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Being gay is not a sin as long as you remain celibate. Many sinners enter the doors of St. Peters and many are cleansed of their sin there. Luke 5:32.

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We are all sinners. This is a celebration of sin though and certainly not asking for forgiveness or repentance of sin. It is the church promoting what is very specifically considered a sin. You also sin by thought as well as by actions so it is definitely sin. Had they simply been walking in without celebrating their sin as a badge of honor that would be a very different thing.

I have no issue with adults doing what they want so long as it doesn't harm others. You have the legal right to do many things that I personally disagree with and that are sinful. Make no mistake though this is about the destruction of Western culture and morality. It's a huge mistake for the Catholic church to embrace this because the folks that want to do this won't stop, it is never enough. Those same people also won't be donating and giving of time to the Church. In the meantime the true faithful will leave and look for leaders that follow God's word.

BTW, this would be just as bad if it were a group of people that celebrated premarital sex and held a cross and wore clothes emphasizing their sin. That is a sin that most have engaged in but the church is not the place to be accepting of it, it is a place to teach people to walk away from their sin and understand why the sin is bad for them both because it is displeasing to God and it is bad for their soul.

This is just sad.

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Or as the CHURCH'S ideas change, as happened with the Methodist Church. That's not "salad bar" at all. The Methodist Church split over this very LGBT thing.

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You still can't get it. You have changed from Catholic, to Anglican, to Methodist…. That is what brings you to the salad bar. My guess, which will most likely be right, is once the Methodists piss you off, you will end up taking another step along the salad bar.

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Well, first, your confusing me with the guy that changed to all of those churches. I'm merely adding some context to what he said.

Second, are you saying that someone shouldn't change churches when the current church no longer believes the same doctrines that you believe, and that they formerly believe? It's not just a case of "piss you off", but changing fundamental doctrines. It's not just willy-nilly. IT's actually quite serious and painful.

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I started as a Catholic. 1st through 12th grade to Catholic Schools (St. Francis and Strake Jesuit in Houston).

Switched to Lutheran.

Now am Global Methodist.

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Let us know your next choice as you make your way down the cafeteria line. Hope your next church fits your ideas better than the *check notes* Global Methodists do.

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Missed the whole point

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No sir. YOU, however, VERY clearly did.

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Then please explain it to me like I'm five.

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I started as a Catholic. 1st through 12th grade to Catholic Schools (St. Francis and Strake Jesuit in Houston).

Switched to Lutheran.

Now am Global Methodist.

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Let us know your next choice as you make your way down the cafeteria line. Hope your next church fits your ideas better than the *check notes* Global Methodists do.

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Why do you care? What does it matter to you? Will you judge him? I'm not Catholic, my kids are both baptized Catholics. If they decide to attend Catholic Church when they're on their own I'll be happy for them finding their place. I won't be going there but I'm certainly not going to dissuade them. Just because I believe some of the Catholic principles are wrong they're Christian and the vast majority of practicing Catholics are good and decent people.

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Because his post was an attempted dunk on the Catholic Church. That's why I care.
He offered up his personal details in that attempt so I used said details in my reply. Fire, heat, kitchen scenario.
Judge him? Not my place. But I don't have much respect for people who shop denominations until they get to the one they're comfortable with. Not just once but multiple times.
Jesus left us his Church and it's been around for 2000 years. To be Christian was to be Catholic for 1500 of those years.

To take a page from your post, I'm sure Aggie Infantry is good people too. No sarcasm intended there at all
But he was trying to make a point by sharing that and I replied in kind.

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Thanks, but let's not pretend Catholicism is just any ol denomination. It's akin to Mormonism in regards to how much of it is made up. It's the poster child in ignoring Deuteronomy 4:2. It's jumped the shark so much that whatever sitting pope is "in office" is worshipped more than our Lord and Savior himself. It's a cult of tradition and not in a good way, like our university. I know plenty of good Catholics…I just wish they'd pick up the good book and read it, rather than listen to the very picky and choosy portions that the Catholic Church quotes in mass.

I don't shop denominations…pretty big assumption there. It's one thing to have a Baptist church that adds a gymnasium for fellowship and who knows what God thinks of that and whether it's permissible in His eyes, but quite another to completely construct a man made religious governmental structure like the Catholic Church has done and just create a separate universe under some perceived authority.

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Anybody who attempts to make a point by comparing Catholicism to Mormonism doesn't deserve a serious response as it's an asinine comparison but I'll give you one anyway.
1) Regarding Deuteronomy 4:2:
When Moses issued that directive, it pertained specifically to the Mosaic Law as it existed then. It did not preclude God from providing additional revelation later through prophets, Jesus, or the apostles, which collectively formed the rest of Scripture.
Furthermore, if Deuteronomy 4:2 were an absolute ban on any new divine guidance, it would render later Old Testament books and the entire New Testament invalid. The instruction was meant to prevent the Israelites from altering the laws already received, not to prohibit God from delivering future revelations.

2) The papacy
No one "worships" the Pope and certainly no Catholic places the Pope above Jesus.
This just more of your hyperbolic nonsense.
The pope is our spiritual leader as Christ's earthly vicar. A successor of the first pope, Peter. Appointed by? You guessed it! Jesus himself.
3) Catholics don't read the Bible
Too many don't. But it's become a bit of a Protestant meme that Catholics are clueless about the Bible. It's simply not true. That stated, as I've aged (I'm in my sixth decade now) I've noticed more and more Catholic Bible study groups in parishes and in the community.
I wish more of us were more familiar with.
I wish more humans in general were.
4) I don't know who you are and didn't accuse you of shopping denominations. Unless you're Aggie Infantry and forgot to log out of your sock account
5) "Man made religious governmental structure" and "perceived authority":
Again, Jesus himself organized the Church via apostolic succession. Jesus established His Church and delegated His authority to the Apostles and their successors, the bishops. A continuous line of authority that ensures the preservation and transmission of Christ's teachings. Nothing perceived about that. He established the Church, not the Bible. This where so many Protestants get hung up. "If it's not in the Bible explicitly, it must be wrong." Nope.
The Magisterium exists as part of that organization and for a reason. Acts 15 shows us this very thing.

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Oh I'm well aware of Matthew 16 and very aware of the egregious extrapolations and vast assumptions made of those verses. To think that a few simple words turned into the circus of Catholicism and to think that's what was intended is lunacy. The sacred blood lines and all the pomp and circumstance also flies against everything we know about the new covenant, but that's just minor details I guess.

And, to suggest that popes aren't "worshipped" is a conversation ender. The church has done nothing to discourage the absolute idolatry of papal worship and in practice effectively promotes and encourages it (just not officially and certainly not in writing).

In either case, the continual moving of the goal posts and constant bending of the knee (and subsequent bending of the Gospel) is what this thread was all about. Those clowns in the Vatican just get more and more hypocritical by the day and bend whatever truths they need to in order to stay "cool" and not be cancelled.

Anyways, enough of the arguing. You're clearly a zealous Catholic and kudos to you. No judgment to you personally - I just wish your church got back to basics and threw public pressure out the window.

Ironic that the rainbow is a symbol of the covenant between God and man that he would never again destroy the Earth due to sinful behavior.

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Ironic that the rainbow is a symbol of the covenant between God and man that he would never again destroy the Earth, with water, due to sinful behavior.

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FIFY.

Jesus, thankfully, is alive.

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Ironic that the rainbow is a symbol of the covenant between God and man that he would never again destroy the Earth, with water, due to sinful behavior.

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FIFY.

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That is a little overly fine reading. God will never judge the whole world again until the end times. Humanity got too wicked, God redoes days two (separates the water from the skies and the water from the land) and three (creates dry land out of the ocean) of creation and starts anew with Noah.

God basically says I'm A) not going to reset humanity again and B) I'm putting down my bow against humanity and C) I am withdrawing from more direct contact with man and setting up angels to guide the nations.

We see parts of the world receive judgement for their sins (Sodom, Gomorrah, Canaan) but never the whole world at once.

i assure you Christ's Church has survived far stupider and more evil men than these.

These threads are always fascinating.

All it takes is one even that impacts less than 1 percent of the population and yet the entire church is dead.

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Catholism's doom is going to be its insistence on trying to keep up with culture, instead of following the Bible

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If 'following the Bible' was as simple as that you wouldn't have more than one type of Catholicism along with not only Protestants but multiple Protestant denominations and even divisions among denominations. There is obviously room for different interpretations of the Word. Anyone believing only their version of the Faith is the true faith is decidedly missing the mark.

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There is only one type of Catholicism. That's why it's called Catholicism.

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You are correct. I was thinking of the Eastern Orthodox churches, which started out as part of Catholicism but split from the Roman Catholic Church even though they still have several similarities. Regardless, my point was there is not one, monolithic Christian Church, which while having considerable shared beliefs among its various denominations is actually pretty diverse in the details. Too many people think the version they follow is the only 'true' version. There's room for everyone.

Protestants have the sparkle creed.
You fly the gay flag on your churches.
You ordain them.
You marry them.
And sponsor numerous inclusion efforts.

Yet you want to throw rocks at Catholics, clown world.

There's no point having this discussion as you very clearly have an agenda against Catholicism and no amount of evidence against your assumptions will change that.
Go ask any Catholic if they worship the Pope. Just one.
I know that's what you want to believe and refuse to come off your stance. But it's patently false and ergo renders all of your other arguments ineffectual and meaningless.
Same with your Matthew 16 comments. This has been a common Protestant argument my entire life and every bit of it so forced and ham fisted that it's nearly comical.
Finally, "my" Church is THE Church. It's OUR Church. I pray that the rest of my Christian brothers and sisters heed our Lord's appeal and come back to His church and be unified.

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i assure you Christ's Church has survived far stupider and more evil men than these.

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Yup. As stated above, we know how this story ends. The Church will be fine and we will triumph. Doesn't mean we won't have our fair share of battles until then.

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Ironic that the rainbow is a symbol of the covenant between God and man that he would never again destroy the Earth, with water, due to sinful behavior.

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That is a little overly fine reading. God will never judge the whole world again until the end times. Humanity got too wicked, God redoes days two (separates the water from the skies and the water from the land) and three (creates dry land out of the ocean) of creation and starts anew with Noah.

God basically says I'm A) not going to reset humanity again and B) I'm putting down my bow against humanity and C) I am withdrawing from more direct contact with man and setting up angels to guide the nations.

We see parts of the world receive judgement for their sins (Sodom, Gomorrah, Canaan) but never the whole world at once.

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Genesis 9:11. " establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth."

Some on F16 would take this quite literally.

Dead you say...not so. Satan is alive, well and enjoying his usual success in leading many souls astray. That won't change until His almighty return!!!!!!

What I always think is funny about these conversations is that we have Churches literally on the sites were Christ was born, and where Christ was crucified and resurrected. These places are nearly 1700 years old and have been celebrating the Catholic Mass/Divine Liturgy continuously since then. Acting like the Catholic Church would have been unrecognizable to people 1700 years ago who worshipped in the exact same spaces where Catholics and Orthodox worship today is laughable, yet protestants tell us that the church service in the converted pizza hut is "authentic biblical christianity" and the timeless celebration of the mass at the site of where God died is "an invention".

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These threads are always fascinating.

All it takes is one even that impacts less than 1 percent of the population and yet the entire church is dead.

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Thats how it starts. Prayer in school. Ten commandments. Abortions. It might be the less than 1%. Yet they are the ones doing the most damage.

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There's no point having this discussion as you very clearly have an agenda against Catholicism and no amount of evidence against your assumptions will change that.
Go ask any Catholic if they worship the Pope. Just one.
I know that's what you want to believe and refuse to come off your stance. But it's patently false and ergo renders all of your other arguments ineffectual and meaningless.
Same with your Matthew 16 comments. This has been a common Protestant argument my entire life and every bit of it so forced and ham fisted that it's nearly comical.
Finally, "my" Church is THE Church. It's OUR Church. I pray that the rest of my Christian brothers and sisters heed our Lord's appeal and come back to His church and be unified.

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I don't know if everyone has forgotten the Francis Papacy, but it was hard enough finding mass going catholics who actually liked the pope, much less worshipped him.

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Jesus, thankfully, is alive.

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He just got deported to Mexico.

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What I always think is funny about these conversations is that we have Churches literally on the sites were Christ was born, and where Christ was crucified and resurrected. These places are nearly 1700 years old and have been celebrating the Catholic Mass/Divine Liturgy continuously since then. Acting like the Catholic Church would have been unrecognizable to people 1700 years ago who worshipped in the exact same spaces where Catholics and Orthodox worship today is laughable, yet protestants tell us that the church service in the converted pizza hut is "authentic biblical christianity" and the timeless celebration of the mass at the site of where God died is "an invention".

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Ah yes, the gilded jewel encrusted cup of a carpenter.

What's laughable is equating what the building looks like on the outside to the souls on the inside. I'd say you're better than that, but you probably really think that's the case.

100% of the early Church after the apostles died was Catholic. The martyrs in the Coliseum were Catholic. We know this for a fact because they left us their writings.

So, I'm going with them over some hateful anonymous internet troll...

There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church.

Bless you all.

Ah yes, no worship there. The billions of dollars spent annually by Catholics on pilgrimages to simply get a glimpse of the pope's elbow would suggest otherwise, but I digress.

Having grown up in the Church of Christ (and the most conservative branch at that), I get the "our church is the church mentality"…and all the hair and wrongness that comes with it. I don't know which group is more stubborn between staunch Catholics and staunch Church or Christers…would be quite the death match.

If you can read the NT and think that Jesus desired for his church to be full of ceremonial pomp and circumstance and the establishment of a central governance that puts actual governments to shame, then by all means you're entitled to that opinion and interpretation. I'm also entitled to think that it's the literal opposite of what the Gospel was trying to establish. There is nothing in the new covenant that would even hint to me at suggesting that one human would be any closer to God and salvation by birth rite or by election than the next. Doesn't matter what you call them…pope, bishop, deacon, elder, preacher, pastor, cardinal, etc.

I don't have an agenda against Catholics personally. I do take issue with treating Catholicism as the "Christian authority" to give rule or opinion on every current event or moral threat, especially when they prove time and time again to have no backbone and a clear desire to fit in and carve a path for everyone and their dog, flying directly in the face of scripture.

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What I always think is funny about these conversations is that we have Churches literally on the sites were Christ was born, and where Christ was crucified and resurrected. These places are nearly 1700 years old and have been celebrating the Catholic Mass/Divine Liturgy continuously since then. Acting like the Catholic Church would have been unrecognizable to people 1700 years ago who worshipped in the exact same spaces where Catholics and Orthodox worship today is laughable, yet protestants tell us that the church service in the converted pizza hut is "authentic biblical christianity" and the timeless celebration of the mass at the site of where God died is "an invention".

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Ah yes, the gilded jewel encrusted cup of a carpenter.

What's laughable is equating what the building looks like on the outside to the souls on the inside. I'd say you're better than that, but you probably really think that's the case.

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I think you guys get too much of your theology from Indiana Jones. The ark of the Covenant was painstakingly build according to specifications from God itself with incorruptible wood and pure gold, ; the Catholic Church is the dwelling place of the new covenant; We act accordingly,

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You say you have a problem with appealing to the Churches authority but then you cite, as an authority, the gospels canonized by the authority of the Catholic Church.

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There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church.

Bless you all.

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I was raised Southern Baptist and have attended a Baptist church all my life. I have no hate for Catholics, Just hate for what the Catholic Church has become. Just as I have hate for what Baptist churches have become.

Its time for us Christians to stand up and demand our religious leaders to follow the true beliefs of God's word and stop allowing the less than 1% to have a voice in the house of the Lord.

It makes me sick their are churches that placate to this freaks and act like they are holier than thou.

Say what you want. There are warnings in the Bible about homosexuality. In the new testament and old testament.

To say "I am a good Catholic" is to be a bad Catholic.

You're all my brothers in Christ.

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What I always think is funny about these conversations is that we have Churches literally on the sites were Christ was born, and where Christ was crucified and resurrected. These places are nearly 1700 years old and have been celebrating the Catholic Mass/Divine Liturgy continuously since then. Acting like the Catholic Church would have been unrecognizable to people 1700 years ago who worshipped in the exact same spaces where Catholics and Orthodox worship today is laughable, yet protestants tell us that the church service in the converted pizza hut is "authentic biblical christianity" and the timeless celebration of the mass at the site of where God died is "an invention".

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Ah yes, the gilded jewel encrusted cup of a carpenter.

What's laughable is equating what the building looks like on the outside to the souls on the inside. I'd say you're better than that, but you probably really think that's the case.

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I think you guys get too much of your theology from Indiana Jones. The ark of the Covenant was painstakingly build according to specifications from God itself with incorruptible wood and pure gold, ; the Catholic Church is the dwelling place of the new covenant; We act accordingly,

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Nope. We just go to the source.

"Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust[a] destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal."

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What I always think is funny about these conversations is that we have Churches literally on the sites were Christ was born, and where Christ was crucified and resurrected. These places are nearly 1700 years old and have been celebrating the Catholic Mass/Divine Liturgy continuously since then. Acting like the Catholic Church would have been unrecognizable to people 1700 years ago who worshipped in the exact same spaces where Catholics and Orthodox worship today is laughable, yet protestants tell us that the church service in the converted pizza hut is "authentic biblical christianity" and the timeless celebration of the mass at the site of where God died is "an invention".

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Ah yes, the gilded jewel encrusted cup of a carpenter.

What's laughable is equating what the building looks like on the outside to the souls on the inside. I'd say you're better than that, but you probably really think that's the case.

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I think you guys get too much of your theology from Indiana Jones. The ark of the Covenant was painstakingly build according to specifications from God itself with incorruptible wood and pure gold, ; the Catholic Church is the dwelling place of the new covenant; We act accordingly,

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Nope. We just go to the source.

"Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust[a] destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal."

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These aren't our treasures, they're God's, they're for him. The pastor of my church has a bachelor's, a master's degree, and a doctorate and makes about $12k a year plus room and board.

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What I always think is funny about these conversations is that we have Churches literally on the sites were Christ was born, and where Christ was crucified and resurrected. These places are nearly 1700 years old and have been celebrating the Catholic Mass/Divine Liturgy continuously since then. Acting like the Catholic Church would have been unrecognizable to people 1700 years ago who worshipped in the exact same spaces where Catholics and Orthodox worship today is laughable, yet protestants tell us that the church service in the converted pizza hut is "authentic biblical christianity" and the timeless celebration of the mass at the site of where God died is "an invention".

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Ah yes, the gilded jewel encrusted cup of a carpenter.

What's laughable is equating what the building looks like on the outside to the souls on the inside. I'd say you're better than that, but you probably really think that's the case.

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I think you guys get too much of your theology from Indiana Jones. The ark of the Covenant was painstakingly build according to specifications from God itself with incorruptible wood and pure gold, ; the Catholic Church is the dwelling place of the new covenant; We act accordingly,

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Nope. We just go to the source.

"Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust[a] destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal."

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These aren't our treasures, they're God's, they're for him. The pastor of my church has a bachelor's, a master's degree, and a doctorate and makes about $12k a year plus room and board.

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God doesn't need treasure. Sell it all and give it to the poor. And we're obviously not talking about pastors salaries. Don't hurt your back moving them goalposts.

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What I always think is funny about these conversations is that we have Churches literally on the sites were Christ was born, and where Christ was crucified and resurrected. These places are nearly 1700 years old and have been celebrating the Catholic Mass/Divine Liturgy continuously since then. Acting like the Catholic Church would have been unrecognizable to people 1700 years ago who worshipped in the exact same spaces where Catholics and Orthodox worship today is laughable, yet protestants tell us that the church service in the converted pizza hut is "authentic biblical christianity" and the timeless celebration of the mass at the site of where God died is "an invention".

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Ah yes, the gilded jewel encrusted cup of a carpenter.

What's laughable is equating what the building looks like on the outside to the souls on the inside. I'd say you're better than that, but you probably really think that's the case.

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I think you guys get too much of your theology from Indiana Jones. The ark of the Covenant was painstakingly build according to specifications from God itself with incorruptible wood and pure gold, ; the Catholic Church is the dwelling place of the new covenant; We act accordingly,

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Nope. We just go to the source.

"Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust[a] destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal."

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These aren't our treasures, they're God's, they're for him. The pastor of my church has a bachelor's, a master's degree, and a doctorate and makes about $12k a year plus room and board.

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. Sell it all and give it to the poor.

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Why was the ointment wasted like that? For this ointment could have been sold for more than three hundred denarii and given to the poor.

I understand what youre saying, just being obtuse to give you a hard time.

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in either case, we non-Catholics are always so amazed to find the amusement park mentality that poured forth from a couple of polarizing and controversial, mass interpreted verses in Matthew. But hey, I can't give the catholic church all the credit there....unfortunately the amusement park mentality of building whatever you want, spending whatever you want, doing whatever you want under the umbrella of "this will help convert souls" goes well beyond the catholic church to the majority of modern Christianity.

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What I always think is funny about these conversations is that we have Churches literally on the sites were Christ was born, and where Christ was crucified and resurrected. These places are nearly 1700 years old and have been celebrating the Catholic Mass/Divine Liturgy continuously since then. Acting like the Catholic Church would have been unrecognizable to people 1700 years ago who worshipped in the exact same spaces where Catholics and Orthodox worship today is laughable, yet protestants tell us that the church service in the converted pizza hut is "authentic biblical christianity" and the timeless celebration of the mass at the site of where God died is "an invention".

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Ah yes, the gilded jewel encrusted cup of a carpenter.

What's laughable is equating what the building looks like on the outside to the souls on the inside. I'd say you're better than that, but you probably really think that's the case.

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I think you guys get too much of your theology from Indiana Jones. The ark of the Covenant was painstakingly build according to specifications from God itself with incorruptible wood and pure gold, ; the Catholic Church is the dwelling place of the new covenant; We act accordingly,

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Nope. We just go to the source.

"Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust[a] destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal."

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These aren't our treasures, they're God's, they're for him. The pastor of my church has a bachelor's, a master's degree, and a doctorate and makes about $12k a year plus room and board.

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God doesn't need treasure. Sell it all and give it to the poor. And we're obviously not talking about pastors salaries. Don't hurt your back moving them goalposts.

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Why don't the people who are going to buy the treasure, just give the money to the poor instead?

Also, if God doesn't need treasure, why did he have so much Gold on the ark?