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Anglo-Saxons will be played by a diverse cast in a new BBC historical drama about the Battle of Hastings.

The eight-part series King and Conqueror will tell the story of Harold and William's epoch-defining struggle for the throne of England in 1066.

Some Anglo-Saxon characters, including a real 11th-century leader, will be played by a diverse set of actors.

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Adding diversity to a high medieval period setting follows the BBC's "colour-blind" casting of non-white stars as Tudor courtiers in another upcoming historical drama, Wolf Hall: The Mirror and the Light.

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The colour-blind approach has drawn criticism, with historian and sometime BBC collaborator Dr Zareer Masani saying: "Some of us, including people of colour, grew up thinking actors ought to look like characters they played."

He warned that going against this approach could be "hugely confusing and downright misleading" adding that it was "absolutely crazy that they've applied this colour-blindness to a period when Britain was at its least multicultural, before even the Norman Conquest".

Cambridge historian Prof David Abulafia, referencing the recent decision of the Anglo-Saxon England journal to scrap its name, said: " Since the whole series will undoubtedly bear little relation to historical fact, I think we shall have to put up with the bizarre notion that there were black earls in Anglo-Saxon England.

"All the more so, since we are no longer supposed to talk about 'Anglo-Saxons'. If they didn't exist, we can do what we like."

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/07/racially-diverse-cast-to-play-anglo-saxons-in-1066-drama/

Historical fact no longer matter when there is an agenda to push.

Sadly, people will believe it to be historically accurate and that many if not most important Britons were actually "African".

It is truly amazing how, despite push back from almost any historian even ones who are way left politically, the desire to shove Afrocentric Pseudohistory down everyone's throat continues unabated.

Would love to see the BBC remake Zulu with this type of casting. Will Michael Cane's role be played by Denzel?

Just surprised they held back and didn't have William the Conquerer played by Zendaya

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Just surprised they held back and didn't have William the Conquerer played by Zendaya

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Don't worry, she's in The Odyssey, along with Lupita Nyong'o, Himesh Patel, Corey Hawkins, and Maurice Compte, none of whom look like ancient Greeks or Trojans.

Granted, no one knows their roles, but I won't be surprised if they are main characters, playing Greeks and Trojans. If Zendaya and Nyong'o play Sirens, that's fine. Those are mythical creatures so who cares who plays them.

Bridgerton ruined historical dramas.

Can't wait to watch the Zulu documentary filled with white actors. Anybody know the release date? Heard it was soon.

The really messed up thing to me is you could actually make movies about real Africans that were major historical figures that most people don't know about. For instance I don't think there has ever been a significant show about Mansa Musa. On the rare occasion they do talk about true African history we get nonsense like the The Woman King that actually reverses the true roles in making a person who was trying to keep the slave trade alive into an anti slavery zealot.

The reason of course is none of this has anything to do with truth or even entertainment. It is about destruction of Western Civilization. That is the long term goal of all of this.

So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

flown-the-coop said:

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So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

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There is a difference between using the best talent available and making an effort to make a statement using actors with historically non-accurate racial backgrounds to make a point.

Why would someone, for instance, make a re-make of Roots with an all-Hispanic cast?

techno-ag said:

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Bridgerton ruined historical dramas.

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I tapped out on that one. Black British folk in that era was goofy enough. But when the plot became focused on why the black prince always pulled out I hit the LOL and told the wife she was on her own.

Hence why is said I don't support trying to change the narrative. The critic from the article has a strong point.

To be honest, I "watch" a lot of historical documentaries whilst working. For the most part, I cannot tell if the khan was played by a mongol, a Korean, a Polynesian, or a white dude from bama.

It does seem the Brits, as is typical, thinks by being vocal about it they can appease certain folks. If they wanted to do it right, don't mention it and said you wanted a competent crew that is made up of a representation of the current pool of actors.

flown-the-coop said:

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Hence why is said I don't support trying to change the narrative. The critic from the article has a strong point.

To be honest, I "watch" a lot of historical documentaries whilst working. For the most part, I cannot tell if the khan was played by a mongol, a Korean, a Polynesian, or a white dude from bama.

It does seem the Brits, as is typical, thinks by being vocal about it they can appease certain folks. If they wanted to do it right, don't mention it and said you wanted a competent crew that is made up of a representation of the current pool of actors. the best actors available.

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Pretty much agree.

I give you William the Conqueror.


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I am fine with that edit.

I am confused. Are historical dramas about sub-Saharan African kingdoms not popular enough to produce?

Can't wait for the new biopic on Matin Luther King, Jr. Here a clip of the famous "I have a dream" speech.

doubledog said:

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I am confused. Are historical dramas about sub-Saharan African kingdoms not popular enough to produce?

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Nothing really interesting about living in mud huts, crapping in a hole and chunking spears at bushpigs.

doubledog said:

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I am confused. Are historical dramas about sub-Saharan African kingdoms not popular enough to produce?

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Seem to be even loss popular with Hollywood types than the American Revolution.

I sense a pattern here..

Logos Stick said:

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doubledog said:

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I am confused. Are historical dramas about sub-Saharan African kingdoms not popular enough to produce?

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Nothing really interesting about living in mud huts, crapping in a hole and chunking spears at bushpigs.

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The richest man in history is widely considered to be Mansa Musa, the 14th-century emperor of the Mali Empire. His immense wealth, derived from extensive gold reserves, was so significant that it caused deflation and economic disruption in regions he passed through during his famous pilgrimage to Mecca. His reign is also remembered for fostering a cultural and intellectual golden age in West Africa, establishing Timbuktu as a renowned center of learning.

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Mansa Musa would make good historical movie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansa_Musa

The Shaka Zulu miniseries from a few decades ago was fantastic! There are interesting stories to tell.

To me iit sort of depends on if they are making a dramatic film of an historical event or are trying to make a historically accurate as possible film.

If they're just loosely using the history as a framework for drama, then if those are really the best actors for the parts and aren't deliberately selected for diversity alone, so be it.

If they're trying to do it documentary style or ultra accurate, then if those actors should represent the known persons or the population as best as they can accommodate.

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Can't wait to watch the Zulu documentary filled with white actors. Anybody know the release date? Heard it was soon.

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To add insult to injury, have the white actors that are playing Zulu warriors be in blackface. That ought to cause an uproar.

BBC proudly presents Roots: A Retelling

Featuring Timothee Chalamet as Kunta Kinte.

flown-the-coop said:

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So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

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There is a world of difference between a high school drama and a Netflix production.

Also - if the high school drama is actually being true to the script, it isn't nearly as big of an issue. Plus pretty much everybody understands that a black (little "b", by the way - nothing formal about using color as a descriptor) high school is, by nature, going to have black kids as the actors.

As stated above, Netflix is pushing an agenda. Which sucks because most of their series are well made, but people are generally fatigued with the PC/DEI bullsht that is constantly pushed on us in some attempt to make the western world feel guilty about something that happened close to 1000 years ago.

William the Conqueror was a white dude. He was of Norse heritage, Rollo the Viking was his great-great-great grandfather. The barons and lords of France that he rallied behind him were white dudes, most of which were also of Norse heritage. King Harold was a white dude, as were the lords and barons that he commanded at the battle of Hastings. There is no need to modernize it nor make it somehow palatable to black people today. And, sadly, the fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of people that end up watching it will think it is historically accurate. It's just another way that history is re-written to be whatever somebody wants it to be versus what it actually was.

schmellba99 said:

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As stated above, Netflix is pushing an agenda. . . . It's just another way that history is re-written to be whatever somebody wants it to be versus what it actually was.

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That is all the explanation that is needed.

flown-the-coop said:

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So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

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LMAO what a dumb post you think the inverse happens?

schmellba99 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

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There is a world of difference between a high school drama and a Netflix production.

Also - if the high school drama is actually being true to the script, it isn't nearly as big of an issue. Plus pretty much everybody understands that a black (little "b", by the way - nothing formal about using color as a descriptor) high school is, by nature, going to have black kids as the actors.

As stated above, Netflix is pushing an agenda. Which sucks because most of their series are well made, but people are generally fatigued with the PC/DEI bullsht that is constantly pushed on us in some attempt to make the western world feel guilty about something that happened close to 1000 years ago.

William the Conqueror was a white dude. He was of Norse heritage, Rollo the Viking was his great-great-great grandfather. The barons and lords of France that he rallied behind him were white dudes, most of which were also of Norse heritage. King Harold was a white dude, as were the lords and barons that he commanded at the battle of Hastings. There is no need to modernize it nor make it somehow palatable to black people today. And, sadly, the fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of people that end up watching it will think it is historically accurate. It's just another way that history is re-written to be whatever somebody wants it to be versus what it actually was.

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Didn't you know? Diverse racial populations such as we have in America, and increasingly in Britain and Europe, have been present in every civilization and on every continent since the beginning of time. African Americans were there with the pharaohs, Alexander the Great, the Romans, even the Vikings (I saw it on TV in the Viking series, great warrior chieftain was an African woman). The only reason you didn't learn this in school is because of racist whitewashing.

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flown-the-coop said:

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So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

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LMAO what a dumb post you think the inverse happens?

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Do I think white people have portrayed black people? And my post is dumb?

Flavius Agximus said:

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schmellba99 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

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There is a world of difference between a high school drama and a Netflix production.

Also - if the high school drama is actually being true to the script, it isn't nearly as big of an issue. Plus pretty much everybody understands that a black (little "b", by the way - nothing formal about using color as a descriptor) high school is, by nature, going to have black kids as the actors.

As stated above, Netflix is pushing an agenda. Which sucks because most of their series are well made, but people are generally fatigued with the PC/DEI bullsht that is constantly pushed on us in some attempt to make the western world feel guilty about something that happened close to 1000 years ago.

William the Conqueror was a white dude. He was of Norse heritage, Rollo the Viking was his great-great-great grandfather. The barons and lords of France that he rallied behind him were white dudes, most of which were also of Norse heritage. King Harold was a white dude, as were the lords and barons that he commanded at the battle of Hastings. There is no need to modernize it nor make it somehow palatable to black people today. And, sadly, the fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of people that end up watching it will think it is historically accurate. It's just another way that history is re-written to be whatever somebody wants it to be versus what it actually was.

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Didn't you know? Diverse racial populations such as we have in America, and increasingly in Britain and Europe, have been present in every civilization and on every continent since the beginning of time. African Americans were there with the pharaohs, Alexander the Great, the Romans, even the Vikings (I saw it on TV in the Viking series, great warrior chieftain was an African woman). The only reason you didn't learn this in school is because of racist whitewashing.

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Until the Greeks and Ptolemy's came along, pretty sure all Egyptians and their pharaohs were African at the least. Some were darker than others depending on the kingdom / dynasty.

flown-the-coop said:

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So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

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I didn't know there was a dearth of white actors in the UK.

flown-the-coop said:

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Flavius Agximus said:

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schmellba99 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

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There is a world of difference between a high school drama and a Netflix production.

Also - if the high school drama is actually being true to the script, it isn't nearly as big of an issue. Plus pretty much everybody understands that a black (little "b", by the way - nothing formal about using color as a descriptor) high school is, by nature, going to have black kids as the actors.

As stated above, Netflix is pushing an agenda. Which sucks because most of their series are well made, but people are generally fatigued with the PC/DEI bullsht that is constantly pushed on us in some attempt to make the western world feel guilty about something that happened close to 1000 years ago.

William the Conqueror was a white dude. He was of Norse heritage, Rollo the Viking was his great-great-great grandfather. The barons and lords of France that he rallied behind him were white dudes, most of which were also of Norse heritage. King Harold was a white dude, as were the lords and barons that he commanded at the battle of Hastings. There is no need to modernize it nor make it somehow palatable to black people today. And, sadly, the fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of people that end up watching it will think it is historically accurate. It's just another way that history is re-written to be whatever somebody wants it to be versus what it actually was.

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Didn't you know? Diverse racial populations such as we have in America, and increasingly in Britain and Europe, have been present in every civilization and on every continent since the beginning of time. African Americans were there with the pharaohs, Alexander the Great, the Romans, even the Vikings (I saw it on TV in the Viking series, great warrior chieftain was an African woman). The only reason you didn't learn this in school is because of racist whitewashing.

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Until the Greeks and Ptolemy's came along, pretty sure all Egyptians and their pharaohs were African at the least. Some were darker than others depending on the kingdom / dynasty.

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Exactly, and they were genetically and linguistically the same as the Yoruba speaking West Africans that live in present day Nigeria. How they were able to build such an astonishing civilization in Egypt in comparison to West Africa is still a mystery. How modern Egyptians have no trace of West African DNA is also a mystery.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

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I didn't know there was a dearth of white actors in the UK.

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You haven't been to london lately.

Hamilton = two weeks to slow the spread

Flavius Agximus said:

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schmellba99 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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So if a Black high school wants to put on a production of King Lear, they need to bring in whiteys from the burbs to make it historically accurate?

As long as the actor plays the part well and the role played is historically accurate, I don't think it matters as much as folks make it out to be.

I have much issue if they are trying to revise the story to say William was the son of an African warlord and he was kidnapped by missionaries and raised to be king of France.

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There is a world of difference between a high school drama and a Netflix production.

Also - if the high school drama is actually being true to the script, it isn't nearly as big of an issue. Plus pretty much everybody understands that a black (little "b", by the way - nothing formal about using color as a descriptor) high school is, by nature, going to have black kids as the actors.

As stated above, Netflix is pushing an agenda. Which sucks because most of their series are well made, but people are generally fatigued with the PC/DEI bullsht that is constantly pushed on us in some attempt to make the western world feel guilty about something that happened close to 1000 years ago.

William the Conqueror was a white dude. He was of Norse heritage, Rollo the Viking was his great-great-great grandfather. The barons and lords of France that he rallied behind him were white dudes, most of which were also of Norse heritage. King Harold was a white dude, as were the lords and barons that he commanded at the battle of Hastings. There is no need to modernize it nor make it somehow palatable to black people today. And, sadly, the fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of people that end up watching it will think it is historically accurate. It's just another way that history is re-written to be whatever somebody wants it to be versus what it actually was.

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Didn't you know? Diverse racial populations such as we have in America, and increasingly in Britain and Europe, have been present in every civilization and on every continent since the beginning of time. African Americans were there with the pharaohs, Alexander the Great, the Romans, even the Vikings (I saw it on TV in the Viking series, great warrior chieftain was an African woman). The only reason you didn't learn this in school is because of racist whitewashing.

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A Norwegian historical novelist has taken issue with black Vikings and politicizing history.