Gold yet another all time high

19,142 Views | 208 Replies | Last: 2 days ago by CheeseSndwch
Dungeon Crawler Carl
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Quote:

Consumers and normies remain ignorant of what's going on.


They are starting to see the light....

Can't get/don't want to go to a store for physical, pile into the ETFs (without understanding the ETFs are just another form of a paper contact)


Dungeon Crawler Carl
How long do you want to ignore this user?
LMCane said:

anyone know if the Gold Miners stocks are doing just as well as the actual underlying price of GLD?

I only follow miners a the periphery but from what I hear its tracking pretty well. The silver miners in SIL and SILJ seem to lagging behind.

Listened to this discussion yesterday in the truck. It's a long one covering a variety of subjects but they talk about Gold/Silver and miners starting around 47 min mark.

Heineken-Ashi
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

Quote:

Consumers and normies remain ignorant of what's going on.


They are starting to see the light....

Can't get/don't want to go to a store for physical, pile into the ETFs (without understanding the ETFs are just another form of a paper contact)




When retail and general public start jumping in, you are close to the top.
Dungeon Crawler Carl
How long do you want to ignore this user?
In a normal functioning market, yes. There are so many abnormal factors driving this though. The price differences in China, India and COMEX alone are going to drive this for a while.

It's not just silver and gold. The other metals are on a tear too. Copper, Nickel, Platinum etc.
Dungeon Crawler Carl
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Quote:

I have no faith in such a system.

Neither did the Germans.....


94chem
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Gold is fiat because it has no intrinsic value. On top of that, it can be printed (mined) indefinitely, just like paper money. It may have been around longer, but it still requires faith to believe it's valuable. The amount of gold available FAR exceeds any applications.

Platinum and Palladium, however, are not fiat, because they are commodities critical for the economy, particularly in catalysis.

As for land, intellectual property, labor, articles of commerce...I think you can see the difference.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
KingofHazor
How long do you want to ignore this user?
You misunderstand me or perhaps I misunderstand you. The gold folks think that a gold or gold/silver standard will enforce fiscal discipline and prevent deficit spending. My point is that it won't and historically hasn't. What prevents deficit spending is personal morality.

Every government in the world since the beginning of time has ultimately engaged in deficit spending, even though the vast majority of them were on a gold or gold/silver standard.
Logos Stick
How long do you want to ignore this user?
94chem said:

Gold is fiat because it has no intrinsic value. On top of that, it can be printed (mined) indefinitely, just like paper money. It may have been around longer, but it still requires faith to believe it's valuable. The amount of gold available FAR exceeds any applications.

Platinum and Palladium, however, are not fiat, because they are commodities critical for the economy, particularly in catalysis.

As for land, intellectual property, labor, articles of commerce...I think you can see the difference.


It has intrinsic value. As far as mining more... it's not sitting 10 feet under the earth in a single spot. The easy gold is all mined. Modern gold mining mostly targets deep, low-grade ore. Thousands of feet underground. We're scraping the barrel geologically now.
Sid Farkas
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Silver in particular has gone full meme stock.

I'm holding at a very low cost basis, not buying...or selling.
94chem
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Logos Stick said:

94chem said:

Gold is fiat because it has no intrinsic value. On top of that, it can be printed (mined) indefinitely, just like paper money. It may have been around longer, but it still requires faith to believe it's valuable. The amount of gold available FAR exceeds any applications.

Platinum and Palladium, however, are not fiat, because they are commodities critical for the economy, particularly in catalysis.

As for land, intellectual property, labor, articles of commerce...I think you can see the difference.


It has intrinsic value. As far as mining more... it's not sitting 10 feet under the earth in a single spot. The easy gold is all mined. Modern gold mining mostly targets deep, low-grade ore. Thousands of feet underground. We're scraping the barrel geologically now.


Yeah, it's just like oil, but not as useful. There's a crap-ton of it available, but eventually the cost of extraction will outweigh the selling price, forcing a move to other mediums of exchange...or energy sources.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
Heineken-Ashi
How long do you want to ignore this user?
KingofHazor said:

You misunderstand me or perhaps I misunderstand you. The gold folks think that a gold or gold/silver standard will enforce fiscal discipline and prevent deficit spending. My point is that it won't and historically hasn't. What prevents deficit spending is personal morality.

Every government in the world since the beginning of time has ultimately engaged in deficit spending, even though the vast majority of them were on a gold or gold/silver standard.

I do agree. But stretching fiat that is pegged to something significantly beyond it's reasonable bounds causes a direct economic reaction that fixes it naturally. Fiat pegged to nothing just stretches until its snapped.
Logos Stick
How long do you want to ignore this user?
94chem said:

Logos Stick said:

94chem said:

Gold is fiat because it has no intrinsic value. On top of that, it can be printed (mined) indefinitely, just like paper money. It may have been around longer, but it still requires faith to believe it's valuable. The amount of gold available FAR exceeds any applications.

Platinum and Palladium, however, are not fiat, because they are commodities critical for the economy, particularly in catalysis.

As for land, intellectual property, labor, articles of commerce...I think you can see the difference.


It has intrinsic value. As far as mining more... it's not sitting 10 feet under the earth in a single spot. The easy gold is all mined. Modern gold mining mostly targets deep, low-grade ore. Thousands of feet underground. We're scraping the barrel geologically now.


Yeah, it's just like oil, but not as useful. There's a crap-ton of it available, but eventually the cost of extraction will outweigh the selling price, forcing a move to other mediums of exchange...or energy sources.


Ok, I think I see the problem. You don't understand what "intrinsic" means. Intrinsic doesn't mean useful. Perhaps you should look up the definition.
94chem
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Logos Stick said:

94chem said:

Logos Stick said:

94chem said:

Gold is fiat because it has no intrinsic value. On top of that, it can be printed (mined) indefinitely, just like paper money. It may have been around longer, but it still requires faith to believe it's valuable. The amount of gold available FAR exceeds any applications.

Platinum and Palladium, however, are not fiat, because they are commodities critical for the economy, particularly in catalysis.

As for land, intellectual property, labor, articles of commerce...I think you can see the difference.


It has intrinsic value. As far as mining more... it's not sitting 10 feet under the earth in a single spot. The easy gold is all mined. Modern gold mining mostly targets deep, low-grade ore. Thousands of feet underground. We're scraping the barrel geologically now.


Yeah, it's just like oil, but not as useful. There's a crap-ton of it available, but eventually the cost of extraction will outweigh the selling price, forcing a move to other mediums of exchange...or energy sources.


Ok, I think I see the problem. You don't understand what "intrinsic" means. Intrinsic doesn't mean useful. Perhaps you should look up the definition.


Oil has intrinsic value; gold does not. Useful and intrinsic are intertwined in these examples. Go pick a fight somewhere else in your vortex.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
BonfireNerd04
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I own 1.25 oz of gold (not counting my Aggie Ring). Wish I had bought more when it was cheap.
Logos Stick
How long do you want to ignore this user?
94chem said:

Logos Stick said:

94chem said:

Logos Stick said:

94chem said:

Gold is fiat because it has no intrinsic value. On top of that, it can be printed (mined) indefinitely, just like paper money. It may have been around longer, but it still requires faith to believe it's valuable. The amount of gold available FAR exceeds any applications.

Platinum and Palladium, however, are not fiat, because they are commodities critical for the economy, particularly in catalysis.

As for land, intellectual property, labor, articles of commerce...I think you can see the difference.


It has intrinsic value. As far as mining more... it's not sitting 10 feet under the earth in a single spot. The easy gold is all mined. Modern gold mining mostly targets deep, low-grade ore. Thousands of feet underground. We're scraping the barrel geologically now.


Yeah, it's just like oil, but not as useful. There's a crap-ton of it available, but eventually the cost of extraction will outweigh the selling price, forcing a move to other mediums of exchange...or energy sources.


Ok, I think I see the problem. You don't understand what "intrinsic" means. Intrinsic doesn't mean useful. Perhaps you should look up the definition.


Oil has intrinsic value; gold does not. Useful and intrinsic are intertwined in these examples. Go pick a fight somewhere else in your vortex.


Intrinsic and useful are not synonyms. Gold has intrinsic value.

Since you don't know the definition of intrinsic, here it is: "belonging to the thing itself, inherent, built-in, natural to it (independent of external factors)"
Logos Stick
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Silver is almost $110 right now. Unbelievable.
Mas89
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
94chem said:

Gold is fiat because it has no intrinsic value. On top of that, it can be printed (mined) indefinitely, just like paper money. It may have been around longer, but it still requires faith to believe it's valuable. The amount of gold available FAR exceeds any applications.

Platinum and Palladium, however, are not fiat, because they are commodities critical for the economy, particularly in catalysis.

As for land, intellectual property, labor, articles of commerce...I think you can see the difference.

Acktually, an American gold eagle has a $50 face value, the same as a $50 bill. And half, quarter, and 1/10 eagles also have a corresponding face value, as do some british and other countries gold coin

And the intrinsic value of gold or any other precious metal is the current price of the metal multiplied by the weight. Please google before making this foolish argument again.
CatD11Ag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
I bought $10MM raw silver at ~$37 per ounce.
I am still buying.
Do all trades and storage with Miles Franklin as he tipped me to silver in mid 2025.
Andy Schectman - $100 / ounce silver is not the sell. Buy it / hold it.
KingofHazor
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Mas89 said:

94chem said:

Gold is fiat because it has no intrinsic value. On top of that, it can be printed (mined) indefinitely, just like paper money. It may have been around longer, but it still requires faith to believe it's valuable. The amount of gold available FAR exceeds any applications.

Platinum and Palladium, however, are not fiat, because they are commodities critical for the economy, particularly in catalysis.

As for land, intellectual property, labor, articles of commerce...I think you can see the difference.

Acktually, an American gold eagle has a $50 face value, the same as a $50 bill. And half, quarter, and 1/10 eagles also have a corresponding face value, as do some british and other countries gold coin

And the intrinsic value of gold or any other precious metal is the current price of the metal multiplied by the weight. Please google before making this foolish argument again.

His argument is not foolish at all. It is similar to those made by many respected people in finance, Warren Buffett being the most famous.

Gold does have some intrinsic value to the extent that it is used in technological applications and perhaps other uses. Otherwise, gold is clearly fiat in that it has value simply because enough people believe that it has value. It's not fiat in the sense that government today set its value (although they did in the past), but it largely has no more intrinsic value than does a paper dollar.
Dungeon Crawler Carl
How long do you want to ignore this user?




So now that we've put the "intrinsic value" debate to bed.....what do we want to discuss now?


How about the "Arbitrage" between east and west?

  • Does this price reflect the added VAT?
  • When does this market level out?
  • Are the Chinese going to rug pull us at some point?
  • When will Trump make his appearance with a silver or gold Truth Social post blaming the Chinese for unfair practices?
  • Will the FED step in to bailout banks with offsides silver shorts? (I'll answer this one.... ABSOLUTELY YES. Banks have played the short game all along because they knew that they have Daddy Fed to get them out of trouble)
lobopride
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Would the Fed save the European banks? I doubt it. Those are the ones massively short silver.
Queso1
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Yes. And they'll do it to your detriment while telling you that it's for your own good. You will own nothing and be happy.

The middle class is still paying for the bailouts, QE and the covid insanity. Go ahead…add this in. Silver and gold will go parabolic (even if it hasn't already).
CatD11Ag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Transcript from interview - this info is free on YouTube.

What Should Folks Do If/When We Hit $100 Silver and $5,000 Gold: Sell, Buy More, or Continue Holding?
Andy Schectman argues that reaching these round-number milestones shouldn't prompt selling, as gold and silver have historically been denied true price discovery due to market manipulation. He points to unprecedented delivery volumes on the Comexover 110 million ounces of silver in the last 40 daysas evidence of sustained demand from sophisticated, well-funded entities like central banks and sovereign nations. These deliveries outpace anything seen before, even surpassing the tech boom's impact on stocks, and suggest the metals are repricing to reflect their real value amid global distrust in fiat systems.
He views short-term corrections as normal and even beneficial, driven by leverage and positioning rather than surplus supply. Schectman stresses that the real risk isn't a price drop but future scarcity, where premiums could skyrocket and physical metal becomes hard to obtain. He promises to signal when it's time to exit but insists we're far from that point, with indicators like high lease rates and Shanghai premiums signaling market tightness.
Overall, he advocates balancing short-term caution with long-term conviction, noting that attempts to suppress priceslike margin hikeshave failed against cash-rich buyers. This shift from past cycles, where speculation was easily quashed, points to a prolonged uptrend.

At Current Delivery Rates, Is There a Timeline for Draining Exchanges Like the LBMA or Comex?
At current flows, Schectman warns that exchanges could face significant strain, potentially draining within months if trends persist. He cites expert David Jensen's analysis of the LBMA, which holds 700-800 million ounces, much of it tied to ETFs and not for sale, leaving a disputed 140 million-ounce float against 2 billion ounces of paper contracts. Comex has seen record deliveries68 million ounces in December alonesuggesting sovereign players are "papercutting" the West to death by quietly accumulating without blowing up the system.
He attributes delays to a lack of instant gratification mindset; nations avoid aggressive buying to prevent panics, but U.S. actions like tariffs (framed as reshoring) aim to counter this. Past events, like Bear Stearns' collapse from silver shorts, illustrate the risksif a failure to deliver occurs, it could trigger contagion across financial markets.
Schectman ties this to historical suppression for military and economic reasons, like Gibson's paradox, but notes trust erosion post-Russia sanctions accelerates the drain. He urges watching deliveries as the key indicator, predicting chaos if unaddressed.
How Does The Global Return To Mercantilism Impact Metal Scarcity?
Schectman agrees we're shifting from globalization to mercantilism, where nations prioritize self-interest over cooperation, scrambling for strategic metals like silver. He credits analysts like Michael Every for foreseeing this return to historical norms, where countries like China never fully abandoned mercantilism and now exploit Western openness. This "me first" mindset drives hoarding, with sovereigns building reserves amid eroding trust in U.S. Treasuries and weaponized dollars.
He connects this to dual trends: true price discovery after suppression, and increasing scarcity as silver miningmostly a byproduct of other metalscan't ramp up quickly. Nations compete aggressively, using tools like BRICS networks for local currency trades backed by gold, bypassing SWIFT. The U.S., under Trump, is responding by reshoring and flipping bank positions from short to long, exposing European shorts.
This geopolitical Game of Thrones, as Schectman calls it, amplifies scarcity, potentially pushing prices far higher. He sees it as essential for national security, urging the U.S. to prioritize manufacturing and borders to avoid insolvency.

Adam also has an interesting interview out with Rick Rule
regarding oil & gas stocks.
Queso1
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
A lot of words. Things I know:

Banks wrote paper silver that they didn't own. They did this for a variety of reasons, but in the end they were doing it to suppress silver prices. Almost like an inverse Ponzi scheme.

Debt is over $38T.

Interest rates are artificially low to prop up an artificial stock market.

Biden weaponized the dollar against Russia.

I'm not selling.
Dungeon Crawler Carl
How long do you want to ignore this user?
lobopride said:

Would the Fed save the European banks? I doubt it. Those are the ones massively short silver.

The US banks are just NET Long at this point. If one or two get caught offsides the FED will step in.

If HSBC, Credit Suisse, Deutsche, UBS, or other TBTFs start to blow up the FED might step in just to contain contagion risk.

Vid below ties into this.


If you've never listened to Tom Luongo, give him a try. He's an interesting dude and wicked smart.

His theory is that this is Trump and Bessent in league with the Chinese squeezing the City of London/old European oligarchs to gain pricing control of the precious metals market.

In other words, a kinetic financial war.

It's a little white hats coming to save us but he backs is argument with facts and history. In this scenario, IMO Trump will TACO at some point and let them off the hook (thus my Fed euro bank bailout comment)





Dungeon Crawler Carl
How long do you want to ignore this user?

For all of you doubters.....the inverse Cramer has entered the chat.

CatD11Ag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
You are correct.
Schectman is the best resource I have found on precious metals and he is very honest and provides an inexpensive storage solution.

Will not get into what the banks did but with the interest on the national debt I am holding silver and gold for the foreseeable future.
Dungeon Crawler Carl
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I bought from Miles Franklin in the past. Solid company led by Andy.

He's not shy about why he moved out of MN a few years ago.....
Mas89
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
KingofHazor said:

Mas89 said:

94chem said:

Gold is fiat because it has no intrinsic value. On top of that, it can be printed (mined) indefinitely, just like paper money. It may have been around longer, but it still requires faith to believe it's valuable. The amount of gold available FAR exceeds any applications.

Platinum and Palladium, however, are not fiat, because they are commodities critical for the economy, particularly in catalysis.

As for land, intellectual property, labor, articles of commerce...I think you can see the difference.

Acktually, an American gold eagle has a $50 face value, the same as a $50 bill. And half, quarter, and 1/10 eagles also have a corresponding face value, as do some british and other countries gold coin

And the intrinsic value of gold or any other precious metal is the current price of the metal multiplied by the weight. Please google before making this foolish argument again.

His argument is not foolish at all. It is similar to those made by many respected people in finance, Warren Buffett being the most famous.

Gold does have some intrinsic value to the extent that it is used in technological applications and perhaps other uses. Otherwise, gold is clearly fiat in that it has value simply because enough people believe that it has value. It's not fiat in the sense that government today set its value (although they did in the past), but it largely has no more intrinsic value than does a paper dollar.

I understand your point but respectfully disagree. I do agree with HA that a blow-off top will happen in the metals markets just as it does in the stock market.
Long term, I think the World is moving fiat money (currency) into hard assets like metals as the U.S. and world debts and inflation are at unacceptable levels. A blow off top of the stock market some day will accelerate the metals upswing even more. The currency Ponzi Scheme is being called out around the world. It could be that the bigger problems start in Asia and/or Europe before spreading here.
KingofHazor
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I understand that you disagree. That doesn't make his argument a "foolish argument".

And I agree that precious metals are likely to continue to go through the roof. I own a bunch. And I agree that our financial house is a giant Ponzi scheme. It's not because of "fiat money", though, but because of unsustainable debt.

Again, precious metals as currency come with their own set of problems that are pretty bad. There's a reason that most businesses and middle class people in America wanted us to get off the gold standard. There's a reason that a single speech by William Jennings Bryan, his "Cross of Gold" speech, propelled him to the Democratic party nomination (and that was long before the Democratic party was a bunch of leftist loons. At that time it truly represented "middle America", and the R's represented the eastern financial interests.)
Heineken-Ashi
How long do you want to ignore this user?
KingofHazor said:

I understand that you disagree. That doesn't make his argument a "foolish argument".

And I agree that precious metals are likely to continue to go through the roof. I own a bunch. And I agree that our financial house is a giant Ponzi scheme. It's not because of "fiat money", though, but because of unsustainable debt.

Again, precious metals as currency come with their own set of problems that are pretty bad. There's a reason that most businesses and middle class people in America wanted us to get off the gold standard. There's a reason that a single speech by William Jennings Bryan, his "Cross of Gold" speech, propelled him to the Democratic party nomination (and that was long before the Democratic party was a bunch of leftist loons. At that time it truly represented "middle America", and the R's represented the eastern financial interests.)

One always leads to the other. When the dollar was pegged to gold, there was only so far we could go into debt before markets snapped back to reality. It was the natural swing of booms and busts. With pure fiat pegged to nothing, we've simply gone so far that the only solution is a violent break of the rubber band.

The reason we left the gold standard was not because it failed, but because we had leveraged far too much of the actual supply of gold and had no choice without causing a second depression. It wasn't a problem with gold. It was a problem with an irresponsible government and irresponsible FED.. two entities that decided it was better to shovel their losses onto the backs of the taxpayers in the form of future inflation and bailouts than to take the losses themselves.
Helicopter Ben
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Well said. And I'll add that I think most of us sound money advocates don't have any sort of emotional or irrational attachment to gold. It's simply the best commodity to peg to for various reasons. If anyone has an alternative to prevent currency debasement, I'd be willing to listen. But to back a currency with nothing only guarantees inflation and, ultimately collapse of the currency. Gold backing is the checks and balance mechanism on whoever is issuing the currency. I will never understand how people can argue against this being the superior arrangement.
Dungeon Crawler Carl
How long do you want to ignore this user?




LOL.....Told you this ride would be incredibly volatile.

BTW Shanghai topped $133 today.


It's a Paper vs. Physical Battle Royale!!!
Dungeon Crawler Carl
How long do you want to ignore this user?



Totally normal.

Nothing to see here.

Keep loading into your 401K and pretending the financial markets aren't dying right in front of your eyes.
Dungeon Crawler Carl
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Just one man's opinion.....Do your own research.




Quote:

I THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM

In just a few hours, we witnessed +$1.6T added to Gold & Silver market cap.

I sincerely think that many people underestimate the significance of what is happening right now.

The drop was 100% manufactured.

Here's what they're hiding from you:

The truth is that many banks, like JPMorgan, have billions of dollars worth of silver short positions.

They have to crash the price on purpose, because if they don't, bankruptcy is guaranteed.

THAT WAS A FORCED LIQUIDATION.

Step 1: Flood the book with sell orders
Step 2: Watch the algos panic
Step 3: Cancel before execution
Step 4: Buy the bottom they just created
Step 5: Repeat

While the paper price (fake price) dropped hard to hunt liquidity, the physical market didn't even flinch.

Dealer premiums remain SKY-HIGH.

Current silver prices around the world:

China: $141/oz (~26% premium)
Japan: $135/oz (~20% premium)
Middle East: $128/oz (~14% premium)


Physical inventory is nowhere to be found at those dip prices, IT DOESN'T EXIST.


Smart money knows this repricing is far from over.

The next few weeks will be absolutely INSANE. I'll keep you updated so don't worry.

Remember, I called every top and bottom of the last 10 years, and when I make a new move i'll say it publicly like I always do.

Many people will wish they followed me sooner.

 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.