My guess he thinks government handouts to moochers is critical

RIFs work wonders. Remove anyone and everyone that could be an issue, then hire back people who will get the job done.

Biden grew the federal government by 7%. That needs to be reversed.

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Biden grew the federal government by 7%. That needs to be reversed.

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Reversed and deployed where?

Our corps have offshored almost all jobs except low pay ones like HVAC and plumber.

They can find jobs in the real world or government jobs that are really needed. Border Patrol is hiring. They can try that.

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Our corps have offshored almost all jobs except low pay ones like HVAC and plumber.

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That's not true.

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Biden grew the federal government by 7%. That needs to be reversed.

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Reversed and deployed where?

Our corps have offshored almost all jobs except low pay ones like HVAC and plumber.

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How much do you think a licensed HVAC guy or master plumber makes right now?

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From what I understand a RIF eliminates the position so those jobs won't come back. In a shutdown, the Executive Branch has expanded authority so this is his opportunity to cut to the quick.

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Genuinly asking, do you have proof of this expanded authority during a shutdown? I asked Grok who said this is not true, but I know Grok is not always right. Also did a google search and couldn't find anything.

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They can find jobs in the real world or government jobs that are really needed. Border Patrol is hiring. They can try that.

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Good luck turning an accountant into a Border Patrol guy.

Many folks here are so clueless.

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backintexas2013 said:

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They can find jobs in the real world or government jobs that are really needed. Border Patrol is hiring. They can try that.

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Good luck turning an accountant into a Border Patrol guy.

Many folks here are so clueless.

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Maybe not in the USBP but there are plenty of accountants in Fed LE. It is one of the most desirable competencies for Fed LE.

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Tell me where in the DOE and HHS there are CRITICAL jobs? I bet we could say 5,000 in HHS… scientists and doctors. But Educstion?

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Ummmmm.....

it is a little concerning that he's RIFd the folks in charge of administering IDEA and the civil rights component of SPED programs

i get that the plan is to move that stuff to HHS which is not a bad idea maybe but SPED is a cluster**** as it is both state wise and federally

and now we're gutting the office that is the top level of legal recourse parents have if their kids in SPED have an issue.

im trying to get a good spin on this one and i get that hey man the government is shut down and this is what happens but this is the one piece that makes me a little concerned with a disabled kid.

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RIFs work wonders. Remove anyone and everyone that could be an issue, then hire back people who will get the job done.

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That's not how this works at all, unfortunately. RIFs take everyone at a certain level, position, and experience. The rising star can be cut and the dead wood not even impacted in the slightest.

I believe it's not the feds job and should be a states issue.

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Trump is nuking headcount.

I've looked and don't see anything about a lower standard or special circumstances for terminations during a shutdown.

Is he using the shutdown as cover or justification (i.e. they were deemed non essential). In other words, this part of government is deemed non essential so the gov has a better hand in court if sued?

Why not do it before now?

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Have you ever tried to fired a federal employee? There are some good employees but 75% are average to below average. I served 26 years and work around them still. They have very low standards for acceptable performance.

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Oh it is possible...but does take a lot of work (which given your other stat about government workers means the supervisors don't want to put in that kind of work, they would rather pass their problems along internally to the next federal supervisor sadly)

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They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.

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Outside of the military, there is nothing the government does that so critical that they need to rehire useless dead weight.

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That's not the point. The point is optics.

1. Trump fires a ton of folks
2. Courts rule in his favor - the law is the law
3. Dems will say they now will actually negotiate and a "compromise" will be reached.
4. During the "negotiations", one of the biggest "concession" will be bringing back the workers that were fired.

Narrative will be the left is willing to put people ahead of politics.

That narrative will ultimately lose, but it's all the left has now. Fake narratives that are total BS and not bought into by the mass public.

This is our opportunity to massively reduce the federal govt.

F16 majority has put this as the #1 wish list since day 1 of small govt. views.

Not sure how nay sayers could change this with the iron so hot.

I think closing the border was the first item on the list. From there it gets muddier between small government, true libertarians, cutting all entitlement programs, taxation is theft and so on.

I think most in general, as you say, want massively reduced spending and smaller government, but it seems the opinions on what that is and how to get there vary quite wildly.

That said, RIF everyone and we can hire back the ones needed and how are willing to return to work. Pretty simple.

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They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.

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Outside of the military, there is nothing the government does that so critical that they need to rehire useless dead weight.

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"Trump Administration Is Bringing Back Scores of C.D.C. Experts Fired in Error
Friday's layoffs swept up scientists involved in responding to disease outbreaks and running an influential journal. Officials said the mistaken dismissals were being rescinded."

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/11/health/cdc-layoffs-measles.html

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I'm guessing you don't know what a Score is??

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Found the renter...

Makes you wonder how people can arrive at such terrible conclusions.

The heavily licensed trades tend to still be mostly staffed with reliable professionals who have to apply, receive and maintain those licenses. And that protects them being undercut by less than legal trades.

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They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.

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You like a large, wasteful, and inefficient government?

Wonder why liberals are so committed to the man?

I don't think that's what he's saying. I believe he's saying that this is all for show and politics and there's no mechanism to stop the government from re-hiring these people. The problem is Congress will fund the jobs again.

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They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.

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I doubt that any critical things stop working, though.

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I heard a commenter the other day ask rhetorically "Why does our government have so many non-essential employees?"


Also came across this today. Brooke Rollins doing the Lord's work I guess.

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They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.

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Don't federal workers often get backpay when the shutdowns end?

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They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.

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These are non essential workers. The employees in the critical parts of the government are still working.

They should never have been hired since they are non essential.

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Everyone is quick to talk about the need to bring back federal workers, but we need to ask ourselves a serious question: if entire departments and divisions are gone, yet nothing changes for the American people, were those government employees truly essential?…

— Rand Paul (@RandPaul) October 14, 2025

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They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.

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These are non essential workers. The employees in the critical parts of the government are still working.

They should never have been hired since they are non essential.

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Everyone is quick to talk about the need to bring back federal workers, but we need to ask ourselves a serious question: if entire departments and divisions are gone, yet nothing changes for the American people, were those government employees truly essential?…

— Rand Paul (@RandPaul) October 14, 2025

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Classic F16.
"If it doesn't impact me directly, and I don't know what it means, it must not be 'essential'." That definition of "essential" is totally different than the average poster thinks.

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They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.

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These are non essential workers. The employees in the critical parts of the government are still working.

They should never have been hired since they are non essential.

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Everyone is quick to talk about the need to bring back federal workers, but we need to ask ourselves a serious question: if entire departments and divisions are gone, yet nothing changes for the American people, were those government employees truly essential?…

— Rand Paul (@RandPaul) October 14, 2025

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Classic F16.
"If it doesn't impact me directly, and I don't know what it means, it must not be 'essential'." That definition of "essential" is totally different than the average poster thinks.

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Strawman.

If it doesn't affect anyone and doesn't add value, it's not essential. You always take up for your fellow federal employees, but most are not contributing crap to anything or to anyone's life and won't be missed. I know that's hard to take.

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They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.

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These are non essential workers. The employees in the critical parts of the government are still working.

They should never have been hired since they are non essential.

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Everyone is quick to talk about the need to bring back federal workers, but we need to ask ourselves a serious question: if entire departments and divisions are gone, yet nothing changes for the American people, were those government employees truly essential?…

— Rand Paul (@RandPaul) October 14, 2025

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Classic F16.
"If it doesn't impact me directly, and I don't know what it means, it must not be 'essential'." That definition of "essential" is totally different than the average poster thinks.

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Strawman.

If it doesn't affect anyone and doesn't add value, it's not essential. You always take up for your fellow federal employees, but most are not contributing crap to anything or to anyone's life and won't be missed. I know that's hard to take.

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And theres the fault in your logic. Your value is all you see. Is the screw worm eradication program essential to you? You likely don't think so, but the multi billion dollar cattle industry thinks so. How about fever tick detection? Is that important to you? Not likely. Those flood prevention and rehab programs on dams protecting your home? The guys designing, inspectin, and implementing them are "non-essential". Youre clueless about what the definition means in practice.

If you'd bothered to pay attention, I've spoken out multiple times about wasteful spending and useless employees, but to lump,them all as "non-essential" based on a definition you don't understand is two dementional thinking at its finest.

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And theres the fault in your logic. Your value is all you see. Is the screw worm eradication program essential to you? You likely don't think so, but the multi billion dollar cattle industry thinks so. How about fever tick detection? Is that important to you? Not likely. Those flood prevention and rehab programs on dams protecting your home? The guys designing, inspectin, and implementing them are "non-essential". Youre clueless about what the definition means in practice.

If you'd bothered to pay attention, I've spoken out multiple times about wasteful spending and useless employees, but to lump,them all as "non-essential" based on a definition you don't understand is two dementional thinking at its finest.

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People protest naked in the streets because they think ICE is a big meany.

But no protests for all these essential services being stopped and people starving and dying daily?

I know that is what the left wants, they want planes to fall from the sky just to show up Trump.

My income ultimately comes from HUD and the US Treasury. Never has a shutdown in the past 15 years impacted that.

If you want to suck on the government teet, make sure the its labeled "essential".

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They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.

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These are non essential workers. The employees in the critical parts of the government are still working.

They should never have been hired since they are non essential.

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Everyone is quick to talk about the need to bring back federal workers, but we need to ask ourselves a serious question: if entire departments and divisions are gone, yet nothing changes for the American people, were those government employees truly essential?…

— Rand Paul (@RandPaul) October 14, 2025

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Classic F16.
"If it doesn't impact me directly, and I don't know what it means, it must not be 'essential'." That definition of "essential" is totally different than the average poster thinks.

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What does this mean?

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Is the screw worm eradication program essential to you? You likely don't think so, but the multi billion dollar cattle industry thinks so. How about fever tick detection? Is that important to you? Not likely. Those flood prevention and rehab programs on dams protecting your home? The guys designing, inspectin, and implementing them are "non-essential". Youre clueless about what the definition means in practice

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There is this thing called the private sector. If eradicating the screw worm is so important, then the private sector will find the way. The Federal govt. should not be funding the project, the multi billion dollar cattle industry should.

Also, when dollars are approved, you must look at Article 1 Section 8 and Article 1 Section 10. It is all right there in black and white if our Federal Govt. should be in the screw worm eradication business.

ETA: Yep, just checked it and screw worm eradication is not in there.

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Is the screw worm eradication program essential to you? You likely don't think so, but the multi billion dollar cattle industry thinks so. How about fever tick detection? Is that important to you? Not likely. Those flood prevention and rehab programs on dams protecting your home? The guys designing, inspectin, and implementing them are "non-essential". Youre clueless about what the definition means in practice

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There is this thing called the private sector. If eradicating the screw worm is so important, then the private sector will find the way. The Federal govt. should not be funding the project, the multi billion dollar cattle industry should.

Also, when dollars are approved, you must look at Article 1 Section 8 and Article 1 Section 10. It is all right there in black and white if our Federal Govt. should be in the screw worm eradication business.

ETA: Yep, just checked it and screw worm eradication is not in there.

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2 dimensional thinking at its finest. Neither is flood control, disease prevention, …….the list goes on and on.

Flood control???? really???? - State issue
Disease prevention - At a Department of War level, sure.

What else?

Flood control and disease prevention of critical importance are essential services. The person you are bantering with ignores such.