This is really something.

Trump has signed an executive order basically pledging Article 5-esque security guarantees to Qatar. pic.twitter.com/JDBrMJhGAU

— Aaron Blake (@AaronBlake) October 1, 2025

I don't like this. I'm guessing he's trying to smooth over tensions after the attack by Israel, but geez. The expansion of power is getting ridiculous.

GeorgiAg said:

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This is really something.

Trump has signed an executive order basically pledging Article 5-esque security guarantees to Qatar. pic.twitter.com/JDBrMJhGAU

— Aaron Blake (@AaronBlake) October 1, 2025

I don't like this. I'm guessing he's trying to smooth over tensions after the attack by Israel, but geez. The expansion of power is getting ridiculous.

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Moving parts and pieces to have key access to bases around the world. In a singular contex this may not seem all that great, but in the context of power projection makes total sense.

He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

trip said:

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

We've had an uneasy agreement with Qatar for a long while.

There's no easy way to navigate global peace with simpleton nations

NeverSeenEmWin said:

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trip said:

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

HTownAg98 said:

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NeverSeenEmWin said:

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trip said:

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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Hey, at least we now know American protection can be bought with a jet.

He's saying "We'll destroy Israeli assets if they come after Hamas in Qatar again". Astoundingly awful move.

More entangling alliances

AGROAg88 said:

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He's saying "We'll destroy Israeli assets if they come after Hamas in Qatar again". Astoundingly awful move.

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LOL.

Let me tell you what is not going to happen....



This is Trump helping Qatar save face after the Israel incursion and Iran "retaliation". As a diplomatic move, I think its great.

HTownAg98 said:

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NeverSeenEmWin said:

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trip said:

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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You're telling me that a free jet DOESNT come with "no strings attached"?!

Hasn't Qatar also been threatened by Iran? I don't think this just applies to some Israeli ward-off.

A little ambivalent about extending such guarantees but it really depends on what getting in return. Could be worth it, especially in the diplomatic arena. It is not especially risky, just a bit much.

HTownAg98 said:

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NeverSeenEmWin said:

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trip said:

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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Nobody gave Trump a free jet.

I freaking love Qatar, but this isn't America first. We should protect literally no one

In lib / TDS world, facts and details like the 747 being give to US Air Force and not Trump are to be ignored as they don't support their Kimmel / Colbert stinging jokes.

They also conveniently ignore that Trump got Qatar to invest another $10 billion in our base there and provides hundreds of millions in annual support for the base.

But a shiny gently used 747 is evidently all it took for Trump to change policy and pledge his undying allegiance to the Qataris.

Trump Delusionment Syndrome is a sick, twisted condition.

B-1 83 said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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NeverSeenEmWin said:

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trip said:

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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Nobody gave Trump a free jet.

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You are right they gave it to the govt. and in return the us govt is providing "article v" like protection to the entity that gifted the us govt a jet.

zag213004 said:

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B-1 83 said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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NeverSeenEmWin said:

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trip said:

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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Nobody gave Trump a free jet.

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You are right they gave it to the govt. and in return the us govt is providing "article v" like protection to the entity that gifted the us govt a jet.

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What you are describing is a concept known as diplomacy.

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zag213004 said:

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B-1 83 said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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NeverSeenEmWin said:

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trip said:

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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Nobody gave Trump a free jet.

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You are right they gave it to the govt. and in return the us govt is providing "article v" like protection to the entity that gifted the us govt a jet.

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What you are describing is a concept known as diplomacy.

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1 plane for a complete backing of the us military…. Not exactly an equal trade but maybe Qatar ALSO offered trump a chance with that Al Janoub Stadium. He's been wanting grab that stadium ever since it was built

So who is attacking Qatar other than Israel?

zag213004 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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zag213004 said:

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B-1 83 said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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NeverSeenEmWin said:

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trip said:

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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Nobody gave Trump a free jet.

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You are right they gave it to the govt. and in return the us govt is providing "article v" like protection to the entity that gifted the us govt a jet.

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What you are describing is a concept known as diplomacy.

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1 plane for a complete backing of the us military…. Not exactly an equal trade but maybe Qatar ALSO offered trump a chance with that Al Janoub Stadium. He's been wanting grab that stadium ever since it was built

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What would make the trade equal? The $10 billion they are investing directly into Al Udeid?

I understand Trump to be a bit more strategic and intelligent than to trade protection for a shiny plane, but those suffering from TDS like to make the simple accusations never understanding bigger pictures.

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So who is attacking Qatar other than Israel?

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Exactly. Though Iran lobbed a few missiles at Qatar in the most recent dust up with Israel.

Queso1 said:

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So who is attacking Qatar other than Israel?

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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdjxdgjpd48o


Who was going to attack Kuwait, until someone did? (Iraq)

B-1 83 said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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NeverSeenEmWin said:

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trip said:

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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Nobody gave Trump a free jet.

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Whatever helps you sleep. Everyone else can see what this is.

ETFan said:

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B-1 83 said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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NeverSeenEmWin said:

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trip said:

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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Nobody gave Trump a free jet.

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Whatever helps you sleep. Everyone else can see what this is.

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Nobody gave Trump a free jet.

Those drinking from the MSM spigot of misinformation, lies and piss poor assumptions pretend it was Qatar bribing Trump with a jet. Even though it quite clearly went to the air force and it is ILLEGAL for Trump to personally accept any gifts from foreign powers.

And even a basic knowledge of our relations with Qatar shows how even a newish 747 jet is peanuts compared to what we extract from Qatar on an annual basis.

HTownAg98 said:

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NeverSeenEmWin said:

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trip said:

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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He should have asked for two

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So who is attacking Qatar other than Israel?

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Iran.

Example #48,698 if you replaced the name Trump with Biden most on this board would literally be picking up pitchforks and marching on the White House.

But it's not a cult.

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B-1 83 said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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NeverSeenEmWin said:

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trip said:

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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Nobody gave Trump a free jet.

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Whatever helps you sleep. Everyone else can see what this is.

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Well, Trump doesn't own a 747, but the DoD now has an extra one they didn't have on 01/19/2025.

So, sounds like we're right and you're delusional.

I do wonder how enforceable an EO like this can be. It appears to be binding the US to potential significant military action, almost like a min NATO treaty. I know the War Powers Act is pretty murky and often honored in the breach more than in fact, but at first blush I'd think something like this should require the advice and consent of the Senate.

maybe, just maybe, whomever is suggesting this is a good idea knows more than we do? or, yea, he's offering the full force of our military in exchange for a jet. imma give him the benefit of the doubt on account of him having a pretty good record of being a relatively pro-America president.

B-1 83 said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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NeverSeenEmWin said:

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trip said:

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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Nobody gave Trump a free jet.

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ChatGPT:

What is the jet?

• Qatar has offered a Boeing 7478 luxury aircraft to the United States. Wikipedia+3Reuters+3ABC News+3
• The jet is registered as N7478D, and was formerly part of Qatar's Amiri Flight fleet. Wikipedia+1

What are the U.S. plans for it?
[ol]

Use as Air Force One

• The U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) has accepted the jet as a gift from Qatar, and the Air Force is being tasked with retrofitting it for presidential use. Le Monde.fr+5Reuters+5ABC News+5
• The retrofitting process includes installing security systems, upgraded communications, and defensive countermeasures (to resist espionage, missile threats, etc.). TIME+5Reuters+5Reuters+5
• The Air Force Secretary has estimated the retrofit will cost less than $400 million, though some critics believe the real cost could exceed $1 billion. ABC News+4Reuters+4The Washington Post+4
• The timeframe is uncertain; modifications are expected to take years. Reuters+3Wikipedia+3The Washington Post+3

Ownership and future disposition

• The agreement from Qatar is described as an "unconditional donation," meaning there are no explicit strings on how the U.S. must use or dispose of the jet, as long as any use complies with U.S. laws. Reuters+3ABC News+3The Washington Post+3
• The memorandum of understanding (MOU) between Qatar and the U.S. gives the Department of Defense the discretion to decide usage or disposal in the future. ABC News+1
• There is a provision that after President Trump leaves office, the jet could be transferred to his presidential library foundation. This has been reported in statements by critics and in some planning documents. The Washington Post+3Common Cause+3ABC News+3

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You know he's gonna take it with him when he goes.

is aandm still in quatar?

I still think this is just puffing by Trump to smooth tensions over the strike by Israel. The jet certainly doesn't hurt the relationship.

Claude! said:

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I do wonder how enforceable an EO like this can be. It appears to be binding the US to potential significant military action, almost like a min NATO treaty. I know the War Powers Act is pretty murky and often honored in the breach more than in fact, but at first blush I'd think something like this should require the advice and consent of the Senate.

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It is not a treaty, so it does not bind the US to anything.

There are some VERY significant "small" differences from NATO Art. 5.

QEO: The United States shall regard any armed attack on the territory, sovereignty, or critical infrastructure of the State of Qatar as a threat to the peace and security of the United States

NATO: The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all

QEO: In the event of such an attack, the United States shall take all lawful and appropriate measures including diplomatic, economic, and, if necessary, military to defend the interests of the United States and of the State of Qatar and to restore peace and stability

NATO: will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

HTownAg98 said:

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NeverSeenEmWin said:

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trip said:

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He never wants to go to war so this sounds like a weak promise. Like Clinton's promise to defend Ukraine that Biden took a pass on.

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To you this obligation is okay because you think the President will break it?

We had basing in Qatar for decades without this measure. This is not a state we can fully trust with this promise, and I don't like the possibility that Qatar might have simply paid someone to secure itwhich is their primary means of getting anything done.

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Something like giving Trump a free jet?

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They gave the United States a free jet.

But you already knew that...