Gandalf the Maroon said:

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Poor kid, what he did was awful, but I still feel bad for anyone who is in a situation that leads them to do what he did. May God have mercy on him. And I hate that tweet, nobody is beyond salvation.

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And that is the prevailing liberal belief about crime and criminals - the situation led them to do what they did - leading to disastrous criminal justice reform that considers treatment and reintegration, and thus worldly salvation, more important than public safety.

I worked with juvenile murderers, rapists, and child molesters. The chaos and violence in their lives was disturbing and heartrending. However, at some point they would admit excitement at the thought of their wicked intentions prior to committing the act - the motivation of which was entirely independent of the severe traumatizing abuse and neglect they experienced.

Psychologist Rob Henderson shared in his recent book Troubled about shuffling through the foster care system and the "situations," as it were, leading to his own antisocial behavior; however, he writes

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I was well aware that dysfunction and deprivation are enormous obstacles to success. On the other hand, I believed that even under such conditions, people still retained agency. People have choices; we're not billiard balls traveling along preordained trajectories with no say in the matter. . . . [It] is a choice you are making.

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It is a question of the origin of good and evil.

Liberals disavow that there are people who revel in cruelty and violence.

If we can just give them an education, and a home, and a job, and healthcare, and whatever else they seemingly lack, they will change their ways (note: they never discuss stable family as a solution, it is always economic).

I guess they never actually spoke to someone who admitted that that kind of life is boring and they like the excitement, and power, of pointing a gun at someone, threatening them, and telling them what to do.

AGinHI said:

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Gandalf the Maroon said:

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Poor kid, what he did was awful, but I still feel bad for anyone who is in a situation that leads them to do what he did. May God have mercy on him. And I hate that tweet, nobody is beyond salvation.

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And that is the prevailing liberal belief about crime and criminals - the situation led them to do what they did - leading to disastrous criminal justice reform that considers treatment and reintegration, and thus worldly salvation, more important than public safety.

I worked with juvenile murderers, rapists, and child molesters. The chaos and violence in their lives was disturbing and heartrending. However, at some point they would admit excitement at the thought of their wicked intentions prior to committing the act - the motivation of which was entirely independent of the severe traumatizing abuse and neglect they experienced.

Psychologist Rob Henderson shared in his recent book Troubled about shuffling through the foster care system and the "situations," as it were, leading to his own antisocial behavior; however, he writes

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I was well aware that dysfunction and deprivation are enormous obstacles to success. On the other hand, I believed that even under such conditions, people still retained agency. People have choices; we're not billiard balls traveling along preordained trajectories with no say in the matter. . . . [It] is a choice you are making.

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It is a question of the origin of good and evil.

Liberals disavow that there are people who revel in cruelty and violence.

If we can just give them an education, and a home, and a job, and healthcare, and whatever else they seemingly lack, they will change their ways (note: they never discuss stable family as a solution, it is always economic).

I guess they never actually spoke to someone who admitted that that kind of life is boring and they like the excitement, and power, of pointing a gun at someone, threatening them, and telling them what to do.

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I would bet most people don't know that of the first humans born of humans; a brother was murdered by his own brother when Cain murdered Able.

AGinHI said:

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Gandalf the Maroon said:

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Poor kid, what he did was awful, but I still feel bad for anyone who is in a situation that leads them to do what he did. May God have mercy on him. And I hate that tweet, nobody is beyond salvation.

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And that is the prevailing liberal belief about crime and criminals - the situation led them to do what they did - leading to disastrous criminal justice reform that considers treatment and reintegration, and thus worldly salvation, more important than public safety.

I worked with juvenile murderers, rapists, and child molesters. The chaos and violence in their lives was disturbing and heartrending. However, at some point they would admit excitement at the thought of their wicked intentions prior to committing the act - the motivation of which was entirely independent of the severe traumatizing abuse and neglect they experienced.

Psychologist Rob Henderson shared in his recent book Troubled about shuffling through the foster care system and the "situations," as it were, leading to his own antisocial behavior; however, he writes

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I was well aware that dysfunction and deprivation are enormous obstacles to success. On the other hand, I believed that even under such conditions, people still retained agency. People have choices; we're not billiard balls traveling along preordained trajectories with no say in the matter. . . . [It] is a choice you are making.

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It is a question of the origin of good and evil.

Liberals disavow that there are people who revel in cruelty and violence.

If we can just give them an education, and a home, and a job, and healthcare, and whatever else they seemingly lack, they will change their ways (note: they never discuss stable family as a solution, it is always economic).

I guess they never actually spoke to someone who admitted that that kind of life is boring and they like the excitement, and power, of pointing a gun at someone, threatening them, and telling them what to do.

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I don't think you can dispute that bad situations often bring out these things in people. Like you said, these people have a lot of chaos and violence in there lives. However I'm not saying that they are a victim of the situation. Each person has a decision to make, and they're 100% responsible for that decision. All I said was that I felt bad because obviously the kid was in a terrible situation. He still entirely to blame for his actions.
I do disagree with you that there are some people who are simply evil. Of course, every single one of us can choose evil, and will from time to time. And the more you choose it, the more 'fun' it seems. That's how sin works, it's addicting like a drug. I do believe if we had more stable families, a lot of evil in this world would go away.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, we're all sinners and regardless of how bad our situation is, we will sin and be 100% at fault, but generally the worse the situation, the worse the sin. That's my opinion at least, I admit you have a lot more experience with this subject.