Is this the start of a Chinese move on Taiwan

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jamey
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A month or so ago Putin and Xi meet and right after Putin starts testing NATO member boarders. No coincidence imo. China is watching


Now today in the news China is pulling the rare earth card. Taiwan makes 90% of worlds computer chips. China basically owns rare earths. Without those 2 things. The US and its allies are in the 1960s. We can not let China roll on Taiwan, we'd have to stop it no matter what


We should have taken Russia out in Ukraine instead of this softer gentler isolationist Republican stuff. China has been watching


Edited to add
And by taking out Russia, thats simply continued or even expanded support of Ukraine
Morbo the Annihilator
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I didn't even know there was an offical NATO B&B.

Rapier108
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jamey said:

We should have taken Russia out in Ukraine instead of this softer gentler isolationist Republican stuff. China has been watching

So you wanted World War III to start in 2022.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Morbo the Annihilator said:

I didn't even know there was an offical NATO B&B.




Bet they serve Belgian waffles!
jamey
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Rapier108 said:

jamey said:

We should have taken Russia out in Ukraine instead of this softer gentler isolationist Republican stuff. China has been watching

So you wanted World War III to start in 2022.


Just continued and even ramped up support in 2025 once Russia was seriously weakening


It would not have been WW3. It would have been Russians taking Putin out and and tucking their tail back into Russian territory.

93MarineHorn
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jamey said:

A month or so ago Putin and Xi meet and right after Putin starts testing NATO member boarders. No coincidence imo. China is watching


Now today in the news China is pulling the rare earth card. Taiwan makes 90% of worlds computer chips. China basically owns rare earths. Without those 2 things. The US and its allies are in the 1960s. We can not let China roll on Taiwan, we'd have to stop it no matter what


We should have taken Russia out in Ukraine instead of this softer gentler isolationist Republican stuff. China has been watching

We should have gone to war with Russia? Ok, tough guy.
Rapier108
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jamey said:

Rapier108 said:

jamey said:

We should have taken Russia out in Ukraine instead of this softer gentler isolationist Republican stuff. China has been watching

So you wanted World War III to start in 2022.


Just continued and even ramped up support in 2025 once Russia was seriously weakening


It would not have been WW3. It would have been Russians taking Putin out and and tucking their tail back into Russian territory.

Russia doesn't tuck tail and run.

They would have done whatever was necessary to win, including striking NATO depots supplying Ukraine.

To "take out Russia" means you desire World War III, pure and simple.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
CDUB98
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Bless your heart.
BadMoonRisin
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We could actually choke out TSMC if we needed to. The largest node of ultra high purity quartz in the world is in Spruce Pine, NC.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
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Morbo the Annihilator said:

I didn't even know there was an offical NATO B&B.



Underrated post.
jamey
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93MarineHorn said:

jamey said:

A month or so ago Putin and Xi meet and right after Putin starts testing NATO member boarders. No coincidence imo. China is watching


Now today in the news China is pulling the rare earth card. Taiwan makes 90% of worlds computer chips. China basically owns rare earths. Without those 2 things. The US and its allies are in the 1960s. We can not let China roll on Taiwan, we'd have to stop it no matter what


We should have taken Russia out in Ukraine instead of this softer gentler isolationist Republican stuff. China has been watching

We should have gone to war with Russia? Ok, tough guy.


Answered above, no not war with Russia

Just continued and even expanded support for Ukraine facing a weakening Russia instead of this softer gentler R, I like Putin and have you seen their shopping carts crap
93MarineHorn
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Wars by foreign tyrants are started during Democrat administrations. China will wait until the next weak Democrat POTUS. They are patient.
BadMoonRisin
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jamey said:

We should have taken Russia out in Ukraine instead of this softer gentler isolationist Republican stuff. China has been watching

Sleepy Joe was sleepy and let Russia invade Ukraine to cover up he and his family's corruption/money laundering and you blame *checks notes* Republicans?
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93MarineHorn
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jamey said:

93MarineHorn said:

jamey said:

A month or so ago Putin and Xi meet and right after Putin starts testing NATO member boarders. No coincidence imo. China is watching


Now today in the news China is pulling the rare earth card. Taiwan makes 90% of worlds computer chips. China basically owns rare earths. Without those 2 things. The US and its allies are in the 1960s. We can not let China roll on Taiwan, we'd have to stop it no matter what


We should have taken Russia out in Ukraine instead of this softer gentler isolationist Republican stuff. China has been watching

We should have gone to war with Russia? Ok, tough guy.


Answered above, no not war with Russia

Just continued and even expanded support for Ukraine facing a weakening Russia instead of this softer gentler R, I like Putin and have you seen their shopping carts crap

Who was in the WH for the first 3 years of this conflict? You're not a serious person.

jamey
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BadMoonRisin said:

jamey said:

We should have taken Russia out in Ukraine instead of this softer gentler isolationist Republican stuff. China has been watching

Sleepy Joe was sleepy and let Russia invade Ukraine to cover up he and his family's corruption and you blame *checks notes* Republicans?



Yeah, Ds are women and
Rs are men. I dont blame a woman for not fighting off an attacking man. I blame the man


The Ds (women) did support Ukraine. The Rs (man) should have continued and even increased support against a weakening Russia

But this a soft, man-bun R party that whiffs on geopolitical issues and wants to play neutral Switzerland.
13B
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6 edits and two hints and you still can't figure out that it is borders and not boarders?
Captain Pablo
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Jamey posts

Good lord
Fumbleruski
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I think China pulling the rare earth's card, blocking US soybean imports, and slapping an array of fees on shipments from Chinese made vessels were attempts to create last minute leverage in the planned trade talks with the US.

Thought it was an interesting move when Trump said "there's no more reason to meet with Xi", basically saying that the US is done negotiating with China on this.
titan
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Rapier108 said:

jamey said:

Rapier108 said:

jamey said:

We should have taken Russia out in Ukraine instead of this softer gentler isolationist Republican stuff. China has been watching

So you wanted World War III to start in 2022.


Just continued and even ramped up support in 2025 once Russia was seriously weakening


It would not have been WW3. It would have been Russians taking Putin out and and tucking their tail back into Russian territory.

Russia doesn't tuck tail and run.

They would have done whatever was necessary to win, including striking NATO depots supplying Ukraine.

To "take out Russia" are you desire means World War III, pure and simple.

True. And under Biden? Yikes. Would likely have lost.

As for now, doubt China has this in mind. They have no reason to not try to wait for another weak administration and not one that will fight like old style America.
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I saw an interesting data point yesterday.

China is adding nearly 1MM bbls of oil to their strategic reserves per day this calendar year. Maybe they're taking advantage of buying Russia's discounted crude pricing. But they may be stockpiling for future war maneuvers as well.

...take it easy on me, I'm a normal horn
Im Gipper
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Spring 2021, people here were SO SURE China was going to invade Taiwan because Biden was in office.


Read carefully: China is not invading Taiwan.

I'm Gipper
Rapier108
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Im Gipper said:

Spring 2021, people here were SO SURE China was going to invade Taiwan because Biden was in office.


Read carefully: China is not invading Taiwan.

Not yet. They still need a few more years to have enough amphibious ships to conduct and support a large enough landing.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
Captain Pablo
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Im Gipper said:

Spring 2021, people here were SO SURE China was going to invade Taiwan because Biden was in office.


Read carefully: China is not invading Taiwan.


Not at the moment
Captain Pablo
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Rapier108 said:

Im Gipper said:

Spring 2021, people here were SO SURE China was going to invade Taiwan because Biden was in office.


Read carefully: China is not invading Taiwan.

Not yet. They still need a few more years to have enough amphibious ships to conduct and support a large enough landing.


I saw a comparison between US, Russian, and Chinese naval vessels recently.

We are way ahead of both China and Russia in carriers, but things are pretty even in almost every other class of warship. And in some areas, we are behind

I was rather surprised at this

I had always assumed we we had many times the ships they had in all categories
Captain Pablo
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Also recently reviewed the charts of our strategic oil reserves.

Idiot Biden cut our reserves in half
Rapier108
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Captain Pablo said:

Rapier108 said:

Im Gipper said:

Spring 2021, people here were SO SURE China was going to invade Taiwan because Biden was in office.


Read carefully: China is not invading Taiwan.

Not yet. They still need a few more years to have enough amphibious ships to conduct and support a large enough landing.


I saw a comparison between US, Russian, and Chinese naval vessels recently.

We are way ahead of both China and Russia in carriers, but things are pretty even in almost every other class of warship. And in some areas, we are behind

I was rather surprised at this

I had always assumed we we had many times the ships they had in all categories


And we're retiring our Ticonderoga cruisers at a rapid pace.

They're some of our most capable warships, but we're down to 7 and those won't be around much longer.

The replacements, DDG(X) as it is currently called, is at least 10 years away, and knowing just how ****ty our ship building is, probably 15-20.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
Captain Pablo
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Rapier108 said:

Captain Pablo said:

Rapier108 said:

Im Gipper said:

Spring 2021, people here were SO SURE China was going to invade Taiwan because Biden was in office.


Read carefully: China is not invading Taiwan.

Not yet. They still need a few more years to have enough amphibious ships to conduct and support a large enough landing.


I saw a comparison between US, Russian, and Chinese naval vessels recently.

We are way ahead of both China and Russia in carriers, but things are pretty even in almost every other class of warship. And in some areas, we are behind

I was rather surprised at this

I had always assumed we we had many times the ships they had in all categories


And we're retiring our Ticonderoga cruisers at a rapid pace.

They're some of our most capable warships, but we're down to 7 and those won't be around much longer.

The replacements, DDG(X) as it is currently called, is at least 10 years away, and knowing just how ****ty our ship building is, probably 15-20.


Yeah and China is building at warp speed. Unsettling to say the least
MGS
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Captain Pablo said:

Rapier108 said:

Im Gipper said:

Spring 2021, people here were SO SURE China was going to invade Taiwan because Biden was in office.


Read carefully: China is not invading Taiwan.

Not yet. They still need a few more years to have enough amphibious ships to conduct and support a large enough landing.


I saw a comparison between US, Russian, and Chinese naval vessels recently.

We are way ahead of both China and Russia in carriers, but things are pretty even in almost every other class of warship. And in some areas, we are behind

I was rather surprised at this

I had always assumed we we had many times the ships they had in all categories


Our Arleigh Burkes are better and more numerous than China's destroyer fleet and we're way ahead in SSNs and SSBNs. Where exactly does the PLAN have parity to the US Navy?
titan
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Captain Pablo said:

Rapier108 said:

Im Gipper said:

Spring 2021, people here were SO SURE China was going to invade Taiwan because Biden was in office.


Read carefully: China is not invading Taiwan.

Not yet. They still need a few more years to have enough amphibious ships to conduct and support a large enough landing.


I saw a comparison between US, Russian, and Chinese naval vessels recently.

We are way ahead of both China and Russia in carriers, but things are pretty even in almost every other class of warship. And in some areas, we are behind

I was rather surprised at this

I had always assumed we we had many times the ships they had in all categories


No we have let everything dangerously degrade. Remember Obama had 8 years and Biden 4. Bush & Cheney were focused on anti-terror type war and not fleet logistics.

Our real advantage lies in our ability to avoid direct action if want to - the ability to establish a blockade well outside the zone China's navy may well end up able to dominate. But short term you probably are not holding East China Sea or Taiwan Straits.
Maroon Dawn
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Naval AUV Drones like the Orca and Manta are the key to checking the Chinese navy. Let them build more targets
BTKAG97
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If China ever makes a move on Taiwan and is able to capture the island, it might be a good idea to just glass the place and move on.
Eliminatus
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Im Gipper said:

Spring 2021, people here were SO SURE China was going to invade Taiwan because Biden was in office.


Read carefully: China is not invading Taiwan.

I promise you, you have no idea what China's strategic plans are for the next 5 years.
samurai_science
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They want to before our own rare earth gets online
WestAustinAg
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Trump knows what's going on. Read the note. He will retaliate.
AtticusMatlock
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Post better suited for the other thread
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