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doubledog said:

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I am confused. Are historical dramas about sub-Saharan African kingdoms not popular enough to produce?

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Nothing really interesting about living in mud huts, crapping in a hole and chunking spears at bushpigs.

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The richest man in history is widely considered to be Mansa Musa, the 14th-century emperor of the Mali Empire. His immense wealth, derived from extensive gold reserves, was so significant that it caused deflation and economic disruption in regions he passed through during his famous pilgrimage to Mecca. His reign is also remembered for fostering a cultural and intellectual golden age in West Africa, establishing Timbuktu as a renowned center of learning.

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Mansa Musa would make good historical movie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansa_Musa

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A lot of Musa's wealth came from slave trading. You would have to address black emperors that got wealthy in the slave trade. So, don't hold your breath.

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Apollo79 said:

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So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

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LMAO what a dumb post you think the inverse happens?

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Do I think white people have portrayed black people? And my post is dumb?

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It's notable when done without cratering a person's career.

This was better.

One of the unspoken rules of Hollywood is that you can't call a Richard Pryor movie racist.

RDJ pulled it off without Pryor.

The entertainment industry has WAAY too high an opinion of itself. Yeah, when I want to watch a movie and escape from reality for 90 minutes, it's super-duper important that the cast look like a colorful array of crayons or else Hitler will come back into power in real life. How about you strive for a GOOD story with GOOD acting and let the race/gender chips fall where they may?

I sat through the credits of some movie recently, which I never do, and at the end there was a notice that said, "This film was shot on location in Canada using a diverse cast and crew." Oh, thank GOD the Sound Engineer was a transgender Ethiopian. I was so afraid it was a white guy.

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doubledog said:

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Logos Stick said:

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doubledog said:

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I am confused. Are historical dramas about sub-Saharan African kingdoms not popular enough to produce?

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Nothing really interesting about living in mud huts, crapping in a hole and chunking spears at bushpigs.

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The richest man in history is widely considered to be Mansa Musa, the 14th-century emperor of the Mali Empire. His immense wealth, derived from extensive gold reserves, was so significant that it caused deflation and economic disruption in regions he passed through during his famous pilgrimage to Mecca. His reign is also remembered for fostering a cultural and intellectual golden age in West Africa, establishing Timbuktu as a renowned center of learning.

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Mansa Musa would make good historical movie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansa_Musa

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A lot of Musa's wealth came from slave trading. You would have to address black emperors that got wealthy in the slave trade. So, don't hold your breath.

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This is correct, it was reported that Musa had 12,000 African slaves on his pilgrimage to Mecca. Of course that does not count the (tens) thousands of African slaves he owned to mine the gold and other ventures. Funny you did not see that for the fictional African nation of Wakanda.

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Bridgerton ruined historical dramas.

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At least they are keeping the muscial instruments of the time historically accurate.

The Lute









The Harp








The Flute

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And finally, the most historically accurate musical instrument per the BBC

















The Boombox

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flown-the-coop said:

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So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

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No they need whitey from the burbs to convincingly portray a present father invested in the future of his daughters.

Context is important. If you're trying to present a serious historical drama, you probably should go with actors that are reasonable approximations of the dudes or dudettes they're playing.

For something like Hamilton, though, I think there can be a lot more leeway in casting. It's a musical - I don't go in expecting historical accuracy.

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Apollo79 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

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LMAO what a dumb post you think the inverse happens?

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Do I think white people have portrayed black people? And my post is dumb?

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Yes your post is dumb you never see the inverse why do only poc play historically white people? I'll hang up and listen

Ceasar Augustus would have a word with the wealthiest in history trophy going to Mansa. Mansa Munsa would be around $400 billion in today's dollars.

Ceasar Agustus would be around $5 Trillion.

Both of which make me realize just how much I suck at making money.

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flown-the-coop said:

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Apollo79 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

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LMAO what a dumb post you think the inverse happens?

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Do I think white people have portrayed black people? And my post is dumb?

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Yes your post is dumb you never see the inverse why do only poc play historically white people? I'll hang up and listen

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Maybe you misunderstood. White people play people of color for centuries. Hell, you were provided an example by me and example by another from the past 50 years. You kidding? Or tolling?

And while we're at it, can we stop giving every foreign society British accents? i.e. Romans in Gladiator, Russians in Hunt for Red October, various alien races.

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And while we're at it, can we stop giving every foreign society British accents? i.e. Romans in Gladiator, Russians in Hunt for Red October, various alien races.

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Considering the main russians were Sean Connery (British) and Sam Neil (Kiwi) then maybe you are picking up on their native tongue (English) accent coming through.

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Apollo79 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Apollo79 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

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LMAO what a dumb post you think the inverse happens?

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Do I think white people have portrayed black people? And my post is dumb?

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Yes your post is dumb you never see the inverse why do only poc play historically white people? I'll hang up and listen

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Maybe you misunderstood. White people play people of color for centuries. Hell, you were provided an exyingample by me and example by another from the past 50 years. You kidding? Or tolling?

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LOL its verboten now I'd say in the last 15 years for a white person to star in a major movie or play portraying a black person. Your post remains in dumb status.

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flown-the-coop said:

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Apollo79 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Apollo79 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

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LMAO what a dumb post you think the inverse happens?

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Do I think white people have portrayed black people? And my post is dumb?

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Yes your post is dumb you never see the inverse why do only poc play historically white people? I'll hang up and listen

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Maybe you misunderstood. White people play people of color for centuries. Hell, you were provided an exyingample by me and example by another from the past 50 years. You kidding? Or tolling?

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LOL its verboten now I'd say in the last 15 years for a white person to star in a major movie or play portraying a black person. Your post remains in dumb status.

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Got it.

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Apollo79 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Apollo79 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

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LMAO what a dumb post you think the inverse happens?

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Do I think white people have portrayed black people? And my post is dumb?

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Yes your post is dumb you never see the inverse why do only poc play historically white people? I'll hang up and listen

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Maybe you misunderstood. White people play people of color for centuries. Hell, you were provided an example by me and example by another from the past 50 years. You kidding? Or tolling?

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To be fair, Gene Wilder's acting you used was just a bit. In a comedy.

So was the Dude trying to be a Dude playing a Dude. Neither are exactly the same as [what we assume] will be a quasi docuseries that is somewhat serious on the acting versus blatant comedies.

Also, neither are based on actual historical characters who literally shaped the entire European continent like William the Conqueror did.

flown-the-coop said:

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Apollo79 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Apollo79 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Apollo79 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

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LMAO what a dumb post you think the inverse happens?

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Do I think white people have portrayed black people? And my post is dumb?

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Yes your post is dumb you never see the inverse why do only poc play historically white people? I'll hang up and listen

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Maybe you misunderstood. White people play people of color for centuries. Hell, you were provided an exyingample by me and example by another from the past 50 years. You kidding? Or tolling?

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LOL its verboten now I'd say in the last 15 years for a white person to star in a major movie or azplay portraying a black person. Your post remains in dumb status.

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Got it.

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Crazy you cant address my point, white people absolutely cannot play major black characters in todays age not sure how you dont see that.

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Crazy you cant address my point, white people absolutely cannot play major black characters in todays age not sure how you dont see that.

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Is it against the law? I don't think it is.

In fact, I think a good blackface minstrel show could be quite refreshing and successful.

You think I am advocating for a position I am not. I honestly just don't believe its a big deal and said as much at the very beginning. Why you want to troll by calling my "post" dumb is just a veiled ad hom, and frankly quite childish.

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Crazy you cant address my point, white people absolutely cannot play major black characters in todays age not sure how you dont see that.

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Is it against the law? I don't think it is.

In fact, I think a good blackface minstrel show could be quite refreshing and successful.

You think I am advocating for a position I am not. I honestly just don't believe its a big deal and said as much at the very beginning. Why you want to troll by calling my "post" dumb is just a veiled ad hom, and frankly quite childish.

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still ignoring my point, I am sorry if you can't handle some feedback (which is childlike) on your post it's a message board it happens.

I understand the desire for diverse casting, but there is a right way and wrong way, especially as it relates to historical drama.

There have been some shows recently that do a good job. "The Gilded Age," for example, mostly follows the lives of rich New York society. But one of the socialite's secretaries is a black woman, and her life (along with her family) is portrayed as a side plot.

It's historically accurate -- they didn't cast Idris Elba as J.P. Morgan or anything.

On "1883," the character of Thomas was a black former Pinkerton agent who worked with Shea Brennan and joined him on the way west. Much better than sprinkling black and Asian characters into the settlers group to get diversity.

In "Outlander," Jamie and Claire come to America and visit a relative's plantation, where they are shocked by the reality of slavery. They didn't make all the 1700s Scottish folk black.

It can be done with a bit of creativity and effort.

Probably time for you head to Golden Coral. Possible low blood sugar is making your posting incoherent.

You calling posts dumb is in itself dumb. If you somehow think I support wokism, do some research. Of you could simply move on.

I took my daughter to see Frozen at theatre under the stars. Elsa's dad was played by a black guy.

flown-the-coop said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

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There is a world of difference between a high school drama and a Netflix production.

Also - if the high school drama is actually being true to the script, it isn't nearly as big of an issue. Plus pretty much everybody understands that a black (little "b", by the way - nothing formal about using color as a descriptor) high school is, by nature, going to have black kids as the actors.

As stated above, Netflix is pushing an agenda. Which sucks because most of their series are well made, but people are generally fatigued with the PC/DEI bullsht that is constantly pushed on us in some attempt to make the western world feel guilty about something that happened close to 1000 years ago.

William the Conqueror was a white dude. He was of Norse heritage, Rollo the Viking was his great-great-great grandfather. The barons and lords of France that he rallied behind him were white dudes, most of which were also of Norse heritage. King Harold was a white dude, as were the lords and barons that he commanded at the battle of Hastings. There is no need to modernize it nor make it somehow palatable to black people today. And, sadly, the fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of people that end up watching it will think it is historically accurate. It's just another way that history is re-written to be whatever somebody wants it to be versus what it actually was.

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Didn't you know? Diverse racial populations such as we have in America, and increasingly in Britain and Europe, have been present in every civilization and on every continent since the beginning of time. African Americans were there with the pharaohs, Alexander the Great, the Romans, even the Vikings (I saw it on TV in the Viking series, great warrior chieftain was an African woman). The only reason you didn't learn this in school is because of racist whitewashing.

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Until the Greeks and Ptolemy's came along, pretty sure all Egyptians and their pharaohs were African at the least. Some were darker than others depending on the kingdom / dynasty.

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Actually lower Egypt was populated my Asiatic immigrants (see the present day Berbers). Upper Egypt was ruled by "Libyans" (Middle Kingdom onward). Nubians and Kush were blackish (see Ethiopia) .

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I took my daughter to see Frozen at theatre under the stars. Elsa's dad was played by a black guy that was most likely gay.

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