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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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They gave the United States a free jet.

But you already knew that...

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Anything to defend dear leader.

Imagine every "Trump" in this thread is "Biden". Then re-read it. Imagine it. I'm ****ing serious, do it.

Fast forward three years....

And the Department of Defense has decided to donate the jet to Donald J Trump's Presidential Library Foundation as it would make a great addition to his legacy as the Greatest President every.

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Fast forward three years....

And the Department of Defense has decided to donate the jet to Donald J Trump's Presidential Library Foundation as it would make a great addition to his legacy as the Greatest President every.

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Where have you seen this outside of an poorly sourced ABC article from before the deal was announced?

And let the Trump hate continue to flow from your fingers to the keys. Just maybe give up on the shtick that you have come around on Trump. Spreading misinformation on Trump indicates you would like another round of Biden.

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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They gave the United States a free jet.

But you already knew that...

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Anything to defend dear leader.

Imagine every "Trump" in this thread is "Biden". Then re-read it. Imagine it. I'm ****ing serious, do it.

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But Biden didn't do this. Evidently he either lost the note card that says he should do this or he was fine taking the 35yo planes to Rehoboth every weekend.

For me, I am thankful for a LEADER who acts in our Country's interest first by strengthening our military, strategic assets and strategic partners.

Its a shame others cannot find themselves to root for Team USA just because Orange Man hurts their feelz.

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So who is attacking Qatar other than Israel?

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Iran has threatened to, and believe did recently by proxy.

Aside -- this brings to mind something forgot -- do we have a similar extension already in place for Kuwait? What followed the Gulf War?

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Where have you seen this outside of an poorly sourced ABC article from before the deal was announced?

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From President Trump himself during a press conference?

WTF man , , ,

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Where have you seen this outside of an poorly sourced ABC article from before the deal was announced?

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From President Trump himself during a press conference?

WTF man , , ,

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" The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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Nobody gave Trump a free jet.

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Whatever helps you sleep. Everyone else can see what this is.

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Nobody gave Trump a free jet.

Those drinking from the MSM spigot of misinformation, lies and piss poor assumptions pretend it was Qatar bribing Trump with a jet. Even though it quite clearly went to the air force and it is ILLEGAL for Trump to personally accept any gifts from foreign powers.

And even a basic knowledge of our relations with Qatar shows how even a newish 747 jet is peanuts compared to what we extract from Qatar on an annual basis.

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It also ignores the REAL quid pro quo regarding the jet.

To review:

Qatar had a brand new plane on order with Boeing, bought & paid for. The US also had a new AF1 on order with Boeing, and it was in priority position to be manufactured - meaning Qatar was going to have to wait for their new toy.

They had an older model they didn't want any more, so they offered it to the US in order to get their plane bumped up in line.

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Qatar had a brand new plane on order with Boeing, bought & paid for. The US also had a new AF1 on order with Boeing, and it was in priority position to be manufactured - meaning Qatar was going to have to wait for their new toy.

They had an older model they didn't want any more, so they offered it to the US in order to get their plane bumped up in line.

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That would be a brilliant maneuver except that Boeing is still building the Air Force One order so Qatar is still in the back of the line.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2025/06/16/boeing-air-force-one-work-continues-amid-furor-over-qatar-plane/

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PARIS A top Boeing executive said the company is proceeding with work on a contract to build two new Air Force One jets amid a pending deal by President Donald Trump to accept a donated jet for the mission from Qatar.

Stephen Parker, Boeing's interim president and chief executive officer, told reporters at the Paris Air Show there had been "no impact at all" on the firm's assignment of transforming a pair of 747-8 aircraft into VC-25B Air Force One planes.

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You kids spend way too much time with your AntiOrange color d glasses on.

Trump is not keeping the plane. He suggested it "could" end up at his library. But that he would absolutely NOT be using it after he is out of office. Did you watch your own poorly attempted gotcha fail?

Oh, and keep in mind that ALL gifts to a POTUS are property of the United States. So even at his library, it would be federal property at a federal site under federal administration… in perpetuity.

If you have ever been to the Bush library in College Station, there is a gold door from Kuwait. Given gold is hovering near $4k/oz, that door may be worth as much of as a Qatari 747.

Let's recap. The plane was not given to Trump. It was given to the American people. The Air Force took possession to retrofit as AF1 as the Biden admin failed to manage Boeings project to deliver new AF1s. If at the end of Trumps term the new planes are ready and this one is redundant, Trump would consider having it at the library that bears his name, where he will not fly on it and it will be housed and maintained by NARA.

See how easy it is just to stick with the facts?

Sure looks like an EOT clarification.

We have tons of big planes. Hard to see another airliner leading to an entire change in foreign policy with all the expensive and unexpected strings that implies. The premise seems faulty even as presented.

We shall see. He's keeping it.

anywho, back to the original topic. I think it's a nothingburger that won't come to anything and was just done for show to quell tensions.

How about No.

I thought the two new birds were already built and are in the kitting out process in San Antone. Boeing I assume is involved still. The Qatari plane is also in San Antonio.

Trump saves the Country tons of money, corrects a Biden issue and still people want to say he is doing something wrong.

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I thought the two new birds were already built and are in the kitting out process in San Antone. Boeing I assume is involved still. The Qatari plane is also in San Antonio.

Trump saves the Country tons of money, corrects a Biden issue and still people want to say he is doing something wrong.

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No . . . the new ones were supposed to be delivered but Boeing has had multiple delays and is hoping to deliver by 2027 in the best case but 2029 in reality per most people that watch the project.

The two waiting to come online were greenlighted in 2009 and Boeing was chosen as the manufacturer in 2015. Work did not start until 2020 with an initial delivery date of 2024 which has come and gone obviously.

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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They gave the United States a free jet.

But you already knew that...

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Anything to defend dear leader.

Imagine every "Trump" in this thread is "Biden". Then re-read it. Imagine it. I'm ****ing serious, do it.

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Please point out where I was wrong.

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I thought the two new birds were already built and are in the kitting out process in San Antone. Boeing I assume is involved still. The Qatari plane is also in San Antonio.

Trump saves the Country tons of money, corrects a Biden issue and still people want to say he is doing something wrong.

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According to Google AI, delivery is now set for 2029 for the two new jets...

In 2018, the U.S. Air Force awarded Boeing a fixed-price contract worth $3.9 billion to build two new Air Force One planes, VC-25B, to replace the current fleet with the new Boeing 747-8 aircraft, but the project has since faced significant delays and cost overruns, with current estimates for the aircraft's readiness shifting from 2024 to at least 2029 and the total cost rising to $5.6 billion.

The actual aircraft, at least the first of the two, has been in San Antonio since 2020. We may have different understandings of what a built aircraft is, but if it can fly I consider Boeing's work to have been substantially completed. Certainly any jockeying of the production line for Boeing as another poster alluded to is not possible as the aircraft rolled of the production line in 2019.

Now, a real question should be asked what is taking 7 years now maybe up to 9 years to complete the "transformation" into AF1.

Another example of why AI is a lazy man's tool. Final delivery in 2029 maybe 2027 but much of the last couple of years will be flight testing and fancy paint and finishes. But the planes were "delivered" by Boeing years ago and thus no Qatari plane shuffling had anything to do with Boeing production lines / delivery of other orders.

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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They gave the United States a free jet.

But you already knew that...

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Anything to defend dear leader.

Imagine every "Trump" in this thread is "Biden". Then re-read it. Imagine it. I'm ****ing serious, do it.

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It would still be given to the US Air Force, and anyone with common sense and no TDS knows TRUMP DID NOT GET A JET.

Mark Levin is not liking this. His show is describing how Qatar even now is harboring an Islamist - Yousef al Kawadawi - who is organizing a world wide capture by demographics ("dawa") of Europe and America. Considered the # 1 religious figure in Qatar currently.

* spelling uncertain -- phonetic spelled ----heard from radio.

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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Nobody gave Trump a free jet.

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You are right they gave it to the govt. and in return the us govt is providing "article v" like protection to the entity that gifted the us govt a jet.

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What you are describing is a concept known as diplomacy.

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1 plane for a complete backing of the us military…. Not exactly an equal trade but maybe Qatar ALSO offered trump a chance with that Al Janoub Stadium. He's been wanting grab that stadium ever since it was built

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Not only that, they had reportedly been trying to sell the jet for the last few years and couldn't find any buyers.

Bad move. The way to push back on Israel is to treat it like a normal country. No special military assistance, no more intelligence sharing than a normal ally.

Providing more guarantees to other countries drags us into further military costs at the expense of Americans

Here's a Qatar, call someone who cares.

Levin pointed out that such a guarantee hasn't even been extended to Taiwan or Israel. (Mildly suprising, but it sure makes the point)

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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Nobody gave Trump a free jet.

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Trump gets to keep the jet for himself after his term as president is over. That is why people are saying Qatar gave Trump a free jet.

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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Nobody gave Trump a free jet.

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Trump gets to keep the jet for himself after his term as president is over. That is why people are saying Qatar gave Trump a free jet.

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That's what I understand. And to boot the Russians have offered free fuel and the Chinese have agreed to cover the maintenance in perpetuity.

It's crazy Trump can get away with this!

Or you could read the thread and understand there has been some "discussion" as to whether it can go to the library operated by NARA or it may be retained in the service of the USAF.

But it did not, cannot become the personal property of Trump.

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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Nobody gave Trump a free jet.

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Trump gets to keep the jet for himself after his term as president is over. That is why people are saying Qatar gave Trump a free jet.

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No. He doesn't. It MIGHT be at his library.

But, it won't belong to him.

We should protect anyone we choose if it is in our strategic interests to do so at the time. The rest of the world doesn't operate completely independently of us, or with no consequence to us. We ignore it at our ultimate peril. We might as well assert ourselves if it in in our interests to do so, to forestall the day when enough of the world together might impose itself upon us. That day may yet come if we aren't vigilant.

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We should protect anyone we choose if it is in our strategic interests to do so at the time. The rest of the world doesn't operate completely independently of us, or with no consequence to us. We ignore it at our ultimate peril. We might as well assert ourselves if it in in our interests to do so, to forestall the day when enough of the world together might impose itself upon us. That day may yet come if we aren't vigilant.

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How do you feel about letting Taiwan have nukes and just simplifying the standoff? Its what partly saves Israel. Certainly preserves North Korea.

But anti attack guarantees can be tricky --- as you know WW I was caused more by alliances/obligations than actual vested interests of many of the actors.

Give Trump a jet and he will send American troops to protect your country. What a deal.

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This is really something.

Trump has signed an executive order basically pledging Article 5-esque security guarantees to Qatar. pic.twitter.com/JDBrMJhGAU

— Aaron Blake (@AaronBlake) October 1, 2025

I don't like this. I'm guessing he's trying to smooth over tensions after the attack by Israel, but geez. The expansion of power is getting ridiculous.

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Do these security guarantees include us going into Qatar to kill Hamas to protect Qatar from terrorists?

It'll be fun to bump this thread when Trump claims the plane is some "mobile presidential library" that flies him all over or some other BS.

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We should protect anyone we choose if it is in our strategic interests to do so at the time. The rest of the world doesn't operate completely independently of us, or with no consequence to us. We ignore it at our ultimate peril. We might as well assert ourselves if it in in our interests to do so, to forestall the day when enough of the world together might impose itself upon us. That day may yet come if we aren't vigilant.

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How do you feel about letting Taiwan have nukes and just simplifying the standoff? Its what partly saves Israel. Certainly preserves North Korea.

But anti attack guarantees can be tricky --- as you know WW I was caused more by alliances/obligations than actual vested interests of many of the actors.

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I think in this case, it is a calculation that the odds of having to actually enforce this are very low, and ultimately, we still decide if we will keep our treaty. In exchange we are more firmly securing a major regional base and making it abundantly clear to others it will be aggressively protected in depth. That gives us a secure strategic position that lets us effectively use the credible implied threat of power to reach our goals with very low odds of having to actually exercise it.

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It'll be fun to bump this thread when Trump claims the plane is some "mobile presidential library" that flies him all over or some other BS.

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I mean Bush 41 got a fancy UP locomotive to carry him around. What's the difference?