Question about the government shutdown.

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Juan Lee Pettimore
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Is it solely about providing health care for illegals? Is that the only issue? Is it that black and white or is it more nuanced? I have a hard time believing the left would openly say that they want to shut down the government because we won't fund illegal's healthcare, when they just got annihilated in the presidential election, mainly on the issue of immigration.

And if so, is there ANY way we cave, like we ALWAYS do and agree to use American tax payer money to fund healthcare for illegals? If so, I can positively say that I will never vote again for. Republican.
aggiepanic95
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That + funding for NPR and funding for USAID for gender studies in Burma and LBGTQ+ folk dancing in Antigua.
Juan Lee Pettimore
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lol, but seriously, is there stuff like an that also at issue or is it solely healthcare for illegals?
samurai_science
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Juan Lee Pettimore said:

I have a hard time believing the left would openly say that they want to shut down the government because we won't fund illegal's healthcare,



Why? They are literally saying it. We can live without the fed gov for a while, trust me.
dvldog
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Here's what I understand:

This is a 7-week CR to keep the gov open while they continue to hammer out appropriations bills for an actual FY2026 budget. The CR keeps spending at current levels - the R side didn't add any of their new priorities in there.

The D side is wanting to add new funding for over $1T in spending, including things that were included in the BBB as well as things that were recently taken away in the rescissions bill over the past month or two. Instead of continuing to negotiate those things in committees, they're trying to use this 7-week stopgap bill (which, again, doesn't add any additional money for either side's new priorities) to force new spending.

FYI: "Free healthcare for illegals" was something addressed in the BBB (adding new requirements to verify immigration status, prevent states from using federal funds to provide Medicaid benefits to undocumented immigrants, penalize states that use their own funds to cover non-citizens who are otherwise ineligible for Medicaid). These are the types of things the D side is wanting for their vote on the CR (along with the things aggiepanic95 stated above - those weren't jokes).

ETA: what Schumer is trying to push in public is extension of Obamacare subsidies that were passed in 2021 during COVID, which are set to expire at the end of the year. I believe those subsidies were passed with only D support, and they set them to expire at the end of this year. The R side's position is that COVID is over, the subsidies are no longer needed, and Obamacare is a total disaster that didn't garner a single R vote and if it's too expensive and requires subsidies to make it less unaffordable, the only option is to repeal/replace.

They're trying to cram a lot into this stopgap CR that belongs in the committees by holding the shutdown over everyone's heads. They are overplaying their hand here, as the Rs welcome the shutdown at this point.
Queso1
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It's about our Congress not passing a budget in decades. Hth
I will no longer discuss politics with you. I reject your premises and world view. I am finished trying to compromise with you.
japantiger
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I don't care. Not another dime...shut it down. We'll survive. Use the shutdown to cut a million government jobs and any program possible.
Pondering65
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japantiger said:

I don't care. Not another dime...shut it down. We'll survive. Use the shutdown to cut a million government jobs and any program possible.
and don't pay the back pay when it resumes…that will stop the bull crap of it not meaning anything
Pizza
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Government "****down"
javajaws
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"Shutting down the government" (or the threat of) has become part of partisan politics. You can expect this to happen yearly from now until forever. If its not healthcare for illegals, it will be something else, then something else again the next time. Rinse and repeat to score as many political points as possible for yourself.
jrdaustin
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ETA: what Schumer is trying to push in public is extension of Obamacare subsidies that were passed in 2021 during COVID, which are set to expire at the end of the year. I believe those subsidies were passed with only D support, and they set them to expire at the end of this year. The R side's position is that COVID is over, the subsidies are no longer needed, and Obamacare is a total disaster that didn't garner a single R vote and if it's too expensive and requires subsidies to make it less unaffordable, the only option is to repeal/replace.

It seems to me that the real reason that Schumer is pushing extension of the Obamacare subsidies has been missed by the analysts.

The Obamacare subsidies are a vital piece of the puzzle in implementing the Democrat holy grail... A Single payor healthcare system.

Removing income caps from Obamacare results in more individuals choosing to go that route in order to get the subsidy. After some time, it becomes an entitlement, and permanent. But, it will cost money, and the argument will shift to what can be done to make ends meet. Voila, let's eliminate private insurance, and force everyone into a government funded healtcare system a la Canada.

THAT'S the Trojan Horse in this provision.

It cannot be agreed to, so shut it down.
titan
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jrdaustin said:

ETA: what Schumer is trying to push in public is extension of Obamacare subsidies that were passed in 2021 during COVID, which are set to expire at the end of the year. I believe those subsidies were passed with only D support, and they set them to expire at the end of this year. The R side's position is that COVID is over, the subsidies are no longer needed, and Obamacare is a total disaster that didn't garner a single R vote and if it's too expensive and requires subsidies to make it less unaffordable, the only option is to repeal/replace.

It seems to me that the real reason that Schumer is pushing extension of the Obamacare subsidies has been missed by the analysts.

The Obamacare subsidies are a vital piece of the puzzle in implementing the Democrat holy grail... A Single payor healthcare system.

Removing income caps from Obamacare results in more individuals choosing to go that route in order to get the subsidy. After some time, it becomes an entitlement, and permanent. But, it will cost money, and the argument will shift to what can be done to make ends meet. Voila, let's eliminate private insurance, and force everyone into a government funded healtcare system a la Canada.

THAT'S the Trojan Horse in this provision.

Are Vance, Trump, and the new right Republicans aware of this you think? They need to not buckle.
Ramdiesel
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jrdaustin said:

ETA: what Schumer is trying to push in public is extension of Obamacare subsidies that were passed in 2021 during COVID, which are set to expire at the end of the year. I believe those subsidies were passed with only D support, and they set them to expire at the end of this year. The R side's position is that COVID is over, the subsidies are no longer needed, and Obamacare is a total disaster that didn't garner a single R vote and if it's too expensive and requires subsidies to make it less unaffordable, the only option is to repeal/replace.

It seems to me that the real reason that Schumer is pushing extension of the Obamacare subsidies has been missed by the analysts.

The Obamacare subsidies are a vital piece of the puzzle in implementing the Democrat holy grail... A Single payor healthcare system.

Removing income caps from Obamacare results in more individuals choosing to go that route in order to get the subsidy. After some time, it becomes an entitlement, and permanent. But, it will cost money, and the argument will shift to what can be done to make ends meet. Voila, let's eliminate private insurance, and force everyone into a government funded healtcare system a la Canada.

THAT'S the Trojan Horse in this provision.

It cannot be agreed to, so shut it down.


Yeah, it gives DEMs the talking point that millions of Americans healthcare cost will double if this isn't funded...They finally found something related to policy to talk about, and not just "Orange man bad"...

They are really going to harp on this and milk it for weeks.
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japantiger said:

I don't care. Not another dime...shut it down. We'll survive. Use the shutdown to cut a million government jobs and any program possible.

Right here.

This is the way
FireAg
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It blows my mind that the D's are choosing the "we want to extend free healthcare benefits to illegals" hill to die on…
Sq 17
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Queso1 said:

It's about our Congress not passing a budget in decades. Hth

Not passing a budget in a timely manner If the Congress had the 14 appropriations bills ready and almost every Republican voted yes the budget could be passed with Zero D votes

A CR requires 60 to end debate ( filibuster )
usmcbrooks
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FireAg said:

It blows my mind that the D's are choosing the "we want to extend free healthcare benefits to illegals" hill to die on…


It shouldn't.
ABATTBQ87
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japantiger said:

I don't care. Not another dime...shut it down. We'll survive. Use the shutdown to cut a million government jobs and any program possible.

Amen!!!! Shut it down and terminate as many as possible, just like those morons on the left wanted to kill the coal industry
doubledog
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Rule 1 : It is always about the next election.
Rule 2 : It is always about the money.
Rule 3 : Rule 1 and 2 are interchangeable.
G Martin 87
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titan said:

jrdaustin said:

ETA: what Schumer is trying to push in public is extension of Obamacare subsidies that were passed in 2021 during COVID, which are set to expire at the end of the year. I believe those subsidies were passed with only D support, and they set them to expire at the end of this year. The R side's position is that COVID is over, the subsidies are no longer needed, and Obamacare is a total disaster that didn't garner a single R vote and if it's too expensive and requires subsidies to make it less unaffordable, the only option is to repeal/replace.

It seems to me that the real reason that Schumer is pushing extension of the Obamacare subsidies has been missed by the analysts.

The Obamacare subsidies are a vital piece of the puzzle in implementing the Democrat holy grail... A Single payor healthcare system.

Removing income caps from Obamacare results in more individuals choosing to go that route in order to get the subsidy. After some time, it becomes an entitlement, and permanent. But, it will cost money, and the argument will shift to what can be done to make ends meet. Voila, let's eliminate private insurance, and force everyone into a government funded healtcare system a la Canada.

THAT'S the Trojan Horse in this provision.

Are Vance, Trump, and the new right Republicans aware of this you think? They need to not buckle.
They're aware. The Dems have never been secretive that the ultimate goal of Obamacare was to create and accelerate a private health insurance death spiral that would leave government funded single payer as the only alternative.
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