with countries and landmass that actually connect to us providing most of the people that will make up our demographics going forward, and ultimately the majority, is far more important than Russian people's in Europe or fourth world Africa.

[/url]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c709rwxzx9yo[url]

Trump says he doubts we go to war with Venezuela

titan said:

---

ts5641 said:

---

If they have good intel on how to stop narco terrorists and thwart the commie government I'm all for it. But the evidence better be very good. The problem is drugs are coming in from so many countries it's a tough decision to just go after Venezuela.

---

If the reason is drugs, yes. But there are better ones. If they did it wouldn't be because of the drugs for the reasons you stated. It would be because Maduro's Venezuela seems to determined to become the next Cuba of this century, complete with aiding and allowing access to our major enemies. Its easy enough to support taking it down if do it right unlike Cuba in the 60's.

---

agreed but this must be done COVERTLY using intelligence agencies and the power of the United States through clandestine means-

not an overt invasion with ground troops!

LMCane said:

---

titan said:

---

ts5641 said:

---

If they have good intel on how to stop narco terrorists and thwart the commie government I'm all for it. But the evidence better be very good. The problem is drugs are coming in from so many countries it's a tough decision to just go after Venezuela.

---

If the reason is drugs, yes. But there are better ones. If they did it wouldn't be because of the drugs for the reasons you stated. It would be because Maduro's Venezuela seems to determined to become the next Cuba of this century, complete with aiding and allowing access to our major enemies. Its easy enough to support taking it down if do it right unlike Cuba in the 60's.

---

agreed but this must be done COVERTLY using intelligence agencies and the power of the United States through clandestine means-

not an overt invasion with ground troops!

---

But didn't Bay of Pigs fail, and Granada and Panama work?

There seems more to recommend honest direct intervention if going to do it, making no bones about it.

Sooooo… was this all just an unsuccessful bluff attempt?

U.S. President Donald J. Trump has begun to express reservations to top aides about potentially launching military action — including airstrikes against military and government facilities as well as covert ground operations — to oust Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, fearing… pic.twitter.com/3vdAUUjyKY

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) November 6, 2025

Rossticus said:

---

Sooooo… was this all just an unsuccessful bluff attempt?

U.S. President Donald J. Trump has begun to express reservations to top aides about potentially launching military action — including airstrikes against military and government facilities as well as covert ground operations — to oust Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, fearing… pic.twitter.com/3vdAUUjyKY

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) November 6, 2025

---

I think he's questioning everything right now after the Dem wins on Tuesday. I'm not sure why because those wins were all expected and pre-determined, but you know how quickly he changes his mind on stuff.

A couple of weeks ago they communicated their intent to focus on foreign policy from here on out and I think he's reading the tea leaves and the leaves are telling him that people want him to still focus on domestic issues.

Regardless of whether you agree with the approach we were taking, I think it's a bad look. A weak look. And it encourages others not to take us seriously. As we've seen in recent years, bad things happen when bad actors don't take us seriously. Peace through strength loses its effectiveness when you're perceived as not being willing to follow through.

What is the source for this or that we were "considering" striking Venezuela?

Ellis Wyatt said:

---

What is the source for this or that we were "considering" striking Venezuela?

---

"Officials familiar with the deliberations". So anybody who wants to make Trump look bad or indecisive. Which narrows it down to most of the CIA and DIA and a significant portion of the upper echelon of DoD.

Ellis Wyatt said:

---

What is the source for this or that we were "considering" striking Venezuela?

---

Trump stated publicly that he was looking at striking targets in Venezuela, then proceeded to have the Ford carrier group moved from the Mediterranean to the Caribbean, off of Puerto Rico. Videos have been emerging on X purportedly showing US military assets being moved in Trinidad and Tobago as well. A lot of assets moved to the vicinity of Venezuela quite suddenly if we weren't contemplating something.

Trinidad y Tobago, el país que defiende la operación antidrogas de Trump en el Caribe y cómo eso tensa las relaciones con la vecina Venezuela https://t.co/vz1iIsPRnB

— BBC News Mundo (@bbcmundo) November 3, 2025

🇹🇹🇺🇸🇻🇪 | Se ha observado movimiento de equipo militar, presuntamente de la 22ª Unidad Expedicionaria de Marines (22ª MEU) del Cuerpo de Marines de Estados Unidos, en Trinidad y Tobago, a unos 8 km de la costa noreste de Venezuela, en los últimos días.
pic.twitter.com/Nv0J3zzN5G

— Alerta News 24 (@AlertaNews24) November 4, 2025

Rossticus said:

---

Regardless of whether you agree with the approach we were taking, I think it's a bad look. A weak look. And it encourages others not to take us seriously. As we've seen in recent years, bad things happen when bad actors don't take us seriously. Peace through strength loses its effectiveness when you're perceived as not being willing to follow through.

---

TACO

Rossticus said:

---

Sooooo… was this all just an unsuccessful bluff attempt?

U.S. President Donald J. Trump has begun to express reservations to top aides about potentially launching military action — including airstrikes against military and government facilities as well as covert ground operations — to oust Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, fearing… pic.twitter.com/3vdAUUjyKY

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) November 6, 2025

---

If true that was quite a lot of movement and money