TX Special Session Rumor: Abbott to Insert Redistricting of U.S. House Districts

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Ag with kids
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Damn...

I'm only on page 13 and it's quite clear Smith thinks Brown's ruling is a steaming pile of *****..
Im Gipper
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I think that was clear on Page 1!

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will25u
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"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."

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techno-ag
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will25u said:



Good. Hope some positive consequences come out of this.
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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About the late dissent:

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5613782-gop-map-challenged-texas/amp/
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techno-ag said:

will25u said:



Good. Hope some positive consequences come out of this.



I don't think the 5th circuit can step in from what I've read. Straight to SCOTUS.

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Teslag
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Why would 5th circuit not hear the appeal?
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Teslag said:

Why would 5th circuit not hear the appeal?


Because that's what the law sets out for these cases.

Appeal already filed to Supreme Court

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/texas/news/texas-appeals-to-u-s-supreme-court-after-federal-judges-block-newly-drawn-congressional-maps-for-next-years-midterm-elections/

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I found this helpful in understanding the issue.

https://thedispatch.com/podcast/advisoryopinions/the-dissent-heard-around-the-world/
will25u
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"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."

- Abraham Lincoln
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"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."

- Abraham Lincoln
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Teslag
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Yep, just like most of us thought it would go
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Who?mikejones! said:



Make me think that the decision has already been made to nuke Section 2 of the VRA.

If they were going to keep it, Alito would have turned down the appeal.
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I think they would have heard it anyway. SCOTUS said you can draw maps for partisan reasons. And the majority opinion in the appeal had to bend over backwards for a flimsy reason to make it about race when it clearly wasn't.
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Effectively: "our administrative cycle would stupidly screw up a political cycle, so we're not going to oscillate the nation over this. Go ahead."
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Here's an article from a legal expert on the subject:

https://www.dailysignal.com/2025/11/20/texas-redistricting-most-scathing-denunciation-of-court-decision-ive-ever-read/

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On Tuesday, the media was filled with stories that a three-judge panel had voted 2-1 to issue a 160-page order blocking the Texas legislature's new congressional redistricting plan.

The order claimed the redistricting was unlawfully based on race as opposed to partisanshipa claim at odds with what we all saw happen in the partisan political fight within the state legislature, which included a walkout by Democrat legislators.

What wasn't attached to the order was the dissenting opinion by Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Jerry Smith, a 37-year veteran of the federal judiciary who is greatly respected for his legal acumen. His 104-page dissent came out a day later and marks the most scathing denunciation I have ever read of another judge.




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In his dissent, Smith accused Brown and Guaderrama of "pernicious judicial misbehavior" in deliberately not providing Smith with "any reasonable opportunity" to review Brown's opinion "and respond" before it was issued. Smith calls it "the most outrageous conduct by a judge that I have ever encountered in a case in which I have been involved." He spends four pages going through the timing involved and says that "any pretense of judicial restraint, good faith or trust by these two judges is gone."

Smith then starts off the substance of his dissenting opinion by acknowledging an undeniable fact: "The main winners from Judge Brown's opinion are George Soros and Gavin Newsom. The obvious losers are the People of Texas and the Rule of Law."

Smith proceeds to totally dismantle the majority's decision and its unsubstantiated claim that race, not politics, was the driving factor in the redistricting. Throughout, he repeats the phrase "I dissent" more than a dozen times.




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According to Smith, Brown's opinion is so deceptive and so lacking in facts or law that Brown could have "saved himself and the readers a lot of time and effort by merely stating the following":

I just don't like what the Legislature did here. It was unnecessary, and it seems unfair to disadvantaged voters. I need to step in to make sure wiser heads prevail over the nakedly partisan and racially questionable actions of these zealous lawmakers…I'm using my considerable clout as a federal district judge to put a stop to bad policy judgments. After all, I get paid to do what I think is right.

Brown's actions are, Smith wrote, "the most blatant exercise of judicial activism" that he has "ever witnessed" during his lengthy judicial career.
Theres more at the link. Von Spakovsky is a former DOJ civil rights division attorney and he's great. Judge Smith wrecked the unethical judges.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

Here's an article from a legal expert on the subject:

https://www.dailysignal.com/2025/11/20/texas-redistricting-most-scathing-denunciation-of-court-decision-ive-ever-read/

Quote:

On Tuesday, the media was filled with stories that a three-judge panel had voted 2-1 to issue a 160-page order blocking the Texas legislature's new congressional redistricting plan.

The order claimed the redistricting was unlawfully based on race as opposed to partisanshipa claim at odds with what we all saw happen in the partisan political fight within the state legislature, which included a walkout by Democrat legislators.

What wasn't attached to the order was the dissenting opinion by Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Jerry Smith, a 37-year veteran of the federal judiciary who is greatly respected for his legal acumen. His 104-page dissent came out a day later and marks the most scathing denunciation I have ever read of another judge.




Quote:

In his dissent, Smith accused Brown and Guaderrama of "pernicious judicial misbehavior" in deliberately not providing Smith with "any reasonable opportunity" to review Brown's opinion "and respond" before it was issued. Smith calls it "the most outrageous conduct by a judge that I have ever encountered in a case in which I have been involved." He spends four pages going through the timing involved and says that "any pretense of judicial restraint, good faith or trust by these two judges is gone."

Smith then starts off the substance of his dissenting opinion by acknowledging an undeniable fact: "The main winners from Judge Brown's opinion are George Soros and Gavin Newsom. The obvious losers are the People of Texas and the Rule of Law."

Smith proceeds to totally dismantle the majority's decision and its unsubstantiated claim that race, not politics, was the driving factor in the redistricting. Throughout, he repeats the phrase "I dissent" more than a dozen times.




Quote:

According to Smith, Brown's opinion is so deceptive and so lacking in facts or law that Brown could have "saved himself and the readers a lot of time and effort by merely stating the following":

I just don't like what the Legislature did here. It was unnecessary, and it seems unfair to disadvantaged voters. I need to step in to make sure wiser heads prevail over the nakedly partisan and racially questionable actions of these zealous lawmakers…I'm using my considerable clout as a federal district judge to put a stop to bad policy judgments. After all, I get paid to do what I think is right.

Brown's actions are, Smith wrote, "the most blatant exercise of judicial activism" that he has "ever witnessed" during his lengthy judicial career.
Theres more at the link. Von Spakovsky is a former DOJ civil rights division attorney and he's great. Judge Smith wrecked the unethical judges.
Hopefully the unethical judges' careers will suffer as a consequence. It's not right for the highest guardians of justice to be so partisan.
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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What I want to know is why Texas and other states undercounted in the last.census, effectively denying proportionate representation on Congress, and the Electoral College, not sued for immediate remedy? We should not be forced to wait until the 2030 census to get our votes.
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taxpreparer said:

What I want to know is why Texas and other states undercounted in the last.census, effectively denying proportionate representation on Congress, and the Electoral College, not sued for immediate remedy? We should not be forced to wait until the 2030 census to get our votes.
Why? You know why. The "mistakes" only ever happen and harm one side.
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Fall92
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Correct. The practical effect is that you can gerrymander in favor of race for minorities but you can't undo it because it is… based on race.
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will25u said:



Now do Texas.
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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will25u said:



Breaking:

A Hawaii Justice of the Peace has vacated this ruling!
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TOUCHDOWN!
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ReThuglicans can't win without cheating.
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TOUCHDOWN! said:

ReThuglicans can't win without cheating.

You do realize California started all this, right?
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TOUCHDOWN! said:

ReThuglicans can't win without cheating.


Now do Illinois
Logos Stick
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TOUCHDOWN! said:

ReThuglicans can't win without cheating.


Hey there little buddy, your side started this. Have you ever looked at the lack of representation that conservatives get in liberals states as far as House Reps?

I hope we grind your side into dust!
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TOUCHDOWN! said:

ReThuglicans can't win without cheating.

If you realized that both parties emphasize party over people, you could have a more honest discussion. But ignoring the D's faults while only highlighting the R's issues is disingenuous, and this goes for both sides.

The bigger issue is why do politicians even feel the need to cheat and why are their constituents ok with it?
The answer pretty much sums up to incompatible political leanings and we should quit pretending they can be compatible.
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TOUCHDOWN! said:

ReThuglicans can't win without cheating.

Does it bother you that Kalifornia and New York have democrat representation that rightfully belongs to Texas because of our last flawed Census?

Of course it doesn't. Y'all believe anything goes. We just want correct representation.
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TOUCHDOWN! said:

ReThuglicans can't win without cheating.

WHEN Texas implements its new map, it will still be LESS gerrymandered than California RIGHT NOW before they change their map.


But, yeah...it's the GOP that cheats...
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Ag with kids said:

will25u said:



Breaking:

A Hawaii Justice of the Peace has vacated this ruling!

Breaking:

 
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