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If you're so proud that he eventually changed his mind due to political inconvenience, then you should acknowledge his failure to move the needle before Jan. 20. Four additional months.

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What makes you think that this was due to political inconvenience? You do realize that our understanding of COVID was lightyears better in August of 2020 than it was in March 2020, right? Mostly due to Operation Warp Speed.

I actually have a decent amount of sympathy for people that wanted to do some extreme things in March 2020, but had changed their mind by the end of the 2020 summer. I was against everything done more than the promised 2 weeks to keep the hospitals from being inundated. That actually made logical sense. We were trying to slow the spread so that it took a little longer for everyone to get exposed to best utilize hospital capacity. But the assumption under slow the spread was that, eventually, everyone was going to be exposed. Somehow, that changed to doing everything possible to give governments more power under the excuse of curing COVID, which was going to be impossible to do, and everyone that understood anything about coronaviruses, or had looked up coronaviruses over the summer, knew that.

The really smart people (not me, unfortunately) realized that once government is granted new power, they rarely give it back without a knock-down drag-out fight.

The government's COVID response is the primary driver in the American decline in confidence of pretty much every American institution.

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But I have been told repeatedly on this board that Covid was not a serious disease and the whole thing was blown out of proportion. Now it killed millions???

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It killed many elderly people who had no chance against it. They would have likely died eventually, but the dems helped it along by discharging covid patients from hospitals into nursing homes. Lots of older folks died alone with no contact from their families because Fauci and friends insisted on isolating people who were at almost no risk from the disease.

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Absolutely love how convenient rightists seem to forget all the lockdowns and Fauci stuff started with President Trump.

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Bwhahaha. So now the Wu Flu response by govt is Trumps fault? What a time to be alive.

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But I have been told repeatedly on this board that Covid was not a serious disease and the whole thing was blown out of proportion. Now it killed millions???

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It killed many elderly people who had no chance against it. They would have likely died eventually, but the dems helped it along by discharging covid patients from hospitals into nursing homes. Lots of older folks died alone with no contact from their families because Fauci and friends insisted on isolating people who were at almost no risk from the disease.

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Absolutely love how convenient rightists seem to forget all the lockdowns and Fauci stuff started with President Trump.

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Bwhahaha. So now the Wu Flu response by govt is Trumps fault? What a time to be alive.

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Is it not a fact that lock downs started in early 2020? Is it not also a fact that POTUS was President Trump? Take your trolling elsewhere.

Aside from any potential side effects of the mRNA vaccines, was the effectiveness of the vaccine against constantly mutating Covid. The original vaccine was 'approved' for the original strain of Covid, however by the time they rolled it out the virus was beginning to mutate and by summer of 2021 it had completely mutated to Delta variant. However the sequence of the original vaccine was designed to fight against the original variant, not delta and certainly not omicron and its multiple variants. When the virus mutates, the mRNA sequence has to change to provide full protection against the mutated virus, and the more mutations, the less effective the vaccine.

The problem was they knew this but billions had been sunk to create a vaccine to protect against the original variant so essentially they gave everyone a false premonition that the vaccine would work against the mutations. Most people in the scientific community would and should know this but the can was already kicked too far down the road. Not only this, but the only 'approved' version of the vax was the original. They had to create a narrative to explain that the original variant would work against the mutations. Would it have some effectiveness, sure, but not enough to prevent a person from contracting the virus.

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If you're so proud that he eventually changed his mind due to political inconvenience, then you should acknowledge his failure to move the needle before Jan. 20. Four additional months.

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No, he deferred to states rights in this case. The shutdowns were states rights as the the Constitution and rulings by the courts described.

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The whole Covid vaccine issue is funny with Republicans yesterday praising President Trump about them. They mentioned nominating President Trump for a Nobel prize for Operation Warp Speed. If rightist think it was so dangerous, why should President Trump get a Nobel prize for introducing such poison? (Don't whatabout Obama. I don't agree with that one either.)

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One thing is for certain, the amount of global collaboration in the scientific community around COVID was pretty impressive, and, in my understanding, was unprecedented.

There is a huge difference between getting the worlds best virologists on board to better understand the virus and treatments to the virus, and making an experimental gene therapy mandatory for anyone that wants to keep a job. Mandating that the entire US armed forces get an experimental mRNA jab, telling parents to use an experimental gene therapy on their toddlers, closing down businesses and mandating useless paper masks, all of that was pure tyranny.

Recall that Trump was one of the biggest supporters of operation warp speed AND Ivermectin AND re-opening the US before the end of 2020.

My only fault with Trump on COVID is not ****-canning Fauci sometime around July 2020.

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Agreed, although I disagreed with President Trump's Administration sending out checks to all Americans due to COVID.

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But I have been told repeatedly on this board that Covid was not a serious disease and the whole thing was blown out of proportion. Now it killed millions???

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It killed many elderly people who had no chance against it. They would have likely died eventually, but the dems helped it along by discharging covid patients from hospitals into nursing homes. Lots of older folks died alone with no contact from their families because Fauci and friends insisted on isolating people who were at almost no risk from the disease.

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Absolutely love how convenient rightists seem to forget all the lockdowns and Fauci stuff started with President Trump.

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Bwhahaha. So now the Wu Flu response by govt is Trumps fault? What a time to be alive.

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Is it not a fact that lock downs started in early 2020? Is it not also a fact that POTUS was President Trump? Take your trolling elsewhere.

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There is the issue concerning state's rights you are neglecting.

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I like a whole lot of the MAHA side of Bobby, we have a big time food problem in the USA and it is killing our kids and likely the cause of autism.

As far as the cause of Autism, Bobby said he was doing to tell us this month, so I'm waiting for the big news. My personal opinion is that it is a toxic soup of all the non-food stuff in our food system and old parents.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0z9nmzvdlo

He has a LONG history of being very anti-vax across the board. He has been pretty shifty when directly asked recently. I'm a big fan of the vaccines we have been using since 1999 as that is a large volume of data to prove safety. There was a great study recently out of Denmark showing that the dose of aluminum received from vaccines does not correlate with autoimmune or neurological problems.
Large Danish Study: No link between vaccines and autism or 49 other health conditions

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The Danish study fudged the data for their primary published result. When you look at the full data conclusion in their supplement, it actually shows a strong link between the amount of aluminum exposure and autism. The authors also have big pharma ties so it's possible this whole article was really just a MAHA hit piece.

https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com

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I couldn't find anything about the Denmark article on that website. Even searching from their pull down menu there is 1 article with aluminum from 2019.

This journal also seems to be completely anti vax. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

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Aside from any potential side effects of the mRNA vaccines, was the effectiveness of the vaccine against constantly mutating Covid. The original vaccine was 'approved' for the original strain of Covid, however by the time they rolled it out the virus was beginning to mutate and by summer of 2021 it had completely mutated to Delta variant. However the sequence of the original vaccine was designed to fight against the original variant, not delta and certainly not omicron and its multiple variants. When the virus mutates, the mRNA sequence has to change to provide full protection against the mutated virus, and the more mutations, the less effective the vaccine.

The problem was they knew this but billions had been sunk to create a vaccine to protect against the original variant so essentially they gave everyone a false premonition that the vaccine would work against the mutations. Most people in the scientific community would and should know this but the can was already kicked too far down the road. Not only this, but the only 'approved' version of the vax was the original. They had to create a narrative to explain that the original variant would work against the mutations. Would it have some effectiveness, sure, but not enough to prevent a person from contracting the virus.

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Agreed. The virologists that had any ethics and morals pointed this out very early, I believe in March of 2020.

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But I have been told repeatedly on this board that Covid was not a serious disease and the whole thing was blown out of proportion. Now it killed millions???

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It killed many elderly people who had no chance against it. They would have likely died eventually, but the dems helped it along by discharging covid patients from hospitals into nursing homes. Lots of older folks died alone with no contact from their families because Fauci and friends insisted on isolating people who were at almost no risk from the disease.

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Absolutely love how convenient rightists seem to forget all the lockdowns and Fauci stuff started with President Trump.

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Bwhahaha. So now the Wu Flu response by govt is Trumps fault? What a time to be alive.

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I hold Trump to be a contributor to the government's response to COVID during the period from March 2020 to around August 2020. After that, Trump was fighting for freedom, not lock-downs. I also hold him accountable for not firing Fauci, which he absolutely should have done, but didn't due to it being an election year.

That said, what the government did between March and 2020 and August 2020 was pretty cowardly and not helpful, but what happened between September 2020 through the end of 2022 was downright evil tyranny that only benefited pharma companies and government officials, while destroying the lives of many Americans.

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But I have been told repeatedly on this board that Covid was not a serious disease and the whole thing was blown out of proportion. Now it killed millions???

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It killed many elderly people who had no chance against it. They would have likely died eventually, but the dems helped it along by discharging covid patients from hospitals into nursing homes. Lots of older folks died alone with no contact from their families because Fauci and friends insisted on isolating people who were at almost no risk from the disease.

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Absolutely love how convenient rightists seem to forget all the lockdowns and Fauci stuff started with President Trump.

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Bwhahaha. So now the Wu Flu response by govt is Trumps fault? What a time to be alive.

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Is it not a fact that lock downs started in early 2020? Is it not also a fact that POTUS was President Trump? Take your trolling elsewhere.

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What is your take on all of the things that Trump did to fight the lockdowns while still president, which he was routinely ridiculed for by Dems and the press?

What is your take on the bailouts? Or Trump fast tracking the covid "vax"?

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But I have been told repeatedly on this board that Covid was not a serious disease and the whole thing was blown out of proportion. Now it killed millions???

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It killed many elderly people who had no chance against it. They would have likely died eventually, but the dems helped it along by discharging covid patients from hospitals into nursing homes. Lots of older folks died alone with no contact from their families because Fauci and friends insisted on isolating people who were at almost no risk from the disease.

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Absolutely love how convenient rightists seem to forget all the lockdowns and Fauci stuff started with President Trump.

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Bwhahaha. So now the Wu Flu response by govt is Trumps fault? What a time to be alive.

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Is it not a fact that lock downs started in early 2020? Is it not also a fact that POTUS was President Trump? Take your trolling elsewhere.

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Ummm. Context doesn't matter anymore? And I'm not a troll. I do like to poke the bear from time to time no doubt.

But seriously. Get real if you're blaming Trump on lockdowns.

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What is your take on the bailouts? Or Trump fast tracking the covid "vax"?

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Operation Warp speed taught us an amazing amount about Covid quickly. Good. We released a bad "vax" anyways. Bad. FDA purposefully memory holed Novavax. Criminal.

Hated PPP much more than the individual checks. Both rampant with fraud. What i do like is that the individual checks were only sent to people that had filed their FIT in 2019 and 2020.

But, as lot of this angst is revisionist history. There were less than 5 prominent politicians that were more vocal against the lock downs than Trump.

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But I have been told repeatedly on this board that Covid was not a serious disease and the whole thing was blown out of proportion. Now it killed millions???

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It killed many elderly people who had no chance against it. They would have likely died eventually, but the dems helped it along by discharging covid patients from hospitals into nursing homes. Lots of older folks died alone with no contact from their families because Fauci and friends insisted on isolating people who were at almost no risk from the disease.

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Absolutely love how convenient rightists seem to forget all the lockdowns and Fauci stuff started with President Trump.

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Bwhahaha. So now the Wu Flu response by govt is Trumps fault? What a time to be alive.

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Is it not a fact that lock downs started in early 2020? Is it not also a fact that POTUS was President Trump? Take your trolling elsewhere.

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There is the issue concerning state's rights you are neglecting.

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Hasn't been an issue with the current administration. We have an executive order problem dating back to at least President Obama.

A study by the Cleveland Clinic shows that the more COVID boosters you get, the more likely you are to get COVID. Perhaps somebody should've shown this data to @SenatorHassan before she tried to grill @RobertKennedyJr.

Full report: https://t.co/PNENsMQtYq pic.twitter.com/iaVPXFeUOx

— Chris Martenson (@chrismartenson) September 8, 2025

Maybe your leader will talk some sense into you guys.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DORUPJYkbvb/?igsh=MW96YWswcnowbm51

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Maybe your leader will talk some sense into you guys.

https://instagr.am/p/DORUPJYkbvb

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