And that would be fun

Old McDonald said:

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he's pretty clearly in denial about his ket problem, which is sad to see as someone with family who have gone through addiction. hope he gets the help he needs.

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I hope you have good insurance.

doubledog said:

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In a defamation case the proof is on WSJ & NYT. If they are deposed they will have to reveal their sources or risk losing the case.

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It's the accused with the burden of proof? Other than affirmative defense cases the only place I've seen that to be true is on political message boards.

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Bunk Moreland said:

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Im Gipper said:

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Has he sued them or just uploaded a drug test paper?

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Just the drug test upload. But I'd bet good money the lawsuit(s) are incoming unless they take some very action to correct and reprimand (fire) the journalists that wrote it.

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Why? He's not proving he wasn't on anything when they reported the allegations. Ketamine leaves your system same-day. Cocaine is 2-3 days I think

A drug test on June 11th isn't exactly disproving of any claim.

EDIT - just saw it was a hair follicle test. That's different and I have no idea how that works with the various drugs other than it's longer.

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He really does not need to disprove anything. The burden is on the accuser to provide evidence to prove their claim.

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Not really. In a defamation case the burden is on the plaintiff to prove, among other things, that the defendant knew what they were saying was false. That can be difficult to do.

They are going to put themselves out of business before Elon can...

Cougar11 said:

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Francis Macomber said:

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Gaeilge said:

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The WSJ & New York Times fake “journalists” lied through their teeth about me.

Now let’s see their drug test results.

They will fail. pic.twitter.com/QvLRWyHbSC

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 18, 2025

They ran a story saying he was on drugs. He's got the money and the principles to run this lawsuit to bankrupt them just out of spite. But I do believe he may have a decent defamation lawsuit here.

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No way he would win a defamation suit against them.

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he can make them pay or open their records to discovery.

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I am sure they don't really give a ***** He'd pay millions of their attorney fees if he brought the case, which is why he won't sue.

There are at least two ways Musk beats them.

1 - He wins the case. They pay a bunch of money, fire people and have to apologize.
2 - He loses the case. He's got more money than them. He will bleed them dry on attorney fees. And he wins the court of public opinion.

Cool! My old junior high era stomping grounds over by the old Westgate Mall!

Francis Macomber said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Francis Macomber said:

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Gaeilge said:

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The WSJ & New York Times fake “journalists” lied through their teeth about me.

Now let’s see their drug test results.

They will fail. pic.twitter.com/QvLRWyHbSC

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 18, 2025

They ran a story saying he was on drugs. He's got the money and the principles to run this lawsuit to bankrupt them just out of spite. But I do believe he may have a decent defamation lawsuit here.

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No way he would win a defamation suit against them.

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he can make them pay or open their records to discovery.

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I am sure they don't really give a ***** He'd pay millions of their attorney fees if he brought the case, which is why he won't sue.

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Why would Elon pay their attorney's fees?

He's the richest dude in the world. He has money to burn. If he doesn't sue, it's not because of money.

Im Gipper said:

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Has he sued them or just uploaded a drug test paper?

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He'll be coming for them. It's his MO.

Logos Stick said:

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Francis Macomber said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Francis Macomber said:

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Gaeilge said:

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The WSJ & New York Times fake “journalists” lied through their teeth about me.

Now let’s see their drug test results.

They will fail. pic.twitter.com/QvLRWyHbSC

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 18, 2025

They ran a story saying he was on drugs. He's got the money and the principles to run this lawsuit to bankrupt them just out of spite. But I do believe he may have a decent defamation lawsuit here.

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No way he would win a defamation suit against them.

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he can make them pay or open their records to discovery.

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I am sure they don't really give a ***** He'd pay millions of their attorney fees if he brought the case, which is why he won't sue.

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Why would Elon pay their attorney's fees?

He's the richest dude in the world. He has money to burn. If he doesn't sue, it's not because of money.

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Bc he'd lose the lawsuit.

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Im Gipper said:

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Has he sued them or just uploaded a drug test paper?

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He'll be coming for them. It's his MO.

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Is it his MO?

Who else has he sued for defamation?

Honestly, it does not seem like something he would do at all to me.

Most states have anti-SLAPP statutes that make it very difficult to sue for defamation. SLAPP is strategic lawsuits against public participation.

I sued one of the Turner companies one time for defamation for a client. It was one of those Cop shows. They showed a high-speed chase after a liquor store robbery, pit (sp?) maneuver and the guy getting out of the wreckage and being arrested. Then they splashed my client's name and picture on the screen. He went into work one day and his employer questioned him about it. Friends saw it too.

The guy in the video was clearly not the same guy. They issued a retraction (at the end of a show in the credits or whatever - no one probably saw it). It took all the damages out of the case, and we had to drop it.

aggiehawg said:

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Jack Ruby said:

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To be fair, it only takes a week or so to get the devils lettuce out of your system.

I don't know this from experience.

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Not from your hair. I know that from a good friend's experience. He was an alcoholic, sure but never did weed or at least not for twenty years. Child custody crap but he was asked to provide a hair sample, with root, for the drug test. He passed obviously but the reason given was that the hair can now be tested that identifies drug use far beyond a pee test.

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Way beyond

BASICALLY, Hair test can pick up drugs in hair that were in the system when the hair was was formed beneath the scalp. So if drugs were used on a certain day, drugs can be detected in hair that emerged from the scalp after that use. Eg 90 days in hair approx 1.5" long

Of course things vary, and I don't know if drugs can "exit" a hair strand over time, but 90 days in 1.5" hair should be detectable

Jack Ruby said:

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To be fair, it only takes a week or so to get the devils lettuce out of your system.

I don't know this from experience.

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Maybe for a relatively active person who is healthy and isn't a heavy chronic smoker. But you are not wrong, obviously um not from my personal experience.

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Old McDonald said:

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he's pretty clearly in denial about his ket problem, which is sad to see as someone with family who have gone through addiction. hope he gets the help he needs.

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I hope you have good insurance.

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Opinions, which this is, based on disclosed facts, which this also is, aren't defamatory.

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Elon May Put WSJ & NYT Out Of Business

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we should be so lucky!

Cougar11 said:

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Francis Macomber said:

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Gaeilge said:

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The WSJ & New York Times fake “journalists” lied through their teeth about me.

Now let’s see their drug test results.

They will fail. pic.twitter.com/QvLRWyHbSC

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 18, 2025

They ran a story saying he was on drugs. He's got the money and the principles to run this lawsuit to bankrupt them just out of spite. But I do believe he may have a decent defamation lawsuit here.

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No way he would win a defamation suit against them.

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he can make them pay or open their records to discovery.

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You're assuming this gets past a motion to dismiss, which it likely won't. But if it does, Musk gets to be deposed as well. Do you think he wants to go under oath saying he's never used ketamine?

why are people so convinced he does use, or used, ketamine?

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why are people so convinced he does use, or used, ketamine?

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He has discussed using it in the past

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oh no said:

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why are people so convinced he does use, or used, ketamine?

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He has discussed using it in the past

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gotcha. Thanks.

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Cougar11 said:

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Francis Macomber said:

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Gaeilge said:

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The WSJ & New York Times fake “journalists” lied through their teeth about me.

Now let’s see their drug test results.

They will fail. pic.twitter.com/QvLRWyHbSC

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 18, 2025

They ran a story saying he was on drugs. He's got the money and the principles to run this lawsuit to bankrupt them just out of spite. But I do believe he may have a decent defamation lawsuit here.

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No way he would win a defamation suit against them.

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he can make them pay or open their records to discovery.

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You're assuming this gets past a motion to dismiss, which it likely won't. But if it does, Musk gets to be deposed as well. Do you think he wants to go under oath saying he's never used ketamine?

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yes it would be worth it to him to expose those outlets, and you don't know definitively it gets dismissed. Look at Trumps lawsuit and Sandmans.

HTH

So what exactly is a proposed lawsuit here?

Is it the New York Times story above where they wrote he did drugs during the campaign?


I don't think musk is going sue anyone over this. Why would he Streisand effect it?

Musk is more likely to buy the NYT or WSJ than he is to win a defamation suit against them. What many of you don't understand is public figures have a heightened burden to prove defamation.

Gaeilge said:

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Im Gipper said:

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Has he sued them or just uploaded a drug test paper?

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Just the drug test upload. But I'd bet good money the lawsuit(s) are incoming unless they take some very action to correct and reprimand (fire) the journalists that wrote it.

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What's good money to you? I'll prob wager with you.

Bunk Moreland said:

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Gaeilge said:

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Im Gipper said:

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Has he sued them or just uploaded a drug test paper?

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Just the drug test upload. But I'd bet good money the lawsuit(s) are incoming unless they take some very action to correct and reprimand (fire) the journalists that wrote it.

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Why? He's not proving he wasn't on anything when they reported the allegations. Ketamine leaves your system same-day. Cocaine is 2-3 days I think

A drug test on June 11th isn't exactly disproving of any claim.

EDIT - just saw it was a hair follicle test. That's different and I have no idea how that works with the various drugs other than it's longer.

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I didn't read what tests were performed on Elon other than urine; however, I wish posters would cite at least a website, if not a journal article or articles when making claims about medical and forensic detection of drugs, the half life of drugs in the body and/or corpse.

The world wide web has been readily available since the mid 1990s. Look it up before posting.

First hit on a search gave me this on Ketamine:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+long+after+ketamine+is+it+detectable&atb=v314-1&t=chromentp&ia=web
"Ketamine can typically be detected in urine for about 3 to 10 days after use, depending on the dosage and frequency of use. In hair, it can be detected for several months, while blood tests can identify it for up to 24 hours."

Excerpts from a couple of journal articles on Ketamine detection in hair and urine .....

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Drug Test Anal
. 2023 Sep;15(9):971-979. doi: 10.1002/dta.3444. Epub 2023 Feb 14.
The duration of ketamine detection in hair after treatment cessation: Case study and review of the literature in forensic and clinical casework
I-A Larabi 1 2, I Etting 1, J-C Alvarez 1 2

".... While no data on ketamine disappearance from hair have been published to date, previous studies have shown that discontinuation resulted in negative hair results after 3 months for heroin, 3-4 months for cocaine and tramadol, 6 months for amphetamine and methamphetamine, and 6-7 months for THC-COOH. This study provides useful findings for ketamine hair concentration interpretation, which should be validated by more consistent and comprehensive investigations."

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J Chromatogr B Analyt Technol Biomed Life Sci
. 2008 Dec 1;876(1):137-42. doi: 10.1016/j.jchromb.2008.09.036. Epub 2008 Oct 4.
Detection of ketamine and its metabolites in urine by ultra high pressure liquid chromatography-tandem mass spectrometry
Mark C Parkin 1, Sophie C Turfus, Norman W Smith, John M Halket, Robin A Braithwaite, Simon P Elliott, M David Osselton, David A Cowan, Andrew T Kicman

"...The detection limit for ketamine and norketamine was 0.03 ng/mL and 0.05 ng/mL, respectively, and these compounds could be confirmed in urine for up to 5 and 6 days, respectively. Dehydronorketamine was confirmed up to 10 days, providing a very broad window of detection."

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Old McDonald said:

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he's pretty clearly in denial about his ket problem, which is sad to see as someone with family who have gone through addiction. hope he gets the help he needs.

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If he had used ket in the past 2 months it would show in his hair assuming his hair was 1 inch long. Just because the media says someone is on drugs doesn't make it so. I have a hard time believing someone as busy as Elon is has time for drugs or alcohol.

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It's about more than being busy. The man is crazy productive, running multiple ground-breaking companies doing crazy hard stuff. Hard to imagine he has time for any mind-altering drugs.

The dude has always been weird. I might think he was on drug if he actually started acting normal.

esteban said:

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This would have hit a lot harder if he hadn't waited two weeks to take the test. Now it just looks like he detoxed. Glad he got clean at least. Hope he keeps it up.

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It's a hair follicle test. Usually establishes 90 days clean….

Drugs

Cougar11 said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Francis Macomber said:

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Gaeilge said:

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The WSJ & New York Times fake “journalists” lied through their teeth about me.

Now let’s see their drug test results.

They will fail. pic.twitter.com/QvLRWyHbSC

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 18, 2025

They ran a story saying he was on drugs. He's got the money and the principles to run this lawsuit to bankrupt them just out of spite. But I do believe he may have a decent defamation lawsuit here.

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No way he would win a defamation suit against them.

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he can make them pay or open their records to discovery.

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You're assuming this gets past a motion to dismiss, which it likely won't. But if it does, Musk gets to be deposed as well. Do you think he wants to go under oath saying he's never used ketamine?

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yes it would be worth it to him to expose those outlets, and you don't know definitively it gets dismissed. Look at Trumps lawsuit and Sandmans.

HTH

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If someone accuses him of using ketamine, and he's admitted to using ketamine in the past, where's the lie?

He's clean and perfectly normal. He showed you the proof! DOGE forever! Fire more lazy park rangers! He saved us trillions!

SigAg6 said:

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He's clean and perfectly normal. He showed you the proof! DOGE forever! Fire more lazy park rangers! He saved us trillions!

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strange take.

why are democrats vehemently against making inefficient and ineffective government programs less wasteful and more efficient? if any democrat actually has a job and earns money and sees government take 40% of their earnings, do they really think, "please take more of my money, daddy government. you're doing such a wonderful job of using it!"? When DOGE efforts came out with the USAID grants spending millions on things like a transgender opera in Colombia and gender-affirming care in Guatemala, are democrats really happy with this wonderful use of their money?

it's like all democrats being vehemently against anti-fraud controls in our elections. An ID that proves the person voting is the person who is registered to vote, and a registration process that proves the registered voter is eligible to vote (a citizen, over 18, not a felon, still lives in that precinct, etc.)- why is that such a terrible awful racist thing they are programmed fight tooth and nail against?

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SigAg6 said:

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He's clean and perfectly normal. He showed you the proof! DOGE forever! Fire more lazy park rangers! He saved us trillions!

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strange take.

why are democrats vehemently against making inefficient and ineffective government programs less wasteful and more efficient? if any democrat actually has a job and earns money and sees government take 40% of their earnings, do they really think, "please take more of my money, daddy government. you're doing such a wonderful job of using it!"? When DOGE efforts came out with the USAID grants spending millions on things like a transgender opera in Colombia and gender-affirming care in Guatemala, are democrats really happy with this wonderful use of their money?

it's like all democrats being vehemently against anti-fraud controls in our elections. An ID that proves the person voting is the person who is registered to vote, and a registration process that proves the registered voter is eligible to vote (a citizen, over 18, not a felon, still lives in that precinct, etc.)- why is that such a terrible awful racist thing they are programmed fight tooth and nail against?

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yes! Totally agree! Good point. So much voter fraud. Stupid libs like taxes.

Gaeilge said:

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The WSJ & New York Times fake “journalists” lied through their teeth about me.

Now let’s see their drug test results.

They will fail. pic.twitter.com/QvLRWyHbSC

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 18, 2025

They ran a story saying he was on drugs. He's got the money and the principles to run this lawsuit to bankrupt them just out of spite. But I do believe he may have a decent defamation lawsuit here.

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Hope he annihilates them. He can sue them for decades and not even notice the outflow of funds. Plus….where will the papers get their stories from now since they can't just make up defamatory hit pieces?