Porque no los dos?

Real life is often pretty absurd. Sometimes you gotta relax and roll with it.

Liberal emotional fellings interject "inclusion" into the formula.

The same people screaming about "climate change", are "science deniers" when it comes to women's sports.

The same people who felt unsafe around Charlie Kirk, feel safe sitting indian style on the highway to protest.

Liberalism is a mental disorder and the woke mind virus has infected AI. I dont think that will last much longer as eventually the platform that outputs the fact based rational logic, will win. The others with woke PC answers, will lose.

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I'm obviously not going to be convincing anyone here that sex changes are good. But maybe, just maybe, a few people here can see how at least some people are undoubtedly born that way.

I'm not here to "win" but to just try to inject some facts and reason into these generally one-sided discussions.

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I believe you have fallen hook, line and sinker to the propaganda and your intent is to force the propaganda down squishy peoples' throat by repetition.

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But maybe, just maybe, a few people here can see how at least some people are undoubtedly born that way.

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There are certainly hormonal and other anomalies at birth. But the mental condition of gender dysphoria manifests itself later in life, like anorexia and other conditions.

The difference is in diagnosis and treatment. We dont affirm anorexic girls by agreeing they are fat and stapling their stomach. We try to get them the help they need to live with their mental condition.

In the case of trans. They can live life as the opposite sex, but we shouldn't encourage medical procedures that lead to health complications, and we definitely shouldn't punish female athletes. This is where the left and right disagree. These are the hills the left is mostly already dead on.

It's really not confusing. Treat it is as the mental illness that it is and boom, no confusion.

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https://archive.ph/UgTJg

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The problem began with a vaguely worded memo. Last Thursday, Tedd L. Mitchell, chancellor of the Texas Tech University System, instructed the presidents of the five system campuses to ensure that their universities comply with current state and federal laws that "recognize only two human sexes: male and female." He asked them to review "course materials, curricula, syllabi, and other instructional documents," then "make timely adjustments where needed."

That set off a panic. Professors began texting and calling each other, wondering: What does this mean for my teaching and research? Then the Office of the Provost at Texas Tech University, the largest of the five campuses in the system, posted guidance on its web page - only to take it down yesterday.

The chancellor's memo didn't come out of nowhere. Texas has been embroiled in controversies over what professors can say, or teach, about gender identity in the classroom. A viral video of an exchange about gender between a student and instructor led to the firing of the instructor, the removal of two administrators, and the resignation of the president at Texas A&M University at College Station. And Angelo State University, a small campus within the Texas Tech system, has directed instructors not to suggest that there are identities beyond male and female, assigned at birth.

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TL/DR: the party that can't define what a woman is, is now having trouble trying to stick within the bounds of the law.

They see what happened here and they're running scared.

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Good on Tech for Wrecking the left's BS a lot sooner than TAMU did.

Plus, big booster Cody is a super conservative, and he won't put up with that crap either.

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AtomicActuator said:

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I'm obviously not going to be convincing anyone here that sex changes are good. But maybe, just maybe, a few people here can see how at least some people are undoubtedly born that way.

I'm not here to "win" but to just try to inject some facts and reason into these generally one-sided discussions.

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We all know a very very small percentage of people, way smaller of a percentage than the amount of people who claim to be transgender, are born with these genetic abnormalities.

They are not the issue. They are the exception that proves the rule that there are two genders.

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THIS.

They are not functionally some third type. They are a variant or even mutation if you prefer, of the default.

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Different, and yet, still having their lives made more difficult by a world which tries to force them into a single box.

Perhaps an intersex person was assigned female at birth after a coin flip, but then favored male characteristics over time, so dresses male and uses the men's room. Now this person is forced to start using the ladies room in public buildings.

Just seems like something that maybe government could just leave to the people to sort out.

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Intersex persons are not the issue at hand and you know it.

Asked and answered

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No one cares.

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and yet here we are.

But I agree we'd be better off if that were true. Live and let live is one of the best mottos there is.

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Right up until your world view means a mentally ill grown man, whose most pressing issue is no one will let him pee in a stall beside my wife and daughters, is allowed to do so. There are limits you know. Google anarchy.


You also made a statement along the lines of let the people figure it out. Is'nt that exactly what is happening? What do you mean by that?

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Asked and answered

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Did you though?

To your first point, the bathroom bills generally require people to use the restroom associated with their birth certificate. So what that also means is a trans man who's been on testosterone for decades, who's had bottom surgery and has a functioning ***** (clinical term for male sex organ) will be forced by law to use the ladies room. That doesn't seem like what you want either.

To your second question, I mostly mean for the government to stay out of it as much as possible. Private businesses can have their own policies, and trespass people who break those policies, so long as they are clearly stated and reasonable.

It was Obama and his rainbow White House that started all this. The interference from government came from the Dems and top down. And was reinforced multi-fold by the Bidenites. (Biden was in charge of little--only plural describes that shadow government)

I support rolling back some of the trans-centric mandates, but not replacing them with anti-trans mandates.

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To your first point, the bathroom bills generally require people to use the restroom associated with their birth certificate. So what that also means is a trans man who's been on testosterone for decades, who's had bottom surgery and has a functioning ***** (clinical term for male sex organ) will be forced by law to use the ladies room. That doesn't seem like what you want either.

To your second question, I mostly mean for the government to stay out of it as much as possible. Private businesses can have their own policies, and trespass people who break those policies, so long as they are clearly stated and reasonable.

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That lady should be in a mental asylum and not out in public causing us to have to deal with this issue in the first place. That is bat**** crazy.

And there it is. That's why these discussions go in circles, and it's hard to find common ground. In the end you just want to lock them up.

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And there it is. That's why these discussions go in circles, and it's hard to find common ground. In the end you just want to lock them up.

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Uh, yes? That was your first mistake. There is no common ground with Marxists or people who think they are a living Mr. Potato Head toy.

I want them to get treatment. Ideally, we do that through normal therapy channels but if that doesn't work then we need to bring back mental institutions. The left identifies as mentally unstable in very high numbers much more than the rest of us.

They need help.

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And there it is. That's why these discussions go in circles, and it's hard to find common ground. In the end you just want to lock them up.

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I'm not saying lock them up. This is a nuanced subject and blanket statements from either side are not going to resolve the multidude of issues attached. I do believe the person in your example needs mental help.

There are trans folks that need to be locked up, just as there are straight folks that need to be locked up. So lets identify them and lock them up.

If the person in your example is not a criminal and we can assume they can function in society and not harm others, then they should not be be locked up (I have a nephew that fits this bill just to add a little background).

I also believe your lady should use the womens restroom. Surgically placing a piece of flesh on your "bottom" for the sole purpose of altering the path which urine exits the body does not change the fact that she is female. Neither does hair on the face or a strange deep voice in an otherwise feminine (but chemically altered) body.

I empathize with those folks who truly feel out of place. Many of us carry burdens through our lives that reduce our quality of life. There is a bajillion dollar industry in place to help us make it through. Many good churches and orgs as well.

This should be addressed like anything else. If my kid has ADD we acknowledge his brain chemistry is different and we try to get him the help he needs to function as close to normal as possible (I realize normal triggers folks but it is not a cuss word). He has a mental illness as indicated by all accepted diagnostic literatures. If he starts hurting people and lighting buildings on fire, we lock him up.

How is it that a grossly overdiagnosed condition (ADD) is accepted as a mental illness but gender dysphoria is not? It just does not make sense. We are making it worse. We are also making it easier for the people who will do harm to succeed.

Edit because I had an ADD thought come racing back through my rusted brain like #3:

Getting them help means trying to help them feel comfortable, normal as possible (like many normal folks do every day). It does not mean let them have acces to our children through public school libraries. It does not mean let them play sports at a marked and dangerous advantage over the opposite sex. It does not mean they get to parade around for a month half naked (or full naked for that matter) and highly sexualized without criticism and push back from the community. It does not mean you get to call everyone who disagrees a trans-phobe hate monger fascist hitler.

If you actually had real solutions to offer, that would make all those words mean something, but you don't - and for a lot of people, transitioning genders is the only effective treatment.

Ok, you get a quick story time: A child of a good friend of mine had behavioral issues his whole childhood, and could never quite find a groove in life, and though roughly age 25 couldn't find a way to be happy and was on a bad track.

And ultimately they found gender dysphoria at the root of it. And after years of slow transition, he's a she now, and is finally living a good life.

Without that, you'd still have a troubled youth transitioning to middle age, and detaching from society. In other words, a time bomb.

So I don't really care that it gives you the ick, it's more practical solution to a real problem than lifetime involuntary commitment, or leaving these troubled people out there waiting for them to break.

When you find a better treatment option we can talk.

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To your first point, the bathroom bills generally require people to use the restroom associated with their birth certificate. So what that also means is a trans man who's been on testosterone for decades, who's had bottom surgery and has a functioning ***** (clinical term for male sex organ) will be forced by law to use the ladies room. That doesn't seem like what you want either.

To your second question, I mostly mean for the government to stay out of it as much as possible. Private businesses can have their own policies, and trespass people who break those policies, so long as they are clearly stated and reasonable.

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The problem is this woman was put on hormones in the 1st place. She needed real mental health therapy to realize she is a woman and no amount of hormones or surgery will change this.

If she wants to dress like a man fine, but she should still use the women's room because SHE IS A WOMAN

(FTR, not a biologist)

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If you actually had real solutions to offer, that would make all those words mean something, but you don't - and for a lot of people, transitioning genders is the only effective treatment.

Ok, you get a quick story time: A child of a good friend of mine had behavioral issues his whole childhood, and could never quite find a groove in life, and though roughly age 25 couldn't find a way to be happy and was on a bad track.

And ultimately they found gender dysphoria at the root of it. And after years of slow transition, he's a she now, and is finally living a good life.

Without that, you'd still have a troubled youth transitioning to middle age, and detaching from society. In other words, a time bomb.

So I don't really care that it gives you the ick, it's more practical solution to a real problem than lifetime involuntary commitment, or leaving these troubled people out there waiting for them to break.

When you find a better treatment option we can talk.

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no it's not. Study after study conducted long before the madness that's been unleashed in the last few years shows that 95+% of them are gay, not trans.

actually, it's a lie and you know it. Whose sock are you posting under just so we know who we are dealing with and likely had to refute this false claims previously?

Atomic...

So, you are the one who will not engage but instead refuse to acknowledge other viewpoints. I swear you just accused someone else of this not too far up the thread. You want to mask your real feelings about people who disagree with you with words like "ick".

I have no issue with an adult who wants to sow something or cut something off their bottom and take drugs to alter their body. I just do not want them in the wrong bathroom with my kids. I do not want them playing sports with the wrong sex. I do not want them having acces to my young childs brain at a public school. The internet is enough, thank you.

Im not a Dr so I am not going to outline a line of treatment here. I DID say there is a Bajillion dollar industry already in place to help people who struggle in life make it. I did give solutions. I also gave examples of things I wholly disagree with. You can't process both so I am stepping out. I have very personal experience with this as well. I can guarantee you I am more than motivated to understand the issues and try and help.

If you are the person you reference, please get help. Please know there are people who may not agree with you that care and will help you. The majority of people who disgaree with you do not have a "lock em all up" mentality.

If you are who you say you are maybe take a look in the mirror.

If you are a troll piss off.

The idea that who you are sexually attracted to defines your gender is a modern *******ization of reality.

That was all true, but obviously I can't prove anything without doxing someone, so it is what it is. But I'm going to piss off from this thread nonetheless so I don't get in trouble.

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That was all true, but obviously I can't prove anything without doxing someone, so it is what it is. But I'm going to piss off from this thread nonetheless so I don't get in trouble.

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I have no issue with the 25 yo doing what they want with their body just to be clear.

But I guess you prefer to ignore that in at leat 2 other posts I posted in this thread and instead implied I was a closed minded bigot. Ick...

Peace.

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That was all true, but obviously I can't prove anything without doxing someone, so it is what it is. But I'm going to piss off from this thread nonetheless so I don't get in trouble.

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I have no issue with the 25 yo doing what they want with their body just to be clear.

But I guess you prefer to ignore that in at leat 2 other posts I posted in this thread and instead implied I was a closed minded bigot. Ick...

Peace.

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you should. It creates lifetime patients that we all get to pay for through our health insurance premiums.

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I notice his memo was careful to say "....only two human sexes....".

You know, because as we all understand, the animal kingdom has long considered there to be more than two sexes in their species.

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Even if you believe that sex and gender are immutable characteristics, intersex humans exist and always have, and are well documented. There's a huge amount of variation that is possible, including uncommon chromosomal situations other than the typical XX and XY.

Maybe you just categorize that as a type of birth defect, but the fact is, God made them without an identifiable sex, at least not among the two common sexes.

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Sure, but that's still different than dudes cutting their dicks off because they are mentally insane. Most of these people need to be in an asylum.

The intersex folks are a different thing altogether.

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The intersex folks are a different thing.

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If your "research" is affected by this, then it's not worth a damn. Just a heads up.

Go do something beneficial for society for a change.

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That was my first thought. If this worries you at all as a professor, your subject and curriculum is a bunch of horse **** anyway.

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horse**** is useful.

HTH.

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AtomicActuator said:

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That was all true, but obviously I can't prove anything without doxing someone, so it is what it is. But I'm going to piss off from this thread nonetheless so I don't get in trouble.

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I have no issue with the 25 yo doing what they want with their body just to be clear.

But I guess you prefer to ignore that in at leat 2 other posts I posted in this thread and instead implied I was a closed minded bigot. Ick...

Peace.

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you should. It creates lifetime patients that we all get to pay for through our health insurance premiums.

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I did not say I want to pay for adult elective procedures. I said I have no issue with adults changing their stuff.

As mentioned in my initial post on this thread, this a complex issue with many questions that need attention.

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Banish it. No need to struggle.

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Yep has no business at Tech or any state school unless its to study transgenderism's role in violent mental illness; because there damn sure seems to be a correlation. These people are shooting up schools, kids, etc and it has to top.

Transgenderism should be banned because it is undebatable that there are only two genders. If their "research" is impacted, then it's worth nothing.