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Claude! said:

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If it complies with content-neutral noise ordnances and is done by private parties, it's likely legal. Not much different than ringing church bells.

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• City Noise Ordinance:
  Dearborn's noise ordinance specifies that the use of loudspeakers between 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. violates city regulations.

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Thanks. Looking at the ordnance, there's a specific prohibition on using loudspeakers from 10p to 7a in a manner that creates a noise disturbance. Noise disturbance doesn't appear to be a specifically defined term, but I would assume that a noise that registers above the decibel levels defined in 13-44 of the ordnance (which vary by location and type of noise) would be considered a noise disturbance.


Assuming that the call to prayer registers above the decibel limit at the listener's property line, it would be a violation of the noise ordnances. In theory, Dearborn could adjust its noise ordnances to exempt religious noises (NYC has apparently done so), though I wonder if that would run afoul of a potential challenge as not being content-neutral. Probably easier solution for Dearborn would be to adjust the nighttime hours to allow for the 6a call to prayer to fall under the daylight rules.

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Captain Pablo said:

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EDIT - not Government PA. Apparently a mosque

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You would think that there would be some sort of noise ordinance being violated if its coming from a private entity.

Regardless, a 6am broadcast is ridiculous.

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Assuming this is within the last couple of days, "night" ends at 5:54 am for Dearborn.

Astronautical twilight which is basically night (you can see lots of stars) goes from 5:50-6:24.
Nautical twilight goes from 6:24-6:56
Civil twilight: 6:56-7:24
Sunrise: 7:24

Judging by the sky in the video I would guess it was nautical twilight, therefore between 6:24-6:56, and thus within the city ordinance of 6:00am

Edit: I misread. If 7:00am is the minimum time then if it is based on a couple of days ago they likely would be violating the noise ordinance

I would invest in this setup

and play Slayer tunes at the same time and same volume.

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This is a real thing

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Vepp said:

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This needs to stop. Disturbing the peace? Separation of church and state? Violating religious liberty? What are we doing america???

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We're committing cultural suicide. Obviously.

Postmodernists shoved an ideology that we could enjoy greater fruits as a heterogeneous secular society than as a homogeneous Christian nation.

"Diversity is our strength"
"Separation of church and state"
"You don't talk about religion or politics"
Etc

Large portions of our populous abandoned Christianity, and ostensible conservatives helped to import peoples with no reasonable expectation of conforming.

Enough anti-Christian roots have now spread that "normies" are beginning to recognize the cultural fissures that the few vocal Christians were chastised for predicting.

That's bull***** No one should have to listen to whaling crap like that five times a day in America.

annie88 said:

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That's bull***** No one should have to listen to whaling crap like that five times a day in America.

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Separation of church and state?

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The majority of the original states had state churches. It is merely the federal government who was restricted from having one. Miseducation and activist judges have lead to the cultural canonization of a phrase used by a single founding father in a letter. "Separation of church and state" is a subversive phrase that erodes our national DNA.

Claude! said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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Claude! said:

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If it complies with content-neutral noise ordnances and is done by private parties, it's likely legal. Not much different than ringing church bells.

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• City Noise Ordinance:
  Dearborn's noise ordinance specifies that the use of loudspeakers between 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. violates city regulations.

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Thanks. Looking at the ordnance, there's a specific prohibition on using loudspeakers from 10p to 7a in a manner that creates a noise disturbance. Noise disturbance doesn't appear to be a specifically defined term, but I would assume that a noise that registers above the decibel levels defined in 13-44 of the ordnance (which vary by location and type of noise) would be considered a noise disturbance.


Assuming that the call to prayer registers above the decibel limit at the listener's property line, it would be a violation of the noise ordnances. In theory, Dearborn could adjust its noise ordnances to exempt religious noises (NYC has apparently done so), though I wonder if that would run afoul of a potential challenge as not being content-neutral. Probably easier solution for Dearborn would be to adjust the nighttime hours to allow for the 6a call to prayer to fall under the daylight rules.

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Wonder if they have an ordinance which covers how low ordnance can be.

It violates ordinances, but the city doesn't care. Their mayor is that same muslim dude who told a pastor "You are not welcome here" and that he would "launch a parade" the day the pastor left Dearborn.

You know what Dearborn really needs? A big ol', honkin' pig farm.

maybe they can use alarm clocks like the rest of the civilized world

Ag87H2O said:

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Play a Christian prayer over the city emergency alert system and see how long it takes them to file a lawsuit.

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Where are those *******s with "Freedom from religion" now?

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It violates ordinances, but the city doesn't care. Their mayor is that same muslim dude who told a pastor "You are not welcome here" and that he would "launch a parade" the day the pastor left Dearborn.

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Will that parade include suicide bombers and AKs firing indiscriminately into the air?

Probably.

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The Fall Guy said:

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Claude! said:

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If it complies with content-neutral noise ordnances and is done by private parties, it's likely legal. Not much different than ringing church bells.

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Yep. I heard the Mosque prayers when I lived in A&M on Tauber St behind Northgate in the 1990s.
Heard the prayers and church bells. Only way to kill this is stop all religious centers from making any noise

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Screw that, only the mosques need to be silenced. America is a Christian nation built on Christian principles. The muslims are free to leave if this offends them.

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Unfortunately, the US government, under Thomas Jefferson, has stated quite the opposite. Granted, that was over 200 years ago and stated as a means to a very specific end. However, it's pretty direct in its assertion.

Article 11, 1797 Treaty of Tripoli

"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religious or tranquility of Musselmen, and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

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Who cares they voted for it

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Well Barry and Mike flooded them with migrants.

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Interesting. Trump carried Dearborn 42-36 over Harris.

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Illegals can't legally vote. It seems like they can get jobs though, and wield a little authority.

Get Off My Lawn said:

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Vepp said:

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This needs to stop. Disturbing the peace? Separation of church and state? Violating religious liberty? What are we doing america???

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We're committing cultural suicide. Obviously.

Postmodernists shoved an ideology that we could enjoy greater fruits as a heterogeneous secular society than as a homogeneous Christian nation.

"Diversity is our strength"
"Separation of church and state"
"You don't talk about religion or politics"
Etc

Large portions of our populous abandoned Christianity, and ostensible conservatives helped to import peoples with no reasonable expectation of conforming.

Enough anti-Christian roots have now spread that "normies" are beginning to recognize the cultural fissures that the few vocal Christians were chastised for predicting.

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Freedom of religion is the freedom to live without religion or be compelled to practice a religion. Never were we a 'homogeneous' Christian nation. Dominant religion for a long time, even state-sponsored, sure.

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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The Fall Guy said:

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Claude! said:

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If it complies with content-neutral noise ordnances and is done by private parties, it's likely legal. Not much different than ringing church bells.

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Yep. I heard the Mosque prayers when I lived in A&M on Tauber St behind Northgate in the 1990s.
Heard the prayers and church bells. Only way to kill this is stop all religious centers from making any noise

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Screw that, only the mosques need to be silenced. America is a Christian nation built on Christian principles. The muslims are free to leave if this offends them.

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Unfortunately, the US government, under Thomas Jefferson, has stated quite the opposite. Granted, that was over 200 years ago and stated as a means to a very specific end. However, it's pretty direct in its assertion.

Article 11, 1797 Treaty of Tripoli

"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religious or tranquility of Musselmen, and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

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A peripheral document by a religious outlier among the founding fathers who was trying to play nice with a foreign ideology. It in no way legally obligates intrastate posture.

Jefferson did not craft or ratify our founding unilaterally. Portions of his rhetoric & attempts at persuasion are elevated by those with an agenda. In this case, Jefferson tried to retcon his preferred founding narrative into existence despite the overwhelming evidence he was in the minority on this issue. And what was DC to do with this treaty? Tear up a treaty between nations simply because Jefferson slipped a pill of deception into it?

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Interesting. Trump carried Dearborn 42-36 over Harris.

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Illegals can't legally vote. It seems like they can get jobs though, and wield a little authority.

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They can't legally vote, but they seem to be voting…

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Also, this story is 18 months old.

https://wrkr.com/first-mosque-prayer-broadcast-in-america/

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OP must have gotten a forward from his mall walking group this am.

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Actually, it showed back up in several social media sites this week.

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Who cares they voted for it

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Extremely stupid boomer thing to say if you think that. Typical boomer response because he won't have to deal with it and boomers have never cared about their grand children or any one other than themselves.

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Fight it with some whistle tips.

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Underrated post

I'll say it. I have a certain level of moral code that I will follow regarding some things and my mindset is not consistent. I will thank you for saying "Lord be with you", "Namaste", "assalamu alaikum"....you can wish me happy solstice, happy yule, or wish me happiness from pagan rituals. I am cool with all of that. I take it as a compliment and respect that you have wished me well in your own way.

If you play that **** at 5:30 am and 5 times a day, and somebody vandalizes the speaker system or sets your building on fire, I will not feel a single ounce of sorrow for it, though.

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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Vepp said:

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This needs to stop. Disturbing the peace? Separation of church and state? Violating religious liberty? What are we doing america???

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We're committing cultural suicide. Obviously.

Postmodernists shoved an ideology that we could enjoy greater fruits as a heterogeneous secular society than as a homogeneous Christian nation.

"Diversity is our strength"
"Separation of church and state"
"You don't talk about religion or politics"
Etc

Large portions of our populous abandoned Christianity, and ostensible conservatives helped to import peoples with no reasonable expectation of conforming.

Enough anti-Christian roots have now spread that "normies" are beginning to recognize the cultural fissures that the few vocal Christians were chastised for predicting.

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Freedom of religion is the freedom to live without religion or be compelled to practice a religion. Never were we a 'homogeneous' Christian nation. Dominant religion for a long time, even state-sponsored, sure.

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Agreed. But the postmodern narrative didn't distinguish across denominational diversity: it broad-brushed Christianity as a relic of savage yesteryear.

A young combat engineer during WWII, Melvin Kaminsky, once climbed a pole, install a loudspeaker, and blasted songs from Jewish artists towards the enemy. Could use similar heroics once again! Force the city to do something to quiet both!

50 years ago would have been a great time to get worked up about Dearborn.

25 years ago would also have been a good time when it came out that 1/3 of Dearborn spoke only Arabic at home.

Use it as a cautionary tale for your own city and sound the alarm when it might make a difference. For doing anything about Dearborn, though, that ship sailed long before it became a Muslim majority city and the police uniforms started having Arabic patches. No point in getting worked up now.

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Play a Christian prayer over the city emergency alert system and see how long it takes them to file a lawsuit.

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Lawsuit? ****, the left including the religion of peace as well as all of the libs who have the shirts and signs for every violent "protest" would tear the speakers down and not be held accountable.

Dearborn, MI sold out to the ******* decades ago. Maybe the citizens were able to get it shut down, but either the ******* won a lawsuit or they put the system back on as a sign of flipping the middle finger to the citizens.

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Unfortunately, the US government, under Thomas Jefferson, has stated quite the opposite. Granted, that was over 200 years ago and stated as a means to a very specific end. However, it's pretty direct in its assertion.

Article 11, 1797 Treaty of Tripoli

"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religious or tranquility of Musselmen, and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

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The US Government was a union between independent states. At the time, Jefferson was correct - that union was not founded on the Christian religion,

The independent states who formed that union absolutely were.

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Apollo79 said:

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Also, this story is 18 months old.

https://wrkr.com/first-mosque-prayer-broadcast-in-america/

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OP must have gotten a forward from his mall walking group this am.

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Actually, it showed back up in several social media sites this week.

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Proving that the masses are being manipulated via social media.

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I swear I heard prayer over loudspeakers when I lived near Bellaire. Never could pinpoint where it came from.

It pissed me off then and this pisses me off now.

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Could we pay the Gameday Bullhorn Evangelicals to do their thing at this time/location?

So muslim prayer is 5 times a day, 7 days a week or 35 total times per week against church bells probably on Sunday morning. One of these sounds like noise pollution.

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Unfortunately, the US government, under Thomas Jefferson, has stated quite the opposite. Granted, that was over 200 years ago and stated as a means to a very specific end. However, it's pretty direct in its assertion.

Article 11, 1797 Treaty of Tripoli

"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religious or tranquility of Musselmen, and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

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The US Government was a union between independent states. At the time, Jefferson was correct - that union was not founded on the Christian religion,

The independent states who formed that union absolutely were.

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There you go. Excellent call out.

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Apollo79 said:

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Who cares they voted for it

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Extremely stupid boomer thing to say if you think that. Typical boomer response because he won't have to deal with it and boomers have never cared about their grand children or any one other than themselves.

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lol who the f is a boomer I am not? And Im not wrong they voted for it, have any other great insight? Other than mUH boOOMer

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Apollo79 said:

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Who cares they voted for it

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Well Barry and Mike flooded them with migrants.

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Majority of Mich Residents voted for Barry twice.