Explain the RIFs that Trump is doing

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Logos Stick
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2:48p, 10/12/25
Trump is nuking headcount.

I've looked and don't see anything about a lower standard or special circumstances for terminations during a shutdown.

Is he using the shutdown as cover or justification (i.e. they were deemed non essential). In other words, this part of government is deemed non essential so the gov has a better hand in court if sued?

Why not do it before now?
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In reply to Logos Stick • 2:52p, 10/12/25
Idiot lawsuits.
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2:58p, 10/12/25
They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.
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3:07p, 10/12/25
From what I understand a RIF eliminates the position so those jobs won't come back. In a shutdown, the Executive Branch has expanded authority so this is his opportunity to cut to the quick.
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In reply to DarkBrandon01 • 3:13p, 10/12/25
DarkBrandon01 said:
They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.

No they wont
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In reply to DarkBrandon01 • 3:19p, 10/12/25
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In reply to DarkBrandon01 • 3:21p, 10/12/25
DarkBrandon01 said:
They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.


These are non essential workers. The employees in the critical parts of the government are still working.

They should never have been hired since they are non essential.
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3:48p, 10/12/25
As of the summer, DOGE cuts were estimated at 300,000 (voluntary and involuntary). Latest etimated puts the rehire numbers in the "hundreds" and some of that was court ordered.

The idea that most workers had to be rehired does not comport with reality.
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In reply to DarkBrandon01 • 3:49p, 10/12/25
DarkBrandon01 said:
They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.

Outside of the military, there is nothing the government does that so critical that they need to rehire useless dead weight.
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In reply to Deus Vult • 3:55p, 10/12/25
Deus Vult said:
DarkBrandon01 said:
They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.

Outside of the military, there is nothing the government does that so critical that they need to rehire useless dead weight.


"Trump Administration Is Bringing Back Scores of C.D.C. Experts Fired in Error
Friday's layoffs swept up scientists involved in responding to disease outbreaks and running an influential journal. Officials said the mistaken dismissals were being rescinded."

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/11/health/cdc-layoffs-measles.html
Thanks and gig'em
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In reply to DarkBrandon01 • 4:20p, 10/12/25
DarkBrandon01 said:
They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.


Give em a shovel, as your hero Obama bragged about all those shovel ready jobs
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In reply to Logos Stick • 4:22p, 10/12/25
Logos Stick said:
Trump is nuking headcount.

I've looked and don't see anything about a lower standard or special circumstances for terminations during a shutdown.

Is he using the shutdown as cover or justification (i.e. they were deemed non essential). In other words, this part of government is deemed non essential so the gov has a better hand in court if sued?

Why not do it before now?

Have you ever tried to fired a federal employee? There are some good employees but 75% are average to below average. I served 26 years and work around them still. They have very low standards for acceptable performance.
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In reply to Aggie_Journalist • 4:27p, 10/12/25
Aggie_Journalist said:
Deus Vult said:
DarkBrandon01 said:
They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.

Outside of the military, there is nothing the government does that so critical that they need to rehire useless dead weight.


"Trump Administration Is Bringing Back Scores of C.D.C. Experts Fired in Error
Friday's layoffs swept up scientists involved in responding to disease outbreaks and running an influential journal. Officials said the mistaken dismissals were being rescinded."

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/11/health/cdc-layoffs-measles.html


NY times
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4:37p, 10/12/25
In total about 3000 headcount reduction after bringing "scores" back
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4:41p, 10/12/25
If you've ever executed a RIF, you know a few rehires or backfills are likely, especially if you have additional departures on top of the RIF. Usually, this is a very small amount relative to the RIF. Hard to get RIFs perfect, just like it's hard to get expansions perfect.
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In reply to KerrAg76 • 5:17p, 10/12/25
KerrAg76 said:
In total about 3000 headcount reduction after bringing "scores" back


Incorrect.

I'm talking about RIFs happening right now. From Friday:

"More than 4,000 federal employees received layoff notices Friday as part of the Trump administration's broad effort to reshape the government while it remains shutdown, according to a court filing Friday."
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In reply to KerrAg76 • 5:20p, 10/12/25
KerrAg76 said:
In total about 3000 headcount reduction after bringing "scores" back


Also, excluding this round of RIFs, you're still wrong.

Estimates are 100k+ employees have either taken the offer to resign or have been fired!
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5:52p, 10/12/25
NYT article about CDC…that was the question
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In reply to KerrAg76 • 6:04p, 10/12/25
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In reply to stallion6 • 7:12p, 10/12/25
stallion6 said:
There are some good employees but 75% are average to below average.
That's not how math works.
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In reply to TA-OP • 7:14p, 10/12/25
Guessing the poster means compared to other professionals and not just government employees.
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In reply to TA-OP • 7:17p, 10/12/25
TA-OP said:
stallion6 said:
There are some good employees but 75% are average to below average.
That's not how math works.


Actually, that is exactly how math can work when you use average, now if you are talking median that is a different story .
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In reply to TA-OP • 7:50p, 10/12/25
TA-OP said:
stallion6 said:
There are some good employees but 75% are average to below average.
That's not how math works.


You are assuming a normal distribution. That is not valid.
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In reply to Deus Vult • 7:54p, 10/12/25
Deus Vult said:
DarkBrandon01 said:
They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.

Outside of the military, there is nothing the government does that so critical that they need to rehire useless dead weight.


Air Traffic Control is kind of important...
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In reply to Logos Stick • 9:29p, 10/12/25
Logos Stick said:
DarkBrandon01 said:
They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.


These are non essential workers. The employees in the critical parts of the government are still working.

They should never have been hired since they are non essential.

Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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9:59p, 10/12/25
Learn to code
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In reply to Ramdiesel • 10:10p, 10/12/25
Ramdiesel said:
Deus Vult said:
DarkBrandon01 said:
They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.

Outside of the military, there is nothing the government does that so critical that they need to rehire useless dead weight.


Air Traffic Control is kind of important...

Nothing is critical if it was a DEI hire…
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In reply to SociallyConditionedAg • 7:41a, 10/13/25
SociallyConditionedAg said:
From what I understand a RIF eliminates the position so those jobs won't come back. In a shutdown, the Executive Branch has expanded authority so this is his opportunity to cut to the quick.
correct. Those billets will go away. Any addition future billets will have to justified.
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In reply to Aggie_Journalist • 7:41a, 10/13/25
Aggie_Journalist said:
Deus Vult said:
DarkBrandon01 said:
They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.

Outside of the military, there is nothing the government does that so critical that they need to rehire useless dead weight.


"Trump Administration Is Bringing Back Scores of C.D.C. Experts Fired in Error
Friday's layoffs swept up scientists involved in responding to disease outbreaks and running an influential journal. Officials said the mistaken dismissals were being rescinded."

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/11/health/cdc-layoffs-measles.html


The NY Times is paid for political propaganda of the left. If the health and safety of sour citizens depends on little Faucis with god complexes and poor understandings of their field of expertise, then we are doomed.

Regardless, believe nothing the NY Times publishes. Nothing. It's not based in fact.
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In reply to Logos Stick • 7:41a, 10/13/25
He's been trying and judicial rulings stop him constantly. Now the dems have effed up.
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In reply to Tango.Mike • 8:23a, 10/13/25
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In reply to TA-OP • 8:44a, 10/13/25
You need a symmetric distribution to say this. Also it is possible the poster you responded to was thinking of the average of the distribution of all workers (government and private sector) and describing how federal workers place within that overall distribution.
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8:47a, 10/13/25
Most of the people in my area are Feds. I know plenty that have been laid off once or twice this year, but not a single one that didn't get their job back.

I'm not saying all the layoffs are fake, but for a lot of people it's been sound and fury signifying nothing.
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10:00a, 10/13/25
Tell me where in the DOE and HHS there are CRITICAL jobs? I bet we could say 5,000 in HHS… scientists and doctors. But Educstion?
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In reply to DarkBrandon01 • 2:40p, 10/13/25
DarkBrandon01 said:
They'll be rehired once critical things stop working and the cycle will repeat.

I doubt that any critical things stop working, though.
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