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This is good Trump. People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags and leaving skid marks on rainbow crosswalks. If that can be a crime, so can burning the American flag. Either both are crimes or neither are crimes. It can't be both ways . This is the first noy way to get the Supreme Court to sort this out ...

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People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags that don't belong to them and leaving skid market on rainbow crosswalks that are public property. You can argue whether municipalities should be painting rainbows in crosswalks. But it's their property. You mess it up, you're going to pay.

Buy and burn all the LGBTQLMNOP flags you want. Burn someone's flag that doesn't belong to you, now we have a problem.

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A simple google search proves you wrong.

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Then cite your source. Don't play hide the football.

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It's there for people to see. The individuals are charged with literal hate crimes. They aren't charged with trespassing, theft or destruction of personal property...They are charged with HATE CRIMES.

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This is good Trump. People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags and leaving skid marks on rainbow crosswalks. If that can be a crime, so can burning the American flag. Either both are crimes or neither are crimes. It can't be both ways . This is the first noy way to get the Supreme Court to sort this out ...

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People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags that don't belong to them and leaving skid market on rainbow crosswalks that are public property. You can argue whether municipalities should be painting rainbows in crosswalks. But it's their property. You mess it up, you're going to pay.

Buy and burn all the LGBTQLMNOP flags you want. Burn someone's flag that doesn't belong to you, now we have a problem.

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A simple google search proves you wrong.

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Then cite your source. Don't play hide the football.

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It's there for people to see. The individuals are charged with literal hate crimes. They aren't charged with trespassing, theft or destruction of personal property...They are charged with HATE CRIMES.

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And??? Leave people and thier stuff alone and you will never be charged with a hate crime.

I believe in idiots openly identifying themselves as such and making all of us aware of their stupidity. Bad Trump.

My dad was a Col in the Air Force. Early in my life, we watched on TV someone burning the flag. He told me that he risked his life for that ****wad's right to burn the flag.

That moment taught me alot.

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This is good Trump. People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags and leaving skid marks on rainbow crosswalks. If that can be a crime, so can burning the American flag. Either both are crimes or neither are crimes. It can't be both ways . This is the first noy way to get the Supreme Court to sort this out ...

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Every thread on the politics board turns gay at some point.

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japantiger said:

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This is good Trump. People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags and leaving skid marks on rainbow crosswalks. If that can be a crime, so can burning the American flag. Either both are crimes or neither are crimes. It can't be both ways . This is the first noy way to get the Supreme Court to sort this out ...

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People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags that don't belong to them and leaving skid market on rainbow crosswalks that are public property. You can argue whether municipalities should be painting rainbows in crosswalks. But it's their property. You mess it up, you're going to pay.

Buy and burn all the LGBTQLMNOP flags you want. Burn someone's flag that doesn't belong to you, now we have a problem.

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A simple google search proves you wrong.

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Then cite your source. Don't play hide the football.

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It's there for people to see. The individuals are charged with literal hate crimes. They aren't charged with trespassing, theft or destruction of personal property...They are charged with HATE CRIMES.

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They absolutely are being charged with all those things in addition to the hate crime. Otherwise, there's no crime. Hating certain groups in and of itself is not a crime. In certain places, committing some other crime because you hate a certain group gets a hate crime charge tacked on. Personally, I think hate crime laws are bs.

You are free to stand on the corner and yell "I HATE HOMOS!" to your heart's content. You won't be arrested.

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Bad Trump.

I served overseas in combat arms. I love the Amercian flag and what it stands for.

But, I have no problems with F'n idiots doing idiot things. Even if this is an attempt to get a new SC ruling, I hate increasing polarization and the inevitable tit for tat to come.

Realize I am likely in a minority.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-flag-burning-executive-order-could-flip-first-amendment-its-head-new-court

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If it incites a riot

I'm not seeing how the act of burning a flag could incite a riot. Courts have said it's expressive conduct. For example, if you start burning a flag and yell out "Go kill that Jew!", the yelling "Go kill that Jew!" is the inciting act, not the burning of the flag.

As a veteran I don't like it when people burn the flag, but, it's freedom of speech, not freedom of speech you agree with.

Firstly, if an accelerant is used to burn the flag, IF someone is harmed by said burning, is that not a potential criminal act involving arson (civil liability notwithstanding); does the presence of an accelerant not make the seemingly protected display unreasonably dangerous given the confined & close proximity of on-lookers?

Also, I know for insurance fraud claims involving arson, a defendant catches several federal charges including endangering the firemen who respond to the fire regardless of the actual risk of harm presented by the fire's size or intensity. Therefore, how is flag burning different, especially when the exercise of a seemingly protected expression is meant to incite an already agitated mob, which heightens & adds to the risks a fireman would confront if they responded to extinguish the burning flag?

Further, insurance fraud claims due to arson mostly involve money/ consideration being paid to the arsonist to commit the criminal act; many of the "protestors" who burn American flags at these events are PAID AGITATORS. That could be an important distinction that might warrant a lesser degree of govt'l scrutiny to support such a prohibition.

Therefore, I think it is an interesting set of circumstances that MIGHT require a different perspective than what we customarily consider about the 1st Amendment- especially the aspect of 'Mobs for 'Rent'; this isn't "freedom of expression" by an individual pursuant to the First Amendment, but rather a potentially criminal act (arson) performed by paid agents for the purpose of incitement whereby the act itself creates additional risks to mob participants & public officials responding to a location where this is occuring.

Remember, exercise of individual liberties CANNOT create nor heighten the risks of a potentially dangerous or harmful situation to others, & "speech" (which can be a physical act- not just spoken words) CANNOT incite others to act in a dangerous/ reckless manner, such as the yelling 'Fire' in an auditorium example. Lastly, if the exercise of a protected right causes actual harm, the person is culpable; so, if you burn a flag & that fire spreads to a structure that burns down, the person can't claim that "freedom of expression" prevents their prosecution.

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Bad Trump.

I served overseas in combat arms. I love the Amercian flag and what it stands for.

But, I have no problems with F'n idiots doing idiot things. Even if this is an attempt to get a new SC ruling, I hate increasing polarization and the inevitable tit for tat to come.

Realize I am likely in a minority.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-flag-burning-executive-order-could-flip-first-amendment-its-head-new-court

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The imposition of power is important at this point. Why?
Because left gets it and that is what they care about.

While on one level I think you should be able to burn anything that is yours..... including a flag.... I understand that we are now in an age where symbols and symbolism matter immensely and creates and/or stifles social and political momentum. The left imposes that you may not so much as put a bike skid mark on a gay striped crosswalk..... Given that this is the case.... I find no problem with banning US flag burning.

We must crush the left NOW and as quickly as possible through all legislative and executive means available.

Thanks (all), I hoped this would be the case.

Good time to bring up again Penn and Tellers Flag Burning act. Seen their act in Vegas multiple times and also seen their act with the 4th Amendment on the TSA.

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japantiger said:

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This is good Trump. People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags and leaving skid marks on rainbow crosswalks. If that can be a crime, so can burning the American flag. Either both are crimes or neither are crimes. It can't be both ways . This is the first noy way to get the Supreme Court to sort this out ...

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People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags that don't belong to them and leaving skid market on rainbow crosswalks that are public property. You can argue whether municipalities should be painting rainbows in crosswalks. But it's their property. You mess it up, you're going to pay.

Buy and burn all the LGBTQLMNOP flags you want. Burn someone's flag that doesn't belong to you, now we have a problem.

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A simple google search proves you wrong.

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Then cite your source. Don't play hide the football.

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It's there for people to see. The individuals are charged with literal hate crimes. They aren't charged with trespassing, theft or destruction of personal property...They are charged with HATE CRIMES.

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They absolutely are being charged with all those things in addition to the hate crime. Otherwise, there's no crime. Hating certain groups in and of itself is not a crime. In certain places, committing some other crime because you hate a certain group gets a hate crime charge tacked on. Personally, I think hate crime laws are bs.

You are free to stand on the corner and yell "I HATE HOMOS!" to your heart's content. You won't be arrested.

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You wanna bet? That's classified as hate speech, not freedom of speech. You can be arrested, definitely fired from your job, doxed etc.

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This is good Trump. People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags and leaving skid marks on rainbow crosswalks. If that can be a crime, so can burning the American flag. Either both are crimes or neither are crimes. It can't be both ways . This is the first noy way to get the Supreme Court to sort this out ...

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People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags that don't belong to them and leaving skid market on rainbow crosswalks that are public property. You can argue whether municipalities should be painting rainbows in crosswalks. But it's their property. You mess it up, you're going to pay.

Buy and burn all the LGBTQLMNOP flags you want. Burn someone's flag that doesn't belong to you, now we have a problem.

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A simple google search proves you wrong.

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Then cite your source. Don't play hide the football.

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Here is one
Did an Iowa Man Get 16 Years in Prison for Burning an LGBT Rainbow Flag? | Snopes.com

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The act of setting fire to an LGBT rainbow flag in Ames, Iowa, in June 2019 did ultimately result in Adolfo Martinez receiving a total sentence of 16 years in prison.

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He's trying to be clever about it, claiming it's only going to be 'banned' when it 'incites a riot' but logically there's no connection between burning an item and a riot ensuing.

This is not 'good Trump' imho. He's begging to be slapped down in court, just my two cents. It begs for a whole slew of 'I was exercising my free speech rights and it's not my fault a bunch of people misbehaved afterward' arguments from antifa scum/Obama-Biden judges (or any others).

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Between this and proudly proclaiming that we will take SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND more students from China...he's having a horrible day. It's kind of rare to get two "bad Trump's" in one day. Really rare to get two "horrible Trump's" in a single day.

In general, I understand this sentiment. But I don't agree with it. I personally would have no problem with someone getting punched in the face for trying to do it, but let them be an idiot.

But, I also don't like it when people who burn LGBTQ flags or burn rubber over a rainbow drawing on the road get a charged with hate crimes either. It has to be consistent.

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This is good Trump. People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags and leaving skid marks on rainbow crosswalks. If that can be a crime, so can burning the American flag. Either both are crimes or neither are crimes. It can't be both ways . This is the first noy way to get the Supreme Court to sort this out ...

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People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags that don't belong to them and leaving skid market on rainbow crosswalks that are public property. You can argue whether municipalities should be painting rainbows in crosswalks. But it's their property. You mess it up, you're going to pay.

Buy and burn all the LGBTQLMNOP flags you want. Burn someone's flag that doesn't belong to you, now we have a problem.

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A simple google search proves you wrong.

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Then cite your source. Don't play hide the football.

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It's there for people to see. The individuals are charged with literal hate crimes. They aren't charged with trespassing, theft or destruction of personal property...They are charged with HATE CRIMES.

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And??? Leave people and thier their stuff alone and you will never be charged with a hate crime.

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Don't burn, urinate, defecate or wipe your ass with the US flag, that I have personally handed folded to widows, and I won't be charged with a hate crime.

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This is good Trump. People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags and leaving skid marks on rainbow crosswalks. If that can be a crime, so can burning the American flag. Either both are crimes or neither are crimes. It can't be both ways . This is the first noy way to get the Supreme Court to sort this out ...

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People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags that don't belong to them and leaving skid market on rainbow crosswalks that are public property. You can argue whether municipalities should be painting rainbows in crosswalks. But it's their property. You mess it up, you're going to pay.

Buy and burn all the LGBTQLMNOP flags you want. Burn someone's flag that doesn't belong to you, now we have a problem.

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A simple google search proves you wrong.

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Then cite your source. Don't play hide the football.

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It's there for people to see. The individuals are charged with literal hate crimes. They aren't charged with trespassing, theft or destruction of personal property...They are charged with HATE CRIMES.

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They absolutely are being charged with all those things in addition to the hate crime. Otherwise, there's no crime. Hating certain groups in and of itself is not a crime. In certain places, committing some other crime because you hate a certain group gets a hate crime charge tacked on. Personally, I think hate crime laws are bs.

You are free to stand on the corner and yell "I HATE HOMOS!" to your heart's content. You won't be arrested.

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You wanna bet? That's classified as hate speech, not freedom of speech. You can be arrested, definitely fired from your job, doxed etc.

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There is no such thing as hate speech being a crime. None. If you go stand on the corner and yell "I hate homos!," your employer can definitely fire you. But it's not for your speech; it's for being a jackass and that can reflect badly on them for employing jackasses.
Doxing isn't a crime.

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This is good Trump. People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags and leaving skid marks on rainbow crosswalks. If that can be a crime, so can burning the American flag. Either both are crimes or neither are crimes. It can't be both ways . This is the first noy way to get the Supreme Court to sort this out ...

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People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags that don't belong to them and leaving skid market on rainbow crosswalks that are public property. You can argue whether municipalities should be painting rainbows in crosswalks. But it's their property. You mess it up, you're going to pay.

Buy and burn all the LGBTQLMNOP flags you want. Burn someone's flag that doesn't belong to you, now we have a problem.

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A simple google search proves you wrong.

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Then cite your source. Don't play hide the football.

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Here is one
Did an Iowa Man Get 16 Years in Prison for Burning an LGBT Rainbow Flag? | Snopes.com

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The act of setting fire to an LGBT rainbow flag in Ames, Iowa, in June 2019 did ultimately result in Adolfo Martinez receiving a total sentence of 16 years in prison.

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Adolfo Martinez, 30, stole the flag from United Church of Christ in Ames, Iowa, because he hated gay people before burning it outside Dangerous Curves lap dancing club...

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This is good Trump. People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags and leaving skid marks on rainbow crosswalks. If that can be a crime, so can burning the American flag. Either both are crimes or neither are crimes. It can't be both ways . This is the first noy way to get the Supreme Court to sort this out ...

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People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags that don't belong to them and leaving skid market on rainbow crosswalks that are public property. You can argue whether municipalities should be painting rainbows in crosswalks. But it's their property. You mess it up, you're going to pay.

Buy and burn all the LGBTQLMNOP flags you want. Burn someone's flag that doesn't belong to you, now we have a problem.

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Then cite your source. Don't play hide the football.

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Did an Iowa Man Get 16 Years in Prison for Burning an LGBT Rainbow Flag? | Snopes.com

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The act of setting fire to an LGBT rainbow flag in Ames, Iowa, in June 2019 did ultimately result in Adolfo Martinez receiving a total sentence of 16 years in prison.

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Adolfo Martinez, 30, stole the flag from United Church of Christ in Ames, Iowa, because he hated gay people before burning it outside Dangerous Curves lap dancing club...

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It was classified as a hate crime. Stealing a flag is petty theft.

Yeah, not a wonderful day, agreed.

Only defense I'd offer is that a lot of our state research institutions (like UTSW etc) would be functionally shut down without Chinese grad/post-doctoral students overnight. I don't want that, even though it's an obvious risk/threat to rely on them long term.

Sorry for derail, will stop there. Back to fun with flags.

Love this video, thank you for sharing. Sometimes we can lose ourself in the semantics of the flag when its shown being burned on social media. At the end of the day, its just a piece of cloth, it doesn't represent who we are as Americans. Burn the flag and another one will take its place. Burn the capital and the ideas of our founding father's will still live on in every Americans heart. To me, they are just a building and a piece of cloth.

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This is good Trump. People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags and leaving skid marks on rainbow crosswalks. If that can be a crime, so can burning the American flag. Either both are crimes or neither are crimes. It can't be both ways . This is the first noy way to get the Supreme Court to sort this out ...

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People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags that don't belong to them and leaving skid market on rainbow crosswalks that are public property. You can argue whether municipalities should be painting rainbows in crosswalks. But it's their property. You mess it up, you're going to pay.

Buy and burn all the LGBTQLMNOP flags you want. Burn someone's flag that doesn't belong to you, now we have a problem.

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A simple google search proves you wrong.

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Then cite your source. Don't play hide the football.

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Here is one
Did an Iowa Man Get 16 Years in Prison for Burning an LGBT Rainbow Flag? | Snopes.com

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The act of setting fire to an LGBT rainbow flag in Ames, Iowa, in June 2019 did ultimately result in Adolfo Martinez receiving a total sentence of 16 years in prison.

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Adolfo Martinez, 30, stole the flag from United Church of Christ in Ames, Iowa, because he hated gay people before burning it outside Dangerous Curves lap dancing club...

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It was classified as a hate crime. Stealing a flag is petty theft.

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He was also a habitual offender that shot the penalty higher. And I already said that I believe hate crimes are bs. But the root cause was him stealing the flag. If you hate gays and want to burn their flag, go buy one and do it. No problem there.

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When every single city, state, and federal jurisdiction which investigated or charged or imprisoned someone for burning or defacing or giving a dirty look to a rainbow flag admits wrongdoing and pays restitution to its victims, we can have a discussion about whether burning an… pic.twitter.com/bkzNaR2fL8

— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) August 25, 2025

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This is good Trump. People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags and leaving skid marks on rainbow crosswalks. If that can be a crime, so can burning the American flag. Either both are crimes or neither are crimes. It can't be both ways . This is the first noy way to get the Supreme Court to sort this out ...

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People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags that don't belong to them and leaving skid market on rainbow crosswalks that are public property. You can argue whether municipalities should be painting rainbows in crosswalks. But it's their property. You mess it up, you're going to pay.

Buy and burn all the LGBTQLMNOP flags you want. Burn someone's flag that doesn't belong to you, now we have a problem.

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A simple google search proves you wrong.

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Then cite your source. Don't play hide the football.

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Here is one
Did an Iowa Man Get 16 Years in Prison for Burning an LGBT Rainbow Flag? | Snopes.com

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The act of setting fire to an LGBT rainbow flag in Ames, Iowa, in June 2019 did ultimately result in Adolfo Martinez receiving a total sentence of 16 years in prison.

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Adolfo Martinez, 30, stole the flag from United Church of Christ in Ames, Iowa, because he hated gay people before burning it outside Dangerous Curves lap dancing club...

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It was classified as a hate crime. Stealing a flag is petty theft.

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And burning it was arson.

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When every single city, state, and federal jurisdiction which investigated or charged or imprisoned someone for burning or defacing or giving a dirty look to a rainbow flag admits wrongdoing and pays restitution to its victims, we can have a discussion about whether burning an… pic.twitter.com/bkzNaR2fL8

— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) August 25, 2025

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Those people damaged or defaced property that wasn't theirs. Not a similar situation.

Don't care. These aren't normal times.

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Trump now forcing Dems to defend burning the flag and public flag burnings which will certainly spike in response to this

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This is likely his intent. Trolling again.
If he does something like this, he will get a deserved 9-0 thrashing in the Supreme Court.

Terrible idea.

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This is good Trump. People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags and leaving skid marks on rainbow crosswalks. If that can be a crime, so can burning the American flag. Either both are crimes or neither are crimes. It can't be both ways . This is the first noy way to get the Supreme Court to sort this out ...

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People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags that don't belong to them and leaving skid market on rainbow crosswalks that are public property. You can argue whether municipalities should be painting rainbows in crosswalks. But it's their property. You mess it up, you're going to pay.

Buy and burn all the LGBTQLMNOP flags you want. Burn someone's flag that doesn't belong to you, now we have a problem.

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Then cite your source. Don't play hide the football.

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Here is one
Did an Iowa Man Get 16 Years in Prison for Burning an LGBT Rainbow Flag? | Snopes.com

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The act of setting fire to an LGBT rainbow flag in Ames, Iowa, in June 2019 did ultimately result in Adolfo Martinez receiving a total sentence of 16 years in prison.

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Adolfo Martinez, 30, stole the flag from United Church of Christ in Ames, Iowa, because he hated gay people before burning it outside Dangerous Curves lap dancing club...

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Of course it was.
Because democrats, including the ones grandstanding in this thread, don't think burning the US flag is hateful.
But burn a pride flag or BLM flag....now that's hateful.

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Don't care. These aren't normal times.

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Just go ahead and tell everyone that you hate free speech while you're at it.

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When every single city, state, and federal jurisdiction which investigated or charged or imprisoned someone for burning or defacing or giving a dirty look to a rainbow flag admits wrongdoing and pays restitution to its victims, we can have a discussion about whether burning an… pic.twitter.com/bkzNaR2fL8

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Those people damaged or defaced property that wasn't theirs. Not a similar situation.

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Defacing an item worth $50 doesn't warrant jail time.

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This is good Trump. People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags and leaving skid marks on rainbow crosswalks. If that can be a crime, so can burning the American flag. Either both are crimes or neither are crimes. It can't be both ways . This is the first noy way to get the Supreme Court to sort this out ...

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People are being arrested and charged with hate crimes for burning pride flags that don't belong to them and leaving skid market on rainbow crosswalks that are public property. You can argue whether municipalities should be painting rainbows in crosswalks. But it's their property. You mess it up, you're going to pay.

Buy and burn all the LGBTQLMNOP flags you want. Burn someone's flag that doesn't belong to you, now we have a problem.

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A simple google search proves you wrong.

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Then cite your source. Don't play hide the football.

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Here is one
Did an Iowa Man Get 16 Years in Prison for Burning an LGBT Rainbow Flag? | Snopes.com

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What's True
The act of setting fire to an LGBT rainbow flag in Ames, Iowa, in June 2019 did ultimately result in Adolfo Martinez receiving a total sentence of 16 years in prison.

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Keep reading.

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Adolfo Martinez, 30, stole the flag from United Church of Christ in Ames, Iowa, because he hated gay people before burning it outside Dangerous Curves lap dancing club...

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It was classified as a hate crime. Stealing a flag is petty theft.

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And burning it was arson.

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No intent to injure. No dwelling. No value. Not arson other than being a hate crime.

True story time. I had just moved to Austin after my first husband's and only brother's death. Bought a house in Great Hills and a large number of my neighbors were retired IBMers who socialized together often. I was invited to a cookout next door. Neighbors knew I was an attorney and the SCOTUS decision about the flag had been handed down recently. These folks were incensed and of course started asking me questions about it.

They didn't like my answers at all as I went back to the Skokie, Illinois Nazi decision on first amendment and free speech. They assumed I was equating the US with Nazis until I explained that first amendment cases had a lot in common and this decision about the flag was consistent with that constitutional analysis. Did I like the decision? Hell, no. But it was consistent and followed first amendment case law and precedent.

I seriously doubt that the long line of first amendment cases on political speech will be rejected over this EO.