shiftyandquick said:

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JD Vance again signaling, like the waterboy he is, that Trump will use the Insurrection Act to deploy troops throughout the country. Citing crime as the justification. Using the military as a political instrument, against the people of America.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/12/us/politics/jd-vance-trump-insurrection-act.html?searchResultPosition=2

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You must be crying in your Soy Latte this morning as leaders around the world praise Trump.

LOL. I still haven't caught up from Trump starting WW III.

shiftyandquick said:

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3rd world countries roll their military into cities to "quell disorder."

3rd world countries take over economic statistics with cronies "to make them right."

3rd world countries have their dictator determine the monetary policy.

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Caugh caugh, France did it during the "yellow vest" protest. We also used them in the LA riots, and numerous tjmes in the 60's. This is just off the top of my head.

hangman said:

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This was Trump's plan all along. It's not a complicated playbook. Manufacture a non-existent crisis and expand authorities and powers to himself. Turkey's Erdogan used it several years ago. Putin uses it all the time. The fact that Portland has basically got nothing going on though makes even the most gullible question the actions. I've been to Portland even during worse times and it's one of the more mild cities I've ever traveled to.

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Yep, nothing at all going on in Portland.

It must be cognitively painful to always simultaneously hold that things aren't happening and that it's good that they are.

shiftyandquick said:

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3rd world countries roll their military into cities to "quell disorder."

3rd world countries take over economic statistics with cronies "to make them right."

3rd world countries have their dictator determine the monetary policy.

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3rd world countries can also get all their ballots counted on election day.

3rd world countries give favorable government loans and deals to cronies (cough, cough Solyndra)

3rd world countries put their children on the boards of foreign corporations to hide and launder payoffs

3rd world countries allow their Secretary of State to set up a "charity" and take in and keep for themselves hundreds of millions of dollars



In other words, clean up your own glass house before you start casting stones.

hangman said:

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This was Trump's plan all along. It's not a complicated playbook. Manufacture a non-existent crisis and expand authorities and powers to himself. Turkey's Erdogan used it several years ago. Putin uses it all the time. The fact that Portland has basically got nothing going on though makes even the most gullible question the actions. I've been to Portland even during worse times and it's one of the more mild cities I've ever traveled to.

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delusion

I'd also like to know what this "manufactured" crisis is.

I think he is referring to the fact that the protests in Portland are actually contained to a small area and fairly calm. Not the war torn city that the administration is attempting to say it is. This information is readily available but would require looking at any news source that isn't a rabid supporter of trump.

cslifer said:

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This information is readily available but would require looking at any news source that isn't a rabid supporter of trump.

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There are tons of news outlets of all ilk describing the riots and unrest. Why do you think that there's no unrest or that it's only being reported by "rabid supporters of Trump"?

I very clearly did not say there was no unrest, only that is is greatly exaggerated.

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I think he is referring to the fact that the protests in Portland are actually contained to a small area and fairly calm. Not the war torn city that the administration is attempting to say it is. This information is readily available but would require looking at any news source that isn't a rabid supporter of trump.

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So because the conflict is confined to certain areas, it can't be considered "war torn"? That's new.

"war torn" is defined by the oxford dictionary as "racked or devasted", so no, Portland nor any American city is war torn. Additionally, the people who actually live there don't view it as such.

cslifer said:

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I think he is referring to the fact that the protests in Portland are actually contained to a small area and fairly calm. Not the war torn city that the administration is attempting to say it is. This information is readily available but would require looking at any news source that isn't a rabid supporter of trump.

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Show me how Federal forces are widespread through the city and not actually just contained to a small area as well.

The left claiming some sort of federal invasion of cities is every bit the hyperbole that they claim Trump is engaging in about the scale of the violent protest problem.

cslifer said:

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"war torn" is defined by the oxford dictionary as "racked or devasted", so no, Portland nor any American city is war torn. Additionally, the people who actually live there don't view it as such.

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Where is the "wore torn" standard in the troop deployment guidlines?

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I very clearly did not say there was no unrest, only that is is greatly exaggerated.

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You also described news outlets describing the unrest as "rabid Trump supporters".

What exactly is being reported that you think is a great exaggeration and who is doing that reporting? What exactly do you believe is occurring?

Do you believe that riots against ICE agents have occurred? Do you believe that the Portland police are acting to their full capacity to protect the ICE agents and to enforce law and order?

How much civil disobedience is permissible? For what government policies is breaking the law permissible?

Did you also believe that the BLM riots were "mostly peaceful"?

I was just pointing out that the reports of how out of control Portland is are greatly overblown. Thank you for agreeing that the issues are confined to a small area, that is all I was trying to say.

Riots. By Marxists. Who want to overthrow this country.

Good, I'm glad you agree that Federal forces are also contained to a small area protecting Federal property and personnel and not engaging in general law enforcement street clean sweeping like countless leftist media sources are trying to insinuate.

I have no idea what they are doing. Believe it or not it is possible to debate without attempting to put words in the other person's mouth. I do however assume you are probably right. I also find it amusing that ICE needs protection from what this board refers to as a "bunch of soy boys"

Most conflicts are fought in small areas. They are known as fronts. Antifa has chosen their front and Trump has engaged them there. The fact that its a relatively small area is completely irrelevant.

Buried in this is statement is still the subjective view about how much crime is required to be considered "out-of-control".

Different people will have different opinions about that. So, claiming that it is not out of control is no more valid that claiming that it is. But when you have a city government and its law enforcement arm refusing to enforce laws, it might be a pretty good indicator of which opinion holds more water....

I'm not putting words in your mouth. I clearly blame the larger "left". I am merely pointing out that the point you are trying to make has an equivalent counter using the same parameters of your own argument.

Oops, replied to the wrong post. SHould be this one:

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I have no idea what they are doing. Believe it or not it is possible to debate without attempting to put words in the other person's mouth. I do however assume you are probably right. I also find it amusing that ICE needs protection from what this board refers to as a "bunch of soy boys"

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Also, ICE only needs protection from soy boys because of the rules of engagement forced upon them. Lift those rules and it would be an entirely different scenario.

The "small area" talking point is getting too much traction and shifting the conversation. Don't let it happen.

There should not even be a small area. The Commies that are constantly attacking Federal facilities and officers should not be allowed to do so.

Don't follow the narrative shift.

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I have no idea what they are doing.

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And therein, lies the problem.

You are ignorant, but it doesn't stop your mouth (fingers) from moving.

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cslifer said:

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I think he is referring to the fact that the protests in Portland are actually contained to a small area and fairly calm. Not the war torn city that the administration is attempting to say it is. This information is readily available but would require looking at any news source that isn't a rabid supporter of trump.

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Show me how Federal forces are widespread through the city and not actually just contained to a small area as well.

The left claiming some sort of federal invasion of cities is every bit the hyperbole that they claim Trump is engaging in about the scale of the violent protest problem.

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Feds are addressing the unrest. If the troops are widespread it's because the terrorist are widespread. Simple as that, so which is it?

Yeah, I don't know why the size of the affected area matters.

Pipe bombs affect only a small area. I guess that the ATF should ignore them?

Snipers affect only a smaller area. Should they be ignored by the Secret Service also?

It's a patently ludicrous point they're trying to make.

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The "small area" talking point is getting too much traction and shifting the conversation. Don't let it happen.

There should not even be a small area. The Commies that are constantly attacking Federal facilities and officers should not be allowed to do so.

Don't follow the narrative shift.

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Chickensuit guy in Portland standing by the fence outside of ICE is just as dangerous as Al Qaeda.

shiftyandquick said:

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CDUB98 said:

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The "small area" talking point is getting too much traction and shifting the conversation. Don't let it happen.

There should not even be a small area. The Commies that are constantly attacking Federal facilities and officers should not be allowed to do so.

Don't follow the narrative shift.

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Chickensuit guy in Portland standing by the fence outside of ICE is just as dangerous as Al Qaeda.

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Moreso. He's violent and he's IN the country.

Your side is assassinating conservatives.

shiftyandquick said:

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CDUB98 said:

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The "small area" talking point is getting too much traction and shifting the conversation. Don't let it happen.

There should not even be a small area. The Commies that are constantly attacking Federal facilities and officers should not be allowed to do so.

Don't follow the narrative shift.

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Chickensuit guy in Portland standing by the fence outside of ICE is just as dangerous as Al Qaeda.

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How do you know they're not Al Qaeda?

cslifer said:

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I think he is referring to the fact that the protests in Portland are actually contained to a small area and fairly calm. Not the war torn city that the administration is attempting to say it is. This information is readily available but would require looking at any news source that isn't a rabid supporter of trump.

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I guess it's calm unless you a federal agent trykng to do your job.

American Hardwood said:

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cslifer said:

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I think he is referring to the fact that the protests in Portland are actually contained to a small area and fairly calm. Not the war torn city that the administration is attempting to say it is. This information is readily available but would require looking at any news source that isn't a rabid supporter of trump.

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Show me how Federal forces are widespread through the city and not actually just contained to a small area as well.

The left claiming some sort of federal invasion of cities is every bit the hyperbole that they claim Trump is engaging in about the scale of the violent protest problem.

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Plenty of pictures like this occurred in DC. So we should naturally expect a similar amount in Portland, right? Guess we will see when our Portland residents and visitors post them from all over the city.

Lets walk through this...

The Insurrection Act is a federal law that gives the U.S. president the power to deploy the military or federalize National Guard troops within the country to suppress rebellion, domestic violence, or insurrection.

Conditions for invoking the act:
The act outlines three primary scenarios in which a president can deploy troops domestically:
1. At a state's request: When a state legislature or governor asks for federal help to quell an insurrection. This is the most common and least controversial use of the act.

2. To uphold federal authority: When rebellion, violence, or unlawful obstruction makes it impossible to enforce federal law through normal judicial means.

3. To protect civil rights: When unlawful actions in a state deprive people of their constitutional rights, and state authorities are unable or unwilling to protect those rights. This provision was notably used during the Civil Rights era to enforce school desegregation

#2 is what was used to invoke the Insurrection Act. The ability of ICE to enter and leave the building is rolled into #2 above and how Trump is invoking the Act. And not being able to fulfill their duties as ICE agents.

The protests outside the ICE facility in Portland have had ONGOING protests/riots for months. Sometimes contentious protests, sometimes outright riots. The people have broken the windows at the facility, assaulted people and property of people trying to enter or leave the facility, and more.

And if you try to claim it is not a riot...

A riot is a public disturbance characterized by a turbulent and violent group of three or more people acting together. It involves either actual acts of violence or the threat of violence that creates a clear danger of damage or injury to people or property.

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I also find it amusing that ICE needs protection from what this board refers to as a "bunch of soy boys"

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It is amusing that marxists are attacking American LEOs who are upholding the laws of the nation?

Since no one is attacking the soy boys, and they aren't authorized to use violence against the soy boys (who are attacking and using violence), I am not sure what is confusing.

ICE is going after criminals. Antifa is attacking ICE. ICE is not at war with Antifa. Antifa is at war with America. There is nothing funny about it.

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Chickensuit guy in Portland standing by the fence outside of ICE is just as dangerous as Al Qaeda.

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He is obstructing justice. That's illegal.

Sorry Trump has upset so many by disrupting the usual corruption.