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Add in some fist pounding on the podium and you have Dwight Schrute.

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Blood ALONE moves the wheels of history!!

Why do you think all the truly wealthy are buying up refuges in foreign countries, purchasing "golden passports" and establishing dual citizenships?

It's a little less obvious but I'm positive their financial assets are similarly being diversified.


The odds of a violent revolution, of some sort, in our lifetimes on US mainland are not zero. And whatever they are, they are increasing.

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aggie93 said:

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infinity ag said:

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infinity ag said:

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infinity ag said:

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It will happen here as well.

Once the rich and poor divide gets to a certain point where the rich have trillions and the poor have nothing, just are homeless, jobless and hungry.

Income inequality is increasing and that is a big cause for revolutions.

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Income inequality isn't remotely the same level of problem in the US as it is in much of the world. Are there extremely wealthy people here? Sure, but you also have the largest middle class and when anyone that can simply show up on time and work will make $15-20/hr to start and they can choose a spectrum of professions we are a long way from Nepal.

Hopelessness does drive revolutions though. When people reach a point where they feel they have nothing to lose or the risks of open rebellion are less than the status quo is when it happens. Can that happen here? Sure, but it won't happen because of income inequality anytime soon.

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We are a few stages before rioting and storming. That is because a vast section of the population still believes that the country cares for them and it is the "best country in the world". The brainwashing is immense. Now it is the best for people like myself and many here because we are educated and wealthy enough. But for many others, it is not as they live paycheck to paycheck and just cannot get another job as there is nothing available. This isn't 1995, everything has been sent away.

Just cruise Linkedin to see what people are going through now.

I see bad stuff.

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I think there are significant problems for sure but income inequality is pretty far down the list. I spend a LOT of time on LInkedIn since I do recruiting as well, while certainly some areas are struggling there is a lot of opportunity out there. Your analogies also don't have much to do with income inequality. Of course some people buy into envy and socialism and want to kill the billionaires but that's a very small minority. Most people simply want more opportunities and lower cost of living.

The US may not be "the best country in the world" but there aren't many others that can make an argument for it, especially those of any size. Switzerland or Singapore perhaps? Both are far more expensive than the US though and a fraction of our size. Certainly not any of the major powers. China? Russia? UK? France? Germany? Uh, no. Saudi or UAE? I mean if you are a Muslim and a citizen maybe (and you DGAF about freedom or voting). Of course none of those countries have our natural resources or geographical advantages. No one else is even in the same category there.

Lots of problems in the US for sure but it is still the best place if you have nothing to start that you can become wealthy in a few years with hard work and willingness to take risk. Certainly success is far from guaranteed but the opportunity is there. I know 3 of my son's friends didn't go to college and are already pushing 6 figures before their friends have graduated. I don't see the pitchforks coming out. What I do see is a lot of kids that went to college with no plan, took on massive debt, and then are angry that they can't buy a house and a BMW with a cushy job upon graduation. You have to make hard choices and sacrifices and you have to treat your career and education like your own business enterprise. Life is hard. It was hard 50 years ago and it's hard today. At least kids today don't have much worry about having to get sent to Vietnam or Iwo Jima. Every generation has different challenges.

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My examples are simple.

If an American with a relevant degree from a ranked US university cannot find a job in the US, but those jobs from US companies are in abundance in India and China, then we have a problem leading to dissatisfaction and anger.

What is your solution? Move to China? To India? They are not stupid to let Americans move in in large numbers and take their jobs.

We are not even talking about Psych majors with 500k debt and expecting a BMW, so please don't divert the discussion. We are talking about people in marketing, software development, sales, recruiting. They could find jobs earlier, now they cannot. Some say "go do HVAC", that isn't a solution to everyone looking for a job that are qualified and educated.

We have a big problem and many don't want to admit it.

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Definitely a problem but that has nothing to do with income inequality. Few are going to be pining to go to India or China for a job even if they are Indian or Chinese. Was talking to my Indian neighbor last night and they were talking about how as much as they sometimes miss home when they go back they have to be super careful about everything they eat and drink and have to worry so much about their personal safety. That is as an Indian who grew up there. Those problems aren't getting fixed anytime soon either, they are deep rooted and structural.

So your argument was that the US is not the best country on Earth, what country are you saying is better? We certainly have problems here but there is still a very good reason why so many want to come here and so few from here want to leave.

I also don't see many software engineers and marketing folks who are going to pick up pitchforks because they are having trouble finding a job or more often not finding a job that pays them what they would like. That's really an issue of oversupply though where too many people went into those fields and the market is adjusting. Doesn't mean they need to go into trades but it does mean that many will have to look at other ways to apply their skills or start over, that's nothing new in American history. It's not easy for them either, not questioning that. In your examples though a software person can always try and create an app or build a software they can sell. A marketing person can always go into sales or they can create a variety of businesses using the internet. May not be easy but it's still very possible and more possible in the US than in any other country or arguably at any other time in history.

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In the 90s, we were in a state of "equilibrium". More or less, there is no 100% so don't expect that. From 1997, there was a Y2K need and our corps found out that they could offshore and get work done for cheap. Quality was bad but the top execs did not care as they did not own the company.

The equilibrium was broken. Now we have unlimited supply of labor (some good mostly bad) coming in and so companies don't want to hire here. So what happens to those who live here? We are all effed. We have to pay higher food prices, property taxes, but have no jobs as the environment is such that everyone wants to hire in India and China and Philippines. This cannot sustain for too long. Money is leaving the country and no one cares (except probably Trump).

I never said US is not the best country in the world. So please don't put words in my mouth. I absolutely think the US is the best country for me to live. I have no plans of moving anywhere else. I hate my state as it is dying so I am considering a move to another state, but I am not leaving the US.

However, with this globalization, we will be the same in due course of time. US will be just like India. Will be like China. Living standards will be the same everywhere. What does that mean for you and me? Our standard will go DOWN and Kumar and Lakshmi's standard of life in India will go UP. They will meet at some point in the middle.

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"We are a few stages before rioting and storming. That is because a vast section of the population still believes that the country cares for them and it is the "best country in the world".


Those are your words not mine. You are criticizing people who say that the US is the best country in the world and that would certainly imply that you don't think it is.

As for the rest you are arguing about offshoring and standard of living and immigration. All valid but none have much to do with income inequality outside of a very tenuous link to say that rich people/CEO's benefit but that's really not the same thing either.

As someone who graduated from college in '93 I also don't think there was any "equilibrium" back then. Companies had slashed management training programs and weren't hiring new college grads because of the oversupply of Boomers so they could hire more experienced people at a reasonable cost. They didn't see the need to invest for 10 years down the road. I had to scratch and claw hard to get a decent opportunity and in the end basically made it on my own. Most of my friends were in a similar boat. We all eventually found success but it was a difficult path with multiple job changes for all of us. I was thrilled to work 70 hours a week for $23k a year just to get a shot back then, my wife made less out of school.

Every generation has challenges and you have to find ways to overcome. I'm all for significant visa reform, hard stops on illegal immigration, and giving preference to US citizens while eliminating any type of DEI or race/sex based preferences in hiring. I think all of those are problem areas along with issues like the debt. Income inequality though is about the idea that somehow we would all be better off if everyone made about the same or the difference between the top and the bottom were closer. The reality is that the CEO's and founders that you love to rail against create massive amounts of high paying jobs and wealth (esp if they have public companies) and they also pay a massive amount of taxes. I'm far more concerned about getting the people who aren't working or don't want to work being productive than railing against wealthy people.

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"Viva Nepal!"*

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Nepal is a Spanish Colony?

My kids like that pink, white, and brown ice cream.

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B-1 83 said:

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"Viva Nepal!"*

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Nepal is a Spanish Colony?

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Nepal is the Spanish word for cactus.

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Unrelated, but is there a more beta phrase than "wrong side of history"?

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I'll drive; we can take my Subaru.

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agdoc2001 said:

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Unrelated, but is there a more beta phrase than "wrong side of history"?

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I'll drive; we can take my Subaru.

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A little bit of socialism is a good thing.

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Bro gave this "Jai Nepal" speech in March 2025.

And now six months later in September 2025, youth of Nepal is burning down houses of corrupt politicians. pic.twitter.com/k011ermx6Q

— Incognito (@Incognito_qfs) September 9, 2025

Grok says its real, BTW

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Holy crap this kid has been watching a lot of videos of Hitler or Mussolini. Give him a more german accent and he sounds a lot like a hungry-for-power Adolf Hitler...the inflection, the cadence, all of it.

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infinity ag said:

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infinity ag said:

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aggie93 said:

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infinity ag said:

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aggie93 said:

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infinity ag said:

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It will happen here as well.

Once the rich and poor divide gets to a certain point where the rich have trillions and the poor have nothing, just are homeless, jobless and hungry.

Income inequality is increasing and that is a big cause for revolutions.

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Income inequality isn't remotely the same level of problem in the US as it is in much of the world. Are there extremely wealthy people here? Sure, but you also have the largest middle class and when anyone that can simply show up on time and work will make $15-20/hr to start and they can choose a spectrum of professions we are a long way from Nepal.

Hopelessness does drive revolutions though. When people reach a point where they feel they have nothing to lose or the risks of open rebellion are less than the status quo is when it happens. Can that happen here? Sure, but it won't happen because of income inequality anytime soon.

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We are a few stages before rioting and storming. That is because a vast section of the population still believes that the country cares for them and it is the "best country in the world". The brainwashing is immense. Now it is the best for people like myself and many here because we are educated and wealthy enough. But for many others, it is not as they live paycheck to paycheck and just cannot get another job as there is nothing available. This isn't 1995, everything has been sent away.

Just cruise Linkedin to see what people are going through now.

I see bad stuff.

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I think there are significant problems for sure but income inequality is pretty far down the list. I spend a LOT of time on LInkedIn since I do recruiting as well, while certainly some areas are struggling there is a lot of opportunity out there. Your analogies also don't have much to do with income inequality. Of course some people buy into envy and socialism and want to kill the billionaires but that's a very small minority. Most people simply want more opportunities and lower cost of living.

The US may not be "the best country in the world" but there aren't many others that can make an argument for it, especially those of any size. Switzerland or Singapore perhaps? Both are far more expensive than the US though and a fraction of our size. Certainly not any of the major powers. China? Russia? UK? France? Germany? Uh, no. Saudi or UAE? I mean if you are a Muslim and a citizen maybe (and you DGAF about freedom or voting). Of course none of those countries have our natural resources or geographical advantages. No one else is even in the same category there.

Lots of problems in the US for sure but it is still the best place if you have nothing to start that you can become wealthy in a few years with hard work and willingness to take risk. Certainly success is far from guaranteed but the opportunity is there. I know 3 of my son's friends didn't go to college and are already pushing 6 figures before their friends have graduated. I don't see the pitchforks coming out. What I do see is a lot of kids that went to college with no plan, took on massive debt, and then are angry that they can't buy a house and a BMW with a cushy job upon graduation. You have to make hard choices and sacrifices and you have to treat your career and education like your own business enterprise. Life is hard. It was hard 50 years ago and it's hard today. At least kids today don't have much worry about having to get sent to Vietnam or Iwo Jima. Every generation has different challenges.

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My examples are simple.

If an American with a relevant degree from a ranked US university cannot find a job in the US, but those jobs from US companies are in abundance in India and China, then we have a problem leading to dissatisfaction and anger.

What is your solution? Move to China? To India? They are not stupid to let Americans move in in large numbers and take their jobs.

We are not even talking about Psych majors with 500k debt and expecting a BMW, so please don't divert the discussion. We are talking about people in marketing, software development, sales, recruiting. They could find jobs earlier, now they cannot. Some say "go do HVAC", that isn't a solution to everyone looking for a job that are qualified and educated.

We have a big problem and many don't want to admit it.

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Definitely a problem but that has nothing to do with income inequality. Few are going to be pining to go to India or China for a job even if they are Indian or Chinese. Was talking to my Indian neighbor last night and they were talking about how as much as they sometimes miss home when they go back they have to be super careful about everything they eat and drink and have to worry so much about their personal safety. That is as an Indian who grew up there. Those problems aren't getting fixed anytime soon either, they are deep rooted and structural.

So your argument was that the US is not the best country on Earth, what country are you saying is better? We certainly have problems here but there is still a very good reason why so many want to come here and so few from here want to leave.

I also don't see many software engineers and marketing folks who are going to pick up pitchforks because they are having trouble finding a job or more often not finding a job that pays them what they would like. That's really an issue of oversupply though where too many people went into those fields and the market is adjusting. Doesn't mean they need to go into trades but it does mean that many will have to look at other ways to apply their skills or start over, that's nothing new in American history. It's not easy for them either, not questioning that. In your examples though a software person can always try and create an app or build a software they can sell. A marketing person can always go into sales or they can create a variety of businesses using the internet. May not be easy but it's still very possible and more possible in the US than in any other country or arguably at any other time in history.

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In the 90s, we were in a state of "equilibrium". More or less, there is no 100% so don't expect that. From 1997, there was a Y2K need and our corps found out that they could offshore and get work done for cheap. Quality was bad but the top execs did not care as they did not own the company.

The equilibrium was broken. Now we have unlimited supply of labor (some good mostly bad) coming in and so companies don't want to hire here. So what happens to those who live here? We are all effed. We have to pay higher food prices, property taxes, but have no jobs as the environment is such that everyone wants to hire in India and China and Philippines. This cannot sustain for too long. Money is leaving the country and no one cares (except probably Trump).

I never said US is not the best country in the world. So please don't put words in my mouth. I absolutely think the US is the best country for me to live. I have no plans of moving anywhere else. I hate my state as it is dying so I am considering a move to another state, but I am not leaving the US.

However, with this globalization, we will be the same in due course of time. US will be just like India. Will be like China. Living standards will be the same everywhere. What does that mean for you and me? Our standard will go DOWN and Kumar and Lakshmi's standard of life in India will go UP. They will meet at some point in the middle.

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"We are a few stages before rioting and storming. That is because a vast section of the population still believes that the country cares for them and it is the "best country in the world".


Those are your words not mine. You are criticizing people who say that the US is the best country in the world and that would certainly imply that you don't think it is.

As for the rest you are arguing about offshoring and standard of living and immigration. All valid but none have much to do with income inequality outside of a very tenuous link to say that rich people/CEO's benefit but that's really not the same thing either.

As someone who graduated from college in '93 I also don't think there was any "equilibrium" back then. Companies had slashed management training programs and weren't hiring new college grads because of the oversupply of Boomers so they could hire more experienced people at a reasonable cost. They didn't see the need to invest for 10 years down the road. I had to scratch and claw hard to get a decent opportunity and in the end basically made it on my own. Most of my friends were in a similar boat. We all eventually found success but it was a difficult path with multiple job changes for all of us. I was thrilled to work 70 hours a week for $23k a year just to get a shot back then, my wife made less out of school.

Every generation has challenges and you have to find ways to overcome. I'm all for significant visa reform, hard stops on illegal immigration, and giving preference to US citizens while eliminating any type of DEI or race/sex based preferences in hiring. I think all of those are problem areas along with issues like the debt. Income inequality though is about the idea that somehow we would all be better off if everyone made about the same or the difference between the top and the bottom were closer. The reality is that the CEO's and founders that you love to rail against create massive amounts of high paying jobs and wealth (esp if they have public companies) and they also pay a massive amount of taxes. I'm far more concerned about getting the people who aren't working or don't want to work being productive than railing against wealthy people.

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Those are my words, but you misinterpreted it and twisted it to the meaning you wanted. There is no doubt that this many in this country are indoctrinated to believe that "US is the best country in the world" and think they better shut up and suffer their indignities. That does not have to be true for every one. I know many who lived here for many years and are happier overseas. For them, US is not the best country. For me personally, it is and I have no plans of moving for now. Who has seen the future?

But that was not the point. The point is people won't riot for now as they cling on to these beliefs. At some point the dam will break and all hell will break loose. Hunger makes people do strange things. I don't know when that will happen but it will.

We have thrashed the inequality issue a lot, and we can agree to disagree. I really think that things are more unequal now. Rich are getting richer and poor getting poorer. It is harder and harder to survive and hard work is less likely to pay off. Not everyone is Elon Musk or Bill Gates. I am lucky to be on the good side of this divide as I invest but not everyone, not even many of my friends in my neighborhood are in this situation. Most think their jobs are good enough. What happens if they get laid off which is very likely? It is really easy for me to make as much money as I would make in a full time job, just in a couple of months. I have done this consistently for about 11 years so it is not a flash in a pan. Musk and Gates are the Kings of this and their money makes more money. I think we are heading towards social catastrophe.

My problem is not against wealthy people. I am pretty wealthy myself, self-made and enough to retire comfortably without needing any debt. My problem is with greedy people who don't want to invest in their communities but want to benefit from it on everyone's tax money. They have no problem laying people off here and committing fraud for H1Bs to hire overseas. I don't care of Musk gets $1T if he hires in the US. No, he won't do so on some stupid excuse.

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Bro gave this "Jai Nepal" speech in March 2025.

And now six months later in September 2025, youth of Nepal is burning down houses of corrupt politicians. pic.twitter.com/k011ermx6Q

— Incognito (@Incognito_qfs) September 9, 2025

Grok says its real, BTW

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Holy crap this kid has been watching a lot of videos of Hitler or Mussolini. Give him a more german accent and he sounds a lot like a hungry-for-power Adolf Hitler.

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Why do you think all the truly wealthy are buying up refuges in foreign countries, purchasing "golden passports" and establishing dual citizenships?

It's a little less obvious but I'm positive their financial assets are similarly being diversified.


The odds of a violent revolution, of some sort, in our lifetimes on US mainland are not zero. And whatever they are, they are increasing.

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When sheet hits the ceiling, they need an escape. Thanks for giving me the idea, I should look to invest in some place as well. Things will get bad if we continue on this path.

Many seem oblivious and cling on to fake constructs like "free markets" which never existed and never will. You cannot create a free market when the supply of labor is endless. The market will never adjust. We (the US) will devolve into a 3rd world country before it reaches equilibrium. But that is what many people want.

THIS looks MUCH more insurrectiony than J6.

😱This is what the Presidential Palace in Nepal looks like now

Or rather, what's left of it after the fire.

The local portal Online Khabar reports that the building housed key offices and departments — including the Prime Minister's offices. All important documents were… pic.twitter.com/QVFuHQTY4v

— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) September 9, 2025

agree

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"Viva Nepal!"*


*sorry, could t help myself.

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Anybody seen a little necked man running around with a hundred dollar bill?

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N-E-P-A-L! Viva Nepal!!

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I have seen them running around with FAL's, getting real

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My kids like that pink, white, and brown ice cream.

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Hey, Bob Seger likes that too

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B-1 83 said:

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"Viva Nepal!"*

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Nepal is a Spanish Colony?

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Nepal is the Spanish word for cactus.

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Carp!

I should have known this!

So, Nepal is pointless or not?

The first thing dictators do is cut access to Twitter and other social media so they can't organize. Starlink satellites will be game changers moving forward to resist tyranny.

Edit. Wrong emoji.

BREAKING: The wife of former Nepalese Prime Minister Rana Deuba has been confirmed dead after protesters stormed their residence.

She was last seen leaving the home beaten and surrounded by demonstrators, alongside her bloodied husband. pic.twitter.com/vTFDw1Pfn1

— Whiplash347 (@Whiplash437) September 9, 2025

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My kids like that pink, white, and brown ice cream.

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Nepal is a colony of France?

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Well played, good sir. It seems others don't catch movie quotes so quickly.

Yea, not that part. That's too far.

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Well played, good sir. It seems others don't catch movie quotes so quickly.

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Yeah, we are getting old brother. This movie is older than some posters on here.

I'd love to see this same kind of action all over western Europe in response to the uncontrolled immigration forced upon the citizens by their respective governments, censorship of free speech, unequal application of the law, political assassinations and election rigging. Drag these politicians into the street for instant justice and then start over with a clean slate.

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THIS looks MUCH more insurrectiony than J6.

😱This is what the Presidential Palace in Nepal looks like now

Or rather, what's left of it after the fire.

The local portal Online Khabar reports that the building housed key offices and departments — including the Prime Minister's offices. All important documents were… pic.twitter.com/QVFuHQTY4v

— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) September 9, 2025

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AOC posted that all those Napalis men just wanted to date her /probably

It will be very interesting if the euros attempts to nullify or void the german elections

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The U.S. is, by far, the best country to ever exist in history. Do we have problems? Abso-friggin-lutely. Majority of which are rooted in liberal policies and envy/jealousy.

But to even insinuate that it's not the best is to admit one has no idea what the **** they're even talking about.

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Amen!

Looks "mostly peaceful" to me ....

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aggie93 said:

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aggie93 said:

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aggie93 said:

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infinity ag said:

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It will happen here as well.

Once the rich and poor divide gets to a certain point where the rich have trillions and the poor have nothing, just are homeless, jobless and hungry.

Income inequality is increasing and that is a big cause for revolutions.

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Income inequality isn't remotely the same level of problem in the US as it is in much of the world. Are there extremely wealthy people here? Sure, but you also have the largest middle class and when anyone that can simply show up on time and work will make $15-20/hr to start and they can choose a spectrum of professions we are a long way from Nepal.

Hopelessness does drive revolutions though. When people reach a point where they feel they have nothing to lose or the risks of open rebellion are less than the status quo is when it happens. Can that happen here? Sure, but it won't happen because of income inequality anytime soon.

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We are a few stages before rioting and storming. That is because a vast section of the population still believes that the country cares for them and it is the "best country in the world". The brainwashing is immense. Now it is the best for people like myself and many here because we are educated and wealthy enough. But for many others, it is not as they live paycheck to paycheck and just cannot get another job as there is nothing available. This isn't 1995, everything has been sent away.

Just cruise Linkedin to see what people are going through now.

I see bad stuff.

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I think there are significant problems for sure but income inequality is pretty far down the list. I spend a LOT of time on LInkedIn since I do recruiting as well, while certainly some areas are struggling there is a lot of opportunity out there. Your analogies also don't have much to do with income inequality. Of course some people buy into envy and socialism and want to kill the billionaires but that's a very small minority. Most people simply want more opportunities and lower cost of living.

The US may not be "the best country in the world" but there aren't many others that can make an argument for it, especially those of any size. Switzerland or Singapore perhaps? Both are far more expensive than the US though and a fraction of our size. Certainly not any of the major powers. China? Russia? UK? France? Germany? Uh, no. Saudi or UAE? I mean if you are a Muslim and a citizen maybe (and you DGAF about freedom or voting). Of course none of those countries have our natural resources or geographical advantages. No one else is even in the same category there.

Lots of problems in the US for sure but it is still the best place if you have nothing to start that you can become wealthy in a few years with hard work and willingness to take risk. Certainly success is far from guaranteed but the opportunity is there. I know 3 of my son's friends didn't go to college and are already pushing 6 figures before their friends have graduated. I don't see the pitchforks coming out. What I do see is a lot of kids that went to college with no plan, took on massive debt, and then are angry that they can't buy a house and a BMW with a cushy job upon graduation. You have to make hard choices and sacrifices and you have to treat your career and education like your own business enterprise. Life is hard. It was hard 50 years ago and it's hard today. At least kids today don't have much worry about having to get sent to Vietnam or Iwo Jima. Every generation has different challenges.

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My examples are simple.

If an American with a relevant degree from a ranked US university cannot find a job in the US, but those jobs from US companies are in abundance in India and China, then we have a problem leading to dissatisfaction and anger.

What is your solution? Move to China? To India? They are not stupid to let Americans move in in large numbers and take their jobs.

We are not even talking about Psych majors with 500k debt and expecting a BMW, so please don't divert the discussion. We are talking about people in marketing, software development, sales, recruiting. They could find jobs earlier, now they cannot. Some say "go do HVAC", that isn't a solution to everyone looking for a job that are qualified and educated.

We have a big problem and many don't want to admit it.

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Definitely a problem but that has nothing to do with income inequality. Few are going to be pining to go to India or China for a job even if they are Indian or Chinese. Was talking to my Indian neighbor last night and they were talking about how as much as they sometimes miss home when they go back they have to be super careful about everything they eat and drink and have to worry so much about their personal safety. That is as an Indian who grew up there. Those problems aren't getting fixed anytime soon either, they are deep rooted and structural.

So your argument was that the US is not the best country on Earth, what country are you saying is better? We certainly have problems here but there is still a very good reason why so many want to come here and so few from here want to leave.

I also don't see many software engineers and marketing folks who are going to pick up pitchforks because they are having trouble finding a job or more often not finding a job that pays them what they would like. That's really an issue of oversupply though where too many people went into those fields and the market is adjusting. Doesn't mean they need to go into trades but it does mean that many will have to look at other ways to apply their skills or start over, that's nothing new in American history. It's not easy for them either, not questioning that. In your examples though a software person can always try and create an app or build a software they can sell. A marketing person can always go into sales or they can create a variety of businesses using the internet. May not be easy but it's still very possible and more possible in the US than in any other country or arguably at any other time in history.

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In the 90s, we were in a state of "equilibrium". More or less, there is no 100% so don't expect that. From 1997, there was a Y2K need and our corps found out that they could offshore and get work done for cheap. Quality was bad but the top execs did not care as they did not own the company.

The equilibrium was broken. Now we have unlimited supply of labor (some good mostly bad) coming in and so companies don't want to hire here. So what happens to those who live here? We are all effed. We have to pay higher food prices, property taxes, but have no jobs as the environment is such that everyone wants to hire in India and China and Philippines. This cannot sustain for too long. Money is leaving the country and no one cares (except probably Trump).

I never said US is not the best country in the world. So please don't put words in my mouth. I absolutely think the US is the best country for me to live. I have no plans of moving anywhere else. I hate my state as it is dying so I am considering a move to another state, but I am not leaving the US.

However, with this globalization, we will be the same in due course of time. US will be just like India. Will be like China. Living standards will be the same everywhere. What does that mean for you and me? Our standard will go DOWN and Kumar and Lakshmi's standard of life in India will go UP. They will meet at some point in the middle.

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"We are a few stages before rioting and storming. That is because a vast section of the population still believes that the country cares for them and it is the "best country in the world".


Those are your words not mine. You are criticizing people who say that the US is the best country in the world and that would certainly imply that you don't think it is.

As for the rest you are arguing about offshoring and standard of living and immigration. All valid but none have much to do with income inequality outside of a very tenuous link to say that rich people/CEO's benefit but that's really not the same thing either.

As someone who graduated from college in '93 I also don't think there was any "equilibrium" back then. Companies had slashed management training programs and weren't hiring new college grads because of the oversupply of Boomers so they could hire more experienced people at a reasonable cost. They didn't see the need to invest for 10 years down the road. I had to scratch and claw hard to get a decent opportunity and in the end basically made it on my own. Most of my friends were in a similar boat. We all eventually found success but it was a difficult path with multiple job changes for all of us. I was thrilled to work 70 hours a week for $23k a year just to get a shot back then, my wife made less out of school.

Every generation has challenges and you have to find ways to overcome. I'm all for significant visa reform, hard stops on illegal immigration, and giving preference to US citizens while eliminating any type of DEI or race/sex based preferences in hiring. I think all of those are problem areas along with issues like the debt. Income inequality though is about the idea that somehow we would all be better off if everyone made about the same or the difference between the top and the bottom were closer. The reality is that the CEO's and founders that you love to rail against create massive amounts of high paying jobs and wealth (esp if they have public companies) and they also pay a massive amount of taxes. I'm far more concerned about getting the people who aren't working or don't want to work being productive than railing against wealthy people.

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Those are my words, but you misinterpreted it and twisted it to the meaning you wanted. There is no doubt that this many in this country are indoctrinated to believe that "US is the best country in the world" and think they better shut up and suffer their indignities. That does not have to be true for every one. I know many who lived here for many years and are happier overseas. For them, US is not the best country. For me personally, it is and I have no plans of moving for now. Who has seen the future?

But that was not the point. The point is people won't riot for now as they cling on to these beliefs. At some point the dam will break and all hell will break loose. Hunger makes people do strange things. I don't know when that will happen but it will.

We have thrashed the inequality issue a lot, and we can agree to disagree. I really think that things are more unequal now. Rich are getting richer and poor getting poorer. It is harder and harder to survive and hard work is less likely to pay off. Not everyone is Elon Musk or Bill Gates. I am lucky to be on the good side of this divide as I invest but not everyone, not even many of my friends in my neighborhood are in this situation. Most think their jobs are good enough. What happens if they get laid off which is very likely? It is really easy for me to make as much money as I would make in a full time job, just in a couple of months. I have done this consistently for about 11 years so it is not a flash in a pan. Musk and Gates are the Kings of this and their money makes more money. I think we are heading towards social catastrophe.

My problem is not against wealthy people. I am pretty wealthy myself, self-made and enough to retire comfortably without needing any debt. My problem is with greedy people who don't want to invest in their communities but want to benefit from it on everyone's tax money. They have no problem laying people off here and committing fraud for H1Bs to hire overseas. I don't care of Musk gets $1T if he hires in the US. No, he won't do so on some stupid excuse.

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So your not arguing that America is not the best country but rather that some people who think it is telling people who might not think it is are the problem? No idea what you mean by that but ok.

I agree with many of your points in terms of there being issues and concerns. I just don't know that you communicate them very clearly. Terms like income inequality have specific meanings. The "rich are getting richer and poor are getting poorer" is also a misnomer. The middle class is shifting but the poor are actually doing quite well in historical context with massive governmental programs offering assistance and plenty of jobs available at the lower end of the spectrum.

I will never understand your obsession with hating on Musk when he has the most American made car and without him the Chinese would be crushing us in the space race just for starters. He certainly doesn't underpay his workers. He doesn't live extravagantly and invests virtually everything he makes into creating more businesses and jobs, mainly in the US. He just spent a significant amount of time and effort trying to make the government more efficient and likely without him and his money and resources we could have President Harris. Is he perfect? Not at all. Is he weird? Definitely. If you want to hate on billionaires though there are plenty of better soft targets that actually promote the things you are so upset about.

Clearly you have a lot of frustration and I get that, it's just a lot of your solutions would be amputating a healthy leg for a broken arm.

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People will only take so much. The question is do they fight back before it's too late.

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It will happen here as well.

Once the rich and poor divide gets to a certain point where the rich have trillions and the poor have nothing, just are homeless, jobless and hungry.

Income inequality is increasing and that is a big cause for revolutions.

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Income inequality isn't remotely the same level of problem in the US as it is in much of the world. Are there extremely wealthy people here? Sure, but you also have the largest middle class and when anyone that can simply show up on time and work will make $15-20/hr to start and they can choose a spectrum of professions we are a long way from Nepal.

Hopelessness does drive revolutions though. When people reach a point where they feel they have nothing to lose or the risks of open rebellion are less than the status quo is when it happens. Can that happen here? Sure, but it won't happen because of income inequality anytime soon.

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We are a few stages before rioting and storming. That is because a vast section of the population still believes that the country cares for them and it is the "best country in the world". The brainwashing is immense. Now it is the best for people like myself and many here because we are educated and wealthy enough. But for many others, it is not as they live paycheck to paycheck and just cannot get another job as there is nothing available. This isn't 1995, everything has been sent away.

Just cruise Linkedin to see what people are going through now.

I see bad stuff.

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I think there are significant problems for sure but income inequality is pretty far down the list. I spend a LOT of time on LInkedIn since I do recruiting as well, while certainly some areas are struggling there is a lot of opportunity out there. Your analogies also don't have much to do with income inequality. Of course some people buy into envy and socialism and want to kill the billionaires but that's a very small minority. Most people simply want more opportunities and lower cost of living.

The US may not be "the best country in the world" but there aren't many others that can make an argument for it, especially those of any size. Switzerland or Singapore perhaps? Both are far more expensive than the US though and a fraction of our size. Certainly not any of the major powers. China? Russia? UK? France? Germany? Uh, no. Saudi or UAE? I mean if you are a Muslim and a citizen maybe (and you DGAF about freedom or voting). Of course none of those countries have our natural resources or geographical advantages. No one else is even in the same category there.

Lots of problems in the US for sure but it is still the best place if you have nothing to start that you can become wealthy in a few years with hard work and willingness to take risk. Certainly success is far from guaranteed but the opportunity is there. I know 3 of my son's friends didn't go to college and are already pushing 6 figures before their friends have graduated. I don't see the pitchforks coming out. What I do see is a lot of kids that went to college with no plan, took on massive debt, and then are angry that they can't buy a house and a BMW with a cushy job upon graduation. You have to make hard choices and sacrifices and you have to treat your career and education like your own business enterprise. Life is hard. It was hard 50 years ago and it's hard today. At least kids today don't have much worry about having to get sent to Vietnam or Iwo Jima. Every generation has different challenges.

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My examples are simple.

If an American with a relevant degree from a ranked US university cannot find a job in the US, but those jobs from US companies are in abundance in India and China, then we have a problem leading to dissatisfaction and anger.

What is your solution? Move to China? To India? They are not stupid to let Americans move in in large numbers and take their jobs.

We are not even talking about Psych majors with 500k debt and expecting a BMW, so please don't divert the discussion. We are talking about people in marketing, software development, sales, recruiting. They could find jobs earlier, now they cannot. Some say "go do HVAC", that isn't a solution to everyone looking for a job that are qualified and educated.

We have a big problem and many don't want to admit it.

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Definitely a problem but that has nothing to do with income inequality. Few are going to be pining to go to India or China for a job even if they are Indian or Chinese. Was talking to my Indian neighbor last night and they were talking about how as much as they sometimes miss home when they go back they have to be super careful about everything they eat and drink and have to worry so much about their personal safety. That is as an Indian who grew up there. Those problems aren't getting fixed anytime soon either, they are deep rooted and structural.

So your argument was that the US is not the best country on Earth, what country are you saying is better? We certainly have problems here but there is still a very good reason why so many want to come here and so few from here want to leave.

I also don't see many software engineers and marketing folks who are going to pick up pitchforks because they are having trouble finding a job or more often not finding a job that pays them what they would like. That's really an issue of oversupply though where too many people went into those fields and the market is adjusting. Doesn't mean they need to go into trades but it does mean that many will have to look at other ways to apply their skills or start over, that's nothing new in American history. It's not easy for them either, not questioning that. In your examples though a software person can always try and create an app or build a software they can sell. A marketing person can always go into sales or they can create a variety of businesses using the internet. May not be easy but it's still very possible and more possible in the US than in any other country or arguably at any other time in history.

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In the 90s, we were in a state of "equilibrium". More or less, there is no 100% so don't expect that. From 1997, there was a Y2K need and our corps found out that they could offshore and get work done for cheap. Quality was bad but the top execs did not care as they did not own the company.

The equilibrium was broken. Now we have unlimited supply of labor (some good mostly bad) coming in and so companies don't want to hire here. So what happens to those who live here? We are all effed. We have to pay higher food prices, property taxes, but have no jobs as the environment is such that everyone wants to hire in India and China and Philippines. This cannot sustain for too long. Money is leaving the country and no one cares (except probably Trump).

I never said US is not the best country in the world. So please don't put words in my mouth. I absolutely think the US is the best country for me to live. I have no plans of moving anywhere else. I hate my state as it is dying so I am considering a move to another state, but I am not leaving the US.

However, with this globalization, we will be the same in due course of time. US will be just like India. Will be like China. Living standards will be the same everywhere. What does that mean for you and me? Our standard will go DOWN and Kumar and Lakshmi's standard of life in India will go UP. They will meet at some point in the middle.

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I think you suffer from recency bias. Globalization is less than 100 years old. It was created as a security measure by the U.S. to control the spread of Soviet communism and has been on life support since the wall fell. Let's be incredibly clear here. Globalization exists exactly as long as the US supports it. Global trade cannot happen without American support. The world we live in today, the one where jobs can move all over the world due to global trade, has never existed before. The is what the "dollar will lose its reserve status" doomers fail to realize. The dollar is the global reserve because the U.S. says it has to be and we hold all of the cards when it comes to trade. If we don't want your ships to sail freely they won't. And, since no other nation has the ability to protect their own trade vessels, everyone else must play by our rules. They have no choice.

Every U.S. election since the wall fell has been a referendum on globalization and globalization has lost all of them except 2020. What we've learned with the rise of people like Mike Benz is that the U.S. government is propping up the status quo to protect a system that is trying to die. The resistance to Trump is fueled entirely by U.S. government efforts to squelch populism and it's happening all over the world. As the parties in the U.S. remake themselves the Republican Party is going to lead the way towards a reduction in reliance on trade while the Democrats are going to lead us towards the status quo of maintaining a system the populace is saying they no longer want. There's a reason the unions are turning away from the Democrats and this is it. The Democrats support jobs in China while the Republicans support jobs in America. It's that simple.

Having said all of that your core complaint sounds like it's stuck in the 00's. 20 years ago globalization was at its peak largely because China was at its peak in terms of population size, specifically working age population. It was a bottomless pit of cheap labor. Today over half of China's population is 54 and older which means 25 years from now over half of China's current population will be dead. Compounding that problem is their birth rates are well below replacement rates. China is dying.

Chinese factories weren't built as modern marvels of production efficiency but rather as jobs programs. They saw an opportunity to put their 1+ billion people to work and they took it. Those days are fading fast as their population ages beyond the ability to staff those factories. There's a reason we're seeing manufacturing leave China at an accelerating rate. Simply put China can't do it anymore. Currently India is benefiting from that collapse just simply due to size but honestly I think a generation from now we'll view that as an expensive mistake and those factories will be moving again, this time to North America.

Anyway my point is we aren't close to open revolution here because people here still believe the political process works. Soap box. Ballot box. Ammo box. Americans still largely believe in the ballot box and the rise of populist Trump suggests they're right. We'll see how 2028 turns out. If we swing back towards the Democrats and their corporate masters we'll know the system isn't dead yet. On the other hand if a Vance or DeSantis or Ramaswamy wins as a Republican the end of globalization will continue.

The American job market is changing. AI is going to have a bigger impact than globalization as that's what will replace much of the white collar workforce. But we'll see a return of productivity to the U.S. and a growth in the trades. The average age of an HVAC tech is like 62. Obviously that isn't sustainable and we have similar problems in electrical, plumbing and auto repair just to name a few. The American economy has always been able to remake itself and this time will be no different. On a micro level it will often be painful but on a macro level it will work itself out and that's what ultimately prevents political uprisings. The frustration that stems from the transition won't be widespread enough to generate the energy needed for widespread violence.

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It will happen here as well.

Once the rich and poor divide gets to a certain point where the rich have trillions and the poor have nothing, just are homeless, jobless and hungry.

Income inequality is increasing and that is a big cause for revolutions.

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Income inequality isn't remotely the same level of problem in the US as it is in much of the world. Are there extremely wealthy people here? Sure, but you also have the largest middle class and when anyone that can simply show up on time and work will make $15-20/hr to start and they can choose a spectrum of professions we are a long way from Nepal.

Hopelessness does drive revolutions though. When people reach a point where they feel they have nothing to lose or the risks of open rebellion are less than the status quo is when it happens. Can that happen here? Sure, but it won't happen because of income inequality anytime soon.

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I think that income inequality is rising faster than many realize. $1000 car payments and $2000 rent is not unheard of now. Put that on top of insurance costs, food prices etc and it's becoming a real issue. Yes, some of that is lifestyle choices but many Americans are known for living above means.

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It has increased but many don't want to admit it. Why? Because "we are conservatives" and "this is how free markets work". Many of us will die homeless but continue to swear by these buzzwords. All the while people in India and China are making merry with US jobs and raises and bonuses.

How much raises do we get? Not even 3%. India? 10%, 15%, 20%. If they don't get this, they switch and are able to switch because there are so many jobs. All thanks to the US and its largesse.

Our salaries don't go up, not even to combat inflation, but costs keep going up and up at a higher rate, so we are getting poorer. Of course corporate execs and investors are exempt (I am an investor, so I have replaced salary/bonus/raise by returns).

Everyone need to consider this. Become an investor. Not an employee. Let your job be your hobby. That is today's America if you want to survive.

Sorry for the OT, but back to Nepal now.

They should just merge with india and be done with it. They are not viable as a nation. They depend on India for everything. Just swallow the pride and join up. The culture is the same. Else China will eat them up and they have to eat roaches and lizards.

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First, I don't give a **** about Nepal. More important things to consider.

Costs keep going up? You must mean labor costs. Why do you think **** costs more? When you want $20 an hour to flip bugers... what do you expect.

Costs going up. That's just lazy 'splaining.

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Finland is on their list but there is a larger game going on......

It's East vs West intel agencies going kinetic.

The Western Europeans are going to really regret brining in all of those "muslim refugees" once they are given the go code to start burning and looting.


Just in the last two days, France, Nepal gov'ts fall and the Japan PM resigns......


Who's next as this snowball gathers momentum???

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Dolphins head coach

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Looks like McDaniel isn't the correct answer.

🚨#BREAKING: At this time, absolute chaos is erupting across France as thousands of protesters flood the streets, clashing with police and rioting in opposition to the government’s economic policies. pic.twitter.com/9PG9GDW0hy

— R A W S A L E R T S (@rawsalerts) September 10, 2025

It's Global Color Revolution season folks........Buckle up, the dominos are starting to fall.

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Lots of totalitarian governments falling or at least starting to stumble.

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People will only take so much. The question is do they fight back before it's too late.

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I gotta say, the idea of a mob of upset Americans driving Jerome Powell (Or Janet Yellen, or…) to retreat into the reflecting pool on the National Mall (or Potomac itself) does make me sort of laugh, not that I would advocate for violence etc.