Farmer_J said:

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Doge discovered the mechanism of how all our politicians are corrupted. We have to assume that every politician is compromised.

So yeah, I say, let's replace them all

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DOGE discovered super pacs?

TexAgs91 said:

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I would oust Thune first. He's the one who didn't fire the Senate Parliamentarian who took out a lot of the cost cutting stuff. That's the steaming pile of crap that Johnson was handed.

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Why didn't Vance just overrule her?

Thune and Johnson have Trump just what he wanted and it's a giant political win for Trump.

They aren't going anywhere! Like it or not!

Johnson could have stood on his principles and got his ass handed to him by the Dems like most principled R's have had happen in the last thirty years. Instead, he holds his fragile majority together and gets the BBB passed. I will give him a lot of credit for that. He's actually been the most effective R Speaker since I don't know when. My hope is that this kick starts the economy, Rs win more seats in '26, and then they can shove a bunch of genuinely conservative legislation down the Democrats' throats like they have been doing to us for decades.

Take the win.

2000AgPhD said:

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He's actually been the most effective R Speaker since I don't know when.

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Like when he and the Democrats collaborated on a stop gap CR in 2024.

TRM said:

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… according to three people with direct knowledge of the matter who were granted anonymity to discuss it.

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Why is it only fake news when it's something you don't like?

I can complain about things i dont like, but he has delivered results with razor thin margins, time and time again. I have got to give credit where credit is due. He's more pragmatic, and less idealistic, and i can respect that.

Yall can go ahead and form a new party . All you will do is take votes away from the Repub candidates and deliver victory into Dems hands. You want perfection and will knock out ever having good again. Go ahead and be a bigger factor in destroying America with your American Party or whatever you call it . How about the Losing America party?

TA-OP said:

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TRM said:

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… according to three people with direct knowledge of the matter who were granted anonymity to discuss it.

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Why is it only fake news when it's something you don't like?

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Because 99% of the junk from MSM is fake...

TRM said:

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From April

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/04/10/congress/mike-johnson-spending-cuts-blood-oath-00283661

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Speaker Mike Johnson told Republican holdouts on the party's crucial budget plan in a private meeting Wednesday night that they could oust him from the speakership if he doesn't follow through with his fiscal promises, according to three people with direct knowledge of the matter who were granted anonymity to discuss it.

Johnson pledged to abide by the House budget instructions, including a minimum of $1.5 trillion in spending cuts, for the domestic policy megabill that Republicans are now able to pursue on party lines after Thursday's successful vote.

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The Senate's version of BBB that Johnson is blindly accepting exceeds the House budget rules by more than $500 billion. So should the fiscal hawks hold his feet to the fire? I say yes. He has been out of his depth the entire time and is a continuation of the same crap spending "deals" we've seen under prior leadership.

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My dyslexia is kicking in....so he pledged $1.5T in cuts (over 10 years by the way which is meaningless). Exceeding rules by more than $500B means they only cut $1T then? What is the relationship here? Really confusing.

The House setup an inequality in their Budget instructions Gross Spending Cuts >= Net Tax Cuts - 2.5T.

The House bill had $3.8T in tax cuts and 1.6T in spending cuts being compliant with their rules by $0.3T. The scored Senate Bill had $4.5T in tax cuts meaning it needed at least $2T in spending cuts to be complaint with House budget rules, but the Senate scored bill only had $1.5T in spending cuts. That's were the $500B is coming from.

The final Senate Bill that passed is actually worse than what I had in the OP - same tax cuts but only $1.35T in cuts, so that $500B referenced is in really $650B short of being in compliance with the inequality.

Mike Johnson is a fraud.

And Reagan had no clue. Very perceptive! Let's face it, Jesus will never be president. Nor would you vote for him if he were to run. You'd dismiss him as a leftist.

TRM said:

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2000AgPhD said:

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He's actually been the most effective R Speaker since I don't know when.

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Like when he and the Democrats collaborated on a stop gap CR in 2024.

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Exactly. If not for the Dems, it would not have passed. Mr Most Effective couldn't get his Rs to support it. Instead, he works with the enemy. I posted the same in response to FireAg and he proceeded to disappear like pee in the ocean.

You know what would have happened if that CR hadn't passed? Automatic spending cuts would have gone into effect. Real spending cuts! That was the deal they made with Biden when they agreed to suspend the debt ceiling for him. That's why Johnson did it, to avoid the cuts. He's a damn joke! The Rs were willing to allow the cuts to take place, but Johnson prevented it! Worst speaker ever for the Rs!

Bryanisbest said:

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And Reagan had no clue. Very perceptive! Let's face it, Jesus will never be president. Nor would you vote for him if he were to run. You'd dismiss him as a leftist.

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I'm sure this made sense in your head when you wrote it.

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TRM said:

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From April

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/04/10/congress/mike-johnson-spending-cuts-blood-oath-00283661

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Speaker Mike Johnson told Republican holdouts on the party's crucial budget plan in a private meeting Wednesday night that they could oust him from the speakership if he doesn't follow through with his fiscal promises, according to three people with direct knowledge of the matter who were granted anonymity to discuss it.

Johnson pledged to abide by the House budget instructions, including a minimum of $1.5 trillion in spending cuts, for the domestic policy megabill that Republicans are now able to pursue on party lines after Thursday's successful vote.

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The Senate's version of BBB that Johnson is blindly accepting exceeds the House budget rules by more than $500 billion. So should the fiscal hawks hold his feet to the fire? I say yes. He has been out of his depth the entire time and is a continuation of the same crap spending "deals" we've seen under prior leadership.

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My dyslexia is kicking in....so he pledged $1.5T in cuts (over 10 years by the way which is meaningless). Exceeding rules by more than $500B means they only cut $1T then? What is the relationship here? Really confusing.

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It means we dont cut 1.5 trillion in 10 years, and instead we dont cut 1 trillion in 10 years

Thats against the rules of shell game

My understanding of the bill that passed is it adds roughly $4T to debt over 10 years, and that's in addition to the $2T debt we're adding each year right now. So we'll add about $2.4T to the debt annually going forward. They raised the debt cap by $5T, so we could be looking at hitting the debt limit again before Trump leaves office.

A lot of moving parts... tariff revenue could reduce additions to the debt. So could higher than normal growth that produces higher tax revenues. Then again, a weaker dollar and tariff-driven inflation could push interest rates up, eating more of the budget each year just for interest on the debt and pushing us toward the new debt limit even faster.

If I predicted any outcome, I'd be wrong. Will just have to see how it rolls from here...

In a perfect world, yes. In reality, no. And it's never going to happen.

In terms of what he has been able to get done I think he's doing a bang up job. I understand and agree with the angst about the fiscal responsibility but with the current makeup in Congress and with DJT in charge I think he is doing about as well as possible.

He is not a fraud. He is constrained by the makeup of the house and by Trump's guidance . We all knew Trump was going to push to cut taxes and spend big , albeit generally spend on things that are net positives as opposed to net negatives designed to alter power structure and divide the country.