Before y'all go crazy, follow along with me.

We have $37T in debt. We have annual deficits of $2T. And nobody has the balls to really cut wasteful spending or raise taxes.

Countries like Norway and Qatar have sovereign wealth funds investing in American companies and as Trump said, "Everything is down except stock prices." When they need money, they sell off some of their stake.

The federal government participates little in the upside though because we've created a monster tax code where the effective tax rate on corps is low meanwhile their stock prices goes up bigly at a much faster rate than any tax collection. Meanwhile we the people must pay taxes to support the system that creates the monster valuations in the market that foreigners are profiting off of.

The rest of the world is stealing is from us. They take our jobs, they expect us to police the world, and then get rich off of our markets. And our federal government taxes the crap out of American labor where there isn't enough money to meet our budget requirements.

Do taxes count?

No

You stealing ideas from Senators Cassidy and Kaine?

Senators pitch $1.5 trillion investment fund for Social Security: What to know - by Aris Folley and Ashleigh Fields - 08/07/25 6:00 AM ET
https://thehill.com/business/budget/5439992-bipartisan-senate-social-security-plan/

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How it works
While the senators have yet to release text for the plan, Cassidy said the government would create an investment fund separate from the existing Social Security trust funds, into which the government would place $300 billion annually over the next five years.

That money would be invested into stocks, bonds and other investments, and Cassidy said it would be held "in escrow for 70 years."

"Any dividends being paid, for example, flow back into the investment fund. As that occurs, we also repeal the law requiring that benefits be cut to match income," Cassidy told The Hill.

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Dan Scott said:

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Federal Government should have....

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No, they shouldn't.

Dan Scott said:

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Before y'all go crazy, follow along with me.

We have $37T in debt. We have annual deficits of $2T. And nobody has the balls to really cut wasteful spending or raise taxes.

Countries like Norway and Qatar have sovereign wealth funds investing in American companies and as Trump said, "Everything is down except stock prices." When they need money, they sell off some of their stake.

The federal government participates little in the upside though because we've created a monster tax code where the effective tax rate on corps is low meanwhile their stock prices goes up bigly at a much faster rate than any tax collection. Meanwhile we the people must pay taxes to support the system that creates the monster valuations in the market that foreigners are profiting off of.

The rest of the world is stealing is from us. They take our jobs, they expect us to police the world, and then get rich off of our markets. And our federal government taxes the crap out of American labor where there isn't enough money to meet our budget requirements.

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Dear lord no.

So the federal government should print more money and go deeper into debt so they can buy the stock of American corporations? No thanks.

I can see it now. Manipulating stock prices with big purchases and selloffs, trying to influence companies' policies through stock price manipulation based purely on political ideology.

Absolutely no way.

while we're at it maybe we should let them manage our 401ks

Dan Scott said:

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Before y'all go crazy, follow along with me.

We have $37T in debt. We have annual deficits of $2T. And nobody has the balls to really cut wasteful spending or raise taxes.

Countries like Norway and Qatar have sovereign wealth funds investing in American companies and as Trump said, "Everything is down except stock prices." When they need money, they sell off some of their stake.

The federal government participates little in the upside though because we've created a monster tax code where the effective tax rate on corps is low meanwhile their stock prices goes up bigly at a much faster rate than any tax collection. Meanwhile we the people must pay taxes to support the system that creates the monster valuations in the market that foreigners are profiting off of.

The rest of the world is stealing is from us. They take our jobs, they expect us to police the world, and then get rich off of our markets. And our federal government taxes the crap out of American labor where there isn't enough money to meet our budget requirements.

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No. This would just be another attempt to kick the can down the road to prop up our failing economy and teetering stock market. Let it burn, shrink government exponentially, cut regulation because there should barely be anybody left in government to enforce, and let us build back the free-market way.

NO.

Good gosh.

The US Government takes in 5 trillion in tax revenue. And with that massive amount, they aren't able to maintain a balanced budget.

So we're expected to think things would be solved, if we gave them more, while taking more money away from those who produce it? No...They'll just spend more.

Know how I know? They've done it over and over and over again. Remember just recently how excited we got about DOGE and the wasteful spending cuts? What did they do next? (BBB)

And... "no one has the balls to raise taxes?" Where do I even start? Hindering spending is not the way to grow revenue.

We need to teach history better.

No.

Our current problems are from too much government, instead of not enough government.

Cut the federal bureaucracy by half.

Reduce federal spending by 10% overall and eliminate abuse of welfare programs.

Keep the government out of private businesses and contracts.

No

I would be very concerned about how badly that could be abused by Democrats and other bad actors in the federal government.

Countries like Norway and Quatar have sovereign wealth funds in recognition that one of their prime revenue streams (oil and gas) is depleting, and it's not prudent to treat oil and gas revenue like ordinary tax revenue. By investing that revenue rather than spending it, they (theoretically) ensure a perpetual income stream rather than simply watching that someday peter out to nothing.

"When they need money they sell their stake"

Okay, govt has equity in all our companies and then immediately has to sell it because we operate at a deficit.

Sounds like we're immediately back to current state.

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1st Dan Scott thread? This probably isn't even top 5.

"No" doesn't begin to cover it.

That would be fascist.

Dan Scott said:

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Before y'all go crazy, follow along with me.

We have $37T in debt. We have annual deficits of $2T. And nobody has the balls to really cut wasteful spending or raise taxes.

Countries like Norway and Qatar have sovereign wealth funds investing in American companies and as Trump said, "Everything is down except stock prices." When they need money, they sell off some of their stake.

The federal government participates little in the upside though because we've created a monster tax code where the effective tax rate on corps is low meanwhile their stock prices goes up bigly at a much faster rate than any tax collection. Meanwhile we the people must pay taxes to support the system that creates the monster valuations in the market that foreigners are profiting off of.

The rest of the world is stealing is from us. They take our jobs, they expect us to police the world, and then get rich off of our markets. And our federal government taxes the crap out of American labor where there isn't enough money to meet our budget requirements.

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No. Never.

Dan Scott said:

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Before y'all go crazy, follow along with me.

We have $37T in debt. We have annual deficits of $2T. And nobody has the balls to really cut wasteful spending or raise taxes.

Countries like Norway and Qatar have sovereign wealth funds investing in American companies and as Trump said, "Everything is down except stock prices." When they need money, they sell off some of their stake.

The federal government participates little in the upside though because we've created a monster tax code where the effective tax rate on corps is low meanwhile their stock prices goes up bigly at a much faster rate than any tax collection. Meanwhile we the people must pay taxes to support the system that creates the monster valuations in the market that foreigners are profiting off of.

The rest of the world is stealing is from us. They take our jobs, they expect us to police the world, and then get rich off of our markets. And our federal government taxes the crap out of American labor where there isn't enough money to meet our budget requirements.

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None of that will fix the debt, only massive cuts will.

Tea Party said:

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Dan Scott said:

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Federal Government should have....

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No, they shouldn't.

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Federal government should have a mandatory debt ceiling of 1/2 GDP.

Federal government should have term limits for all employees, elected and appointed.

Federal government should have a mandatory annual financial audit for all Elected and appointed officials and their families. This includes any investments and partnership involvement.

Dan Scott said:

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Before y'all go crazy, follow along with me.

We have $37T in debt. We have annual deficits of $2T. And nobody has the balls to really cut wasteful spending or raise taxes.

Countries like Norway and Qatar have sovereign wealth funds investing in American companies and as Trump said, "Everything is down except stock prices." When they need money, they sell off some of their stake.

The federal government participates little in the upside though because we've created a monster tax code where the effective tax rate on corps is low meanwhile their stock prices goes up bigly at a much faster rate than any tax collection. Meanwhile we the people must pay taxes to support the system that creates the monster valuations in the market that foreigners are profiting off of.

The rest of the world is stealing is from us. They take our jobs, they expect us to police the world, and then get rich off of our markets. And our federal government taxes the crap out of American labor where there isn't enough money to meet our budget requirements.

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The government is already a silent partner in every business. They get paid first before anyone else. Its called Taxes

There once was a guy named Dan.
Who had a terrible plan.
But he did the most and decided to post in hope of getting new fans.

So he headed to Forum 16.
To share his deficit dream.
And he wrote of how the government now should own corporate holdings.

But the responses were not very cheery.
He was met with disdain and fury.
And Dan is now viewed as the new Lot Y with his 'Two Tea' economic theory.

Hard no. Faster track to socialism than even AOC could imagine. The federal government screws up every thing it touches.

There is no way the government does not use the investment to make corporations bend to its political desires. I know we are thinking Dems but even Republicans would do it too

Hell no.

Maybe the government should go into the casino business and put the profit onto debt reduction like some cities along the Mississippi River do. Trump knows all bout gambling.

Tea Party said:

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Dan Scott said:

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Federal Government should have....

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No, they shouldn't.

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EOT

The federal government, with the exception of defense and a few other small sectors, should cease to exist.

China called and they want their golden share back

Krombopulos Michael said:

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Do taxes count?

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I was going to say:

Does the government get taxes?
More profit = more tax.

So yes, the government already takes a stake.

They cannot balance the budget let alone run a successful company.

How do they get the ownership? Shareholders give it to them? Or we borrow more to buy it? Raise taxes to buy stocks?

Literally in any scenario, the money belongs to the people and should go back to the people well before deciding to invest our money. Out of principle.