May 2025.

https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Immigrant-Statistics/MonthlyNIVIssuances/MAY%202025%20-%20NIV%20Issuances%20by%20Nationality%20and%20Visa%20Class.pdf

Look at the ones for India and China.

What is Trump doing to stop this invasion by all other countries?

Foolish clueless naive Americans continuing to get ripped off.

So they're coming in on visas, not illegally?

Visa's that can be revoked?

You want visa's completely stopped?

annie88 said:

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So they're coming in on visas, not illegally?

Visa's that can be revoked?

You want visa's completely stopped?

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It's sad to see what TDS can do to otherwise intelligent people. This is what they're reduced to: faux outrage posts that intentionally misunderstand Trump & MAGA with some pathetic hope of scoring a "Gotcha".

annie88 said:

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So they're coming in on visas, not illegally?

Visa's that can be revoked?

You want visa's completely stopped?

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It is broken down by visa type - tourist, student, H-1B, etc. I looked at the H-1B numbers for India and China and thought the numbers didn't look like that much, but then I realized it was only for the month of May.

So yes, all these people are getting visas to be here legally. But some, namely the H-1B, may not be in the best long-term interests of this country by providing a cheap labor force that keeps American citizens out of work.

93MarineHorn said:

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annie88 said:

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So they're coming in on visas, not illegally?

Visa's that can be revoked?

You want visa's completely stopped?

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It's sad to see what TDS can do to otherwise intelligent people. This is what they're reduced to: faux outrage posts that intentionally misunderstand Trump & MAGA with some pathetic hope of scoring a "Gotcha".

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Don't think he's got TDS. He has EMDS (Elon Musk) about H-1B visas. Probably got laid off by a tech company that hired a cheaper overseas person that came here legally.

Post after post after post after post after post about H-1B visas. Many US companies are not having to prove that they require these folks as there are American's that can do the job these guys do.

I'm guessing these are only formally issued visas because I know tens of thousands of Australians come to the USA every year on the ETSA visa waiver program.

And obviously Canada would be in the millions every year.

The B1/B2 - 73,000+ for China is a business visa that's good for 10 years.
The F1 - 14,000+ for China is a student visa

This is only the visas issued in a 1 month period so we could be letting in 8,760,000+ Chinese on business visas at any one time.
It looks like the F1 is good for 5 years so there could be another 4.2M+ Chinese students there.

Colombia has 50,000+ B1/B2 but hardly any students. That could be 6M there.

The numbers for the Dominican Republic seem lower than I would have thought.
Higher than I expected for Guatemala.

90,000+ B1/B2 visas for India
Almost 7,000 students
But... 10,000+ H-1B visas
And almost 10,000 on something called an H4 which I'm not familiar with (looked it up - dependent spouse of an H1-B)
There's another 3,000 on L1/L2 (temporary work transfers)

130,000+ from Mexico on something called BBBCC (Border Crossing Card) (valid for 10 years, can stay up to 30 days at a time)
That could account for more than 15M Mexicans legally in the USA.

Almost 35,000 on H-2A (Temporary Agricultural Workers) (can stay up to 3 years)
And almost 15,000 on H-2B (Temporary Non Agricultural Workers) (can stay up to 3 years)

50,000 a month in temporary workers for 3 years is another 1.8M in legal Mexicans.

So it looks like there is a way to get documents.

Good. A robust discussion on legal immigration.

Shocking the numbers from South American countries like Argentina, Brazil, and Columbia as well.

Criminals and terrorists don't want to be documented

infinity ag said:

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May 2025.

https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Immigrant-Statistics/MonthlyNIVIssuances/MAY%202025%20-%20NIV%20Issuances%20by%20Nationality%20and%20Visa%20Class.pdf

Look at the ones for India and China.

What is Trump doing to stop this invasion by all other countries?

Foolish clueless naive Americans continuing to get ripped off.

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There are 10,000 H1Bs
There are 90,000 B1/B2 (Business/Tourtist) Visas.

You want to stop business visitors and tourists?

HollywoodBQ said:

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I'm guessing these are only formally issued visas because I know tens of thousands of Australians come to the USA every year on the ETSA visa waiver program.

And obviously Canada would be in the millions every year.

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So they come here, spend some tourist dollars, and have a good time. And then they go back home.

They should start issuing American Expresses instead, amirite??

annie88 said:

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So they're coming in on visas, not illegally?

Visa's that can be revoked?

You want visa's completely stopped?

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What do you mean?
Just because something is "legal", it is right and the best way forward?

So that means if the Government issues H1B visas to the whole world and they move to the US, it makes it okay?

Clarify your post above.

deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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May 2025.

https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Immigrant-Statistics/MonthlyNIVIssuances/MAY%202025%20-%20NIV%20Issuances%20by%20Nationality%20and%20Visa%20Class.pdf

Look at the ones for India and China.

What is Trump doing to stop this invasion by all other countries?

Foolish clueless naive Americans continuing to get ripped off.

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There are 10,000 H1Bs
There are 90,000 B1/B2 (Business/Tourtist) Visas.

You want to stop business visitors and tourists?

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All H1Bs stopped.
All illegals kicked out.

F1 students study, pay 100% and go back.
Tourist visa/Business visa come here for a short time and go back.

I wouldn't be surprised if people are grossly misusing the visas through Indian bodyshopper companies.

93MarineHorn said:

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annie88 said:

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So they're coming in on visas, not illegally?

Visa's that can be revoked?

You want visa's completely stopped?

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It's sad to see what TDS can do to otherwise intelligent people. This is what they're reduced to: faux outrage posts that intentionally misunderstand Trump & MAGA with some pathetic hope of scoring a "Gotcha".

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Don't worry about me. I am good.
Worry about your grandchildren who would have to go to Africa or China to get a job.

infinity ag said:

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annie88 said:

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So they're coming in on visas, not illegally?

Visa's that can be revoked?

You want visa's completely stopped?

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What do you mean?
Just because something is "legal", it is right and the best way forward?

So that means if the Government issues H1B visas to the whole world and they move to the US, it makes it okay?

Clarify your post above.

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Well, there is a 65,000 cap, so it would take a few years to let in the entire world.

People coming here legally is supposed to be a problem? Why?

Yes, there is a 65000 VISA cap, so its interesting to see that only about 10,000 H1s were actually approved.

No Spin Ag said:

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People coming here legally is supposed to be a problem? Why?

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The only people I would let in legally are the best and brightest, and it would be for citizenship only. They must renounce citizenship in their former country. You want to be in this country, you go all in! None of this we are going to work here with allegiance to your former country and sending cash back home.

deddog said:

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Yes, there is a 65000 VISA cap, so its interesting to see that only about 10,000 H1s were actually approved.

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In 4 years, Biden let in 210,000 actual illegals per month. These H1B visas are round off compared to that.

No Spin Ag said:

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People coming here legally is supposed to be a problem? Why?

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You know why.

torrid said:

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annie88 said:

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So they're coming in on visas, not illegally?

Visa's that can be revoked?

You want visa's completely stopped?

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It is broken down by visa type - tourist, student, H-1B, etc. I looked at the H-1B numbers for India and China and thought the numbers didn't look like that much, but then I realized it was only for the month of May.

So yes, all these people are getting visas to be here legally. But some, namely the H-1B, may not be in the best long-term interests of this country by providing a cheap labor force that keeps American citizens out of work.

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That number doesn't mean that there are 10,000 new H-1Bs coming from India, FYI. The vast majority of those will be renewals of people who have been in H-1B for a long time. For India specifically (and to a lesser extent, China) permanent residency backlogs mean these people are just renewing for years and years until their spot in the green card line comes up.

The government can only issue 85000 new H-1Bs a year. Any number beyond that is a renewal.

Visas are also a bad way to measure overall numbers of individual foreigners, as well. For example, the U.S. Embassy in Chile only issues an H-1B visa for a year, while the status itself is approved for three years. An H-1B worker from that country would need to apply for a visa 3x during the timeframe of one actual H-1B status approval, if they want to keep traveling internationally, as you cannot return without a visa even if your H-1B status is still valid and unexpired.

HollywoodBQ said:

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I'm guessing these are only formally issued visas because I know tens of thousands of Australians come to the USA every year on the ETSA visa waiver program.

And obviously Canada would be in the millions every year.

The B1/B2 - 73,000+ for China is a business visa that's good for 10 years.
The F1 - 14,000+ for China is a student visa

This is only the visas issued in a 1 month period so we could be letting in 8,760,000+ Chinese on business visas at any one time.
It looks like the F1 is good for 5 years so there could be another 4.2M+ Chinese students there.

Colombia has 50,000+ B1/B2 but hardly any students. That could be 6M there.

The numbers for the Dominican Republic seem lower than I would have thought.
Higher than I expected for Guatemala.

90,000+ B1/B2 visas for India
Almost 7,000 students
But... 10,000+ H-1B visas
And almost 10,000 on something called an H4 which I'm not familiar with (looked it up - dependent spouse of an H1-B)
There's another 3,000 on L1/L2 (temporary work transfers)

130,000+ from Mexico on something called BBBCC (Border Crossing Card) (valid for 10 years, can stay up to 30 days at a time)
That could account for more than 15M Mexicans legally in the USA.

Almost 35,000 on H-2A (Temporary Agricultural Workers) (can stay up to 3 years)
And almost 15,000 on H-2B (Temporary Non Agricultural Workers) (can stay up to 3 years)

50,000 a month in temporary workers for 3 years is another 1.8M in legal Mexicans.

So it looks like there is a way to get documents.

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The right way to start this thread. Some data. Some analysis. Some additions to the data. No need to insult Americans or the board. Great job. Some could learn from this post about starting threads. I would give you more than one star if I could!

annie88 said:

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So they're coming in on visas, not illegally?

Visa's that can be revoked?

You want visa's completely stopped?

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Like most of us who work in tech, he wants the government to stop importing vast amounts of workers who take our jobs and drive down our wages when there is practically zero need. We have plenty of educated US citizens who can fill these roles.

infinity ag said:

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All H1Bs stopped.
All illegals kicked out.

F1 students study, pay 100% and go back.
Tourist visa/Business visa come here for a short time and go back.

I wouldn't be surprised if people are grossly misusing the visas through Indian bodyshopper companies.

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Honest question: what is the logic in training foreign workers, only to send them back to their home country after graduation? Wouldn't it be preferable to either: A) have them use their new skills and knowledge in the US; or B) if you simply don't want them here at all, don't let them study here in the first place? I understand they normally pay full premium tuition rates that help defray some of the cost for citizens, but that doesn't really seem to fit neatly into your overall immigration proposal.

Science Denier said:

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infinity ag said:

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annie88 said:

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So they're coming in on visas, not illegally?

Visa's that can be revoked?

You want visa's completely stopped?

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What do you mean?
Just because something is "legal", it is right and the best way forward?

So that means if the Government issues H1B visas to the whole world and they move to the US, it makes it okay?

Clarify your post above.

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Well, there is a 65,000 cap, so it would take a few years to let in the entire world.

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Do you know the meaning of the word "if"?

No Spin Ag said:

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People coming here legally is supposed to be a problem? Why?

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Yes, if they come in floods and if they are low quality people.

Example: 10Million angry Muslim men from Syria or Egypt or Gaza or Pakistan.

If we let them in "legally", it will be a big problem. Something that the UK and France has now.

txyaloo said:

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annie88 said:

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So they're coming in on visas, not illegally?

Visa's that can be revoked?

You want visa's completely stopped?

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Like most of us who work in tech, he wants the government to stop importing vast amounts of workers who take our jobs and drive down our wages when there is practically zero need. We have plenty of educated US citizens who can fill these roles.

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Thanks for explaining it well.
I have tried to do that so many times that it is frustrating to have to repeat myself and people here fail to see that we even have a problem.

A solution is far off and is a different problem to solve. Many people are clueless about basic demand and supply.

12thAngryMan said:

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infinity ag said:

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All H1Bs stopped.
All illegals kicked out.

F1 students study, pay 100% and go back.
Tourist visa/Business visa come here for a short time and go back.

I wouldn't be surprised if people are grossly misusing the visas through Indian bodyshopper companies.

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Honest question: what is the logic in training foreign workers, only to send them back to their home country after graduation? Wouldn't it be preferable to either: A) have them use their new skills and knowledge in the US; or B) if you simply don't want them here at all, don't let them study here in the first place? I understand they normally pay full premium tuition rates that help defray some of the cost for citizens, but that doesn't really seem to fit neatly into your overall immigration proposal.

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If they were really that good, they would go back to their own countries and make them amazing. Obviously we don't see that. Most students are average and some are sub-average. We want the geniuses here if we want to take anyone in. Not average or the sub-averages.

So just pay full tuition and go back. If someone is a genius, they can stay or come back.


Bottomline is I care more about Americans than foreigners. We can let them in if the economy was roaring. It isn't. So cut down on the supply until Americans are hired.

infinity ag said:

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12thAngryMan said:

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infinity ag said:

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All H1Bs stopped.
All illegals kicked out.

F1 students study, pay 100% and go back.
Tourist visa/Business visa come here for a short time and go back.

I wouldn't be surprised if people are grossly misusing the visas through Indian bodyshopper companies.

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Honest question: what is the logic in training foreign workers, only to send them back to their home country after graduation? Wouldn't it be preferable to either: A) have them use their new skills and knowledge in the US; or B) if you simply don't want them here at all, don't let them study here in the first place? I understand they normally pay full premium tuition rates that help defray some of the cost for citizens, but that doesn't really seem to fit neatly into your overall immigration proposal.

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If they were really that good, they would go back to their own countries and make them amazing. Obviously we don't see that. Most students are average and some are sub-average. We want the geniuses here if we want to take anyone in. Not average or the sub-averages.

So just pay full tuition and go back. If someone is a genius, they can stay or come back.


Bottomline is I care more about Americans than foreigners. We can let them in if the economy was roaring. It isn't. So cut down on the supply until Americans are hired.

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Yeah it's a myth they are smarter or better educated. They will work for cheaper and they are more compliant.

samurai_science said:

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infinity ag said:

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12thAngryMan said:

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infinity ag said:

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All H1Bs stopped.
All illegals kicked out.

F1 students study, pay 100% and go back.
Tourist visa/Business visa come here for a short time and go back.

I wouldn't be surprised if people are grossly misusing the visas through Indian bodyshopper companies.

---

Honest question: what is the logic in training foreign workers, only to send them back to their home country after graduation? Wouldn't it be preferable to either: A) have them use their new skills and knowledge in the US; or B) if you simply don't want them here at all, don't let them study here in the first place? I understand they normally pay full premium tuition rates that help defray some of the cost for citizens, but that doesn't really seem to fit neatly into your overall immigration proposal.

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If they were really that good, they would go back to their own countries and make them amazing. Obviously we don't see that. Most students are average and some are sub-average. We want the geniuses here if we want to take anyone in. Not average or the sub-averages.

So just pay full tuition and go back. If someone is a genius, they can stay or come back.


Bottomline is I care more about Americans than foreigners. We can let them in if the economy was roaring. It isn't. So cut down on the supply until Americans are hired.

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Yeah it's a myth they are smarter or better educated. They will work for cheaper and they are more compliant.

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Yes.
But Americans today have low self esteem sadly. By default they think they suck at math (and are proud of it) and think 3rd worlders are smarter than they are or can be. Why have we become so lazy over the last 40 years?

txyaloo said:

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annie88 said:

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So they're coming in on visas, not illegally?

Visa's that can be revoked?

You want visa's completely stopped?

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Like most of us who work in tech, he wants the government to stop importing vast amounts of workers who take our jobs and drive down our wages when there is practically zero need. We have plenty of educated US citizens who can fill these roles.

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I agree with this. As a prof I taught many international grad students; and as a hiring manager I hired a lot of H1B consultants. They are not generally the cream of the crop compared to Americans, but they are cheap.

Visas are gamed so as to make a mockery of the process and put American IT guys/gals at a real disadvantage.
Worse, the company will hire one as a manager; all they will generally hire is other Indians. The on-shore guys I worked with were all Indian, many of the off-shore were Chinese (or Indian).

I was at a level that meant I didn't have to compete with Visa folks, but it lowered the hiring of qualified Americans substantially at the places I worked and consulted.

So I get Infinity's frustration. I would say "most of us in tech" should be "almost all American tech workers." I'm retired, so don't think there is any way that this opinion is "self-serving".

infinity ag said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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People coming here legally is supposed to be a problem? Why?

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Yes, if they come in floods and if they are low quality people.

Example: 10Million angry Muslim men from Syria or Egypt or Gaza or Pakistan.

If we let them in "legally", it will be a big problem. Something that the UK and France has now.

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At 10k/year, it will take 1,000 years to get to 10 million.

I think we are OK

Science Denier said:

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infinity ag said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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People coming here legally is supposed to be a problem? Why?

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Yes, if they come in floods and if they are low quality people.

Example: 10Million angry Muslim men from Syria or Egypt or Gaza or Pakistan.

If we let them in "legally", it will be a big problem. Something that the UK and France has now.

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At 10k/year, it will take 1,000 years to get to 10 million.

I think we are OK

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I'm 100 percent certain we will all be dead before we see those numbers. Maybe infinity ag has that magic water that keeps him alive forever.

93MarineHorn said:

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annie88 said:

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So they're coming in on visas, not illegally?

Visa's that can be revoked?

You want visa's completely stopped?

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It's sad to see what TDS can do to otherwise intelligent people. This is what they're reduced to: faux outrage posts that intentionally misunderstand Trump & MAGA with some pathetic hope of scoring a "Gotcha".

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Works both ways. Some of yall worship Trump so much you can't see the ways he's screwing you.

Bringing in legions of Indians and Chinese to take American jobs is not a good thing

infinity ag said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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People coming here legally is supposed to be a problem? Why?

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Yes, if they come in floods and if they are low quality people.

Example: 10Million angry Muslim men from Syria or Egypt or Gaza or Pakistan.

If we let them in "legally", it will be a big problem. Something that the UK and France has now.

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Indians always give themselves away too easily when posting.

There are about 600,000 Pakistani origin people in the U.S. that includes immigrants as well as naturalized citizens, 2nd and 3rd gens. The gender distribution is roughly even - 51% to 49% male to female. Pakistani-Americans are above average income and above average in education.

This isn't the UK. The Pakistanis that migrate to the US are of a different background.