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My grandfather tried to give away a couple of bushels of black-eyed peas he had grown, but the intended welfare recipients refused to take them because he hadn't shelled them yet.

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This is absolutely a reality.

I used to regularly volunteer with the food bank as a way of doing service after I retired but it wasn't easy to start to look differently at the recipients. We'd have 40lb bags of potatoes, onions, apples, pears, oranges in one day. People would come in and want bags of each of them. Now…..who can possibly eat 200lbx of fruit/vegetables before they go bad? They'd complain about not having meat some days, or milk, or gluten free items. Entitlement is a real thing and giving away free things to people without limits doesn't make that better.

It is ****ing bull**** to say it is too expensive to buy, cook, and eat healthy foods.

Carrots, lettuce, cabbage, jars of peanuts, bags of bananas, cuties, apples, chicken quarters, oil, poultry spice, salt, pepper, garlic, milk are all fairly cheap and you can get coupons for much of it and others can be gotten at the food bank. If she drives a bus, she has food bank pick up time. Didn't she say she was in KC? They have several and there is no reason her older 2 cannot work. Plus, she gets free food for her younger two year round.

She wants convenience. That is the problem. A 1 dollar box of pasta, 1 dollars jar, of sauce, and 2 bags of frozen veggies can feed her family for under 5 dollars. She is just lazy.

The simple thing to do would be to replace SNAP, WIC, etc. with a negative income tax. Like a flat 20% rate but everyone gets a $10,000 credit, so if you make less than $50,000 you get a check.

She's obese and supposedly working 3 jobs. I'm sorry, but if you're working 3 jobs, kudos to you, but you certainly don't need government assistance.
Why would they parade this pathetic woman up there to represent SNAP? She is literally the stereotype of what hard working conservatives think of who would be on gov assistance.

hunter2012 said:

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How bad are her financial/professional decisions if she's working 3 jobs and still needs SNAP to live?

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Safe to say she's really not working 3 jobs?

BonfireNerd04 said:

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The simple thing to do would be to replace SNAP, WIC, etc. with a negative income tax. Like a flat 20% rate but everyone gets a $10,000 credit, so if you make less than $50,000 you get a check.

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The simple thing to do is eliminate it and let them pay for themselves.

Tanya 93 said:

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It is ****ing bull**** to say it is too expensive to buy, cook, and eat healthy foods.

Carrots, lettuce, cabbage, jars of peanuts, bags of bananas, cuties, apples, chicken quarters, oil, poultry spice, salt, pepper, garlic, milk are all fairly cheap and you can get coupons for much of it and others can be gotten at the food bank. If she drives a bus, she has food bank pick up time. Didn't she say she was in KC? They have several and there is no reason her older 2 cannot work. Plus, she gets free food for her younger two year round.

She wants convenience. That is the problem. A 1 dollar box of pasta, 1 dollars jar, of sauce, and 2 bags of frozen veggies can feed her family for under 5 dollars. She is just lazy.

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This. So much this.

She has four kids that received free food, year round, for most of their lives. Why is she on SNAP? The government is already feeding her kids.

fightintxag13 said:

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Taxpayers would save a ton of money if we reigned in SNAP to only healthier foods. Sure they cost a little more money, but I'll guarantee you that this lady will cost taxpayers multitudes more money down the road with Medicaid and Medicare costs than the initial increase in food costs will.

Spend a little more on SNAP funding, and save a ton on healthcare.

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It's no necessarily spending more money, it's restricting what can be used so that only healthy whole foods can be purchased. This will take care of the rest of the issues. SNAP folk don't want celery and carrots, they want pepsi and doritoes.

hunter2012 said:

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How bad are her financial/professional decisions if she's working 3 jobs and still needs SNAP to live?

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USED to work 3 jobs. She only works 1 job now because of SNAP and gets lots of time with her kids. She doesn't want that to change. She has a 21 year old and a 17 year old as well as a 12 and 11 year old.

Everything about this story is being framed in her favor.

ts5641 said:

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fightintxag13 said:

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Taxpayers would save a ton of money if we reigned in SNAP to only healthier foods. Sure they cost a little more money, but I'll guarantee you that this lady will cost taxpayers multitudes more money down the road with Medicaid and Medicare costs than the initial increase in food costs will.

Spend a little more on SNAP funding, and save a ton on healthcare.

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It's no necessarily spending more money, it's restricting what can be used so that only healthy whole foods can be purchased. This will take care of the rest of the issues. SNAP folk don't want celery and carrots, they want pepsi and doritoes.

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You can get 2 pounds of carrots for 2 dollars

I don't like Doritos but I think those big bags are 5-6 dollars

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schmellba99 said:

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AgGrad99 said:

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I always hear people say that "eating healthy is expensive', as an excuse to eat bad.

But it's a lot cheaper to eat healthy than to buy all that pre-processed, pre-packaged crap. It's way way cheaper than eating out these days.

It just requires a little effort to prepare your food. That is the real obstacle...not the price.

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Eating healthy is more expensive than buying junk food. It also takes time to prepare it.

Now, if you want to just feed somebody - you can absolutely do it with beans, rice, etc. way cheaper. But it isn't healthy outside of not having the preservatives that your Lean Cuisine microwave dinner has.

And since we are lazy AF as a society, popping something in the microwave is the preferred method versus actually cooking. It's sad.

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If you are eating out, it is certainly expensive on average to eat healthy. If you are at the grocery store, no it's not. You act like beans and rice are the only cheap staples. Walk up and down the veggies and fruits aisle next time you're there and report back.

It is slightly annoying when you keep hearing the blanket statement of "it's more expensive to eat healthy". That's really only the case if you are eating out. People don't get that excuse in the grocery store, sorry. It may not be measurably cheaper, but it's not meaningfully more expensive.

Edit: not directed at you specifically, just that blanket narrative in general. I understand what you're saying about microwave vs cooking something but as you allude to, that's not a question of expense.

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I do it every week, thanks for playing though.

*I don't buy organic

America. The only country in the world where the poorer you are...the fatter you are.

Tanya 93 said:

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ts5641 said:

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fightintxag13 said:

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Taxpayers would save a ton of money if we reigned in SNAP to only healthier foods. Sure they cost a little more money, but I'll guarantee you that this lady will cost taxpayers multitudes more money down the road with Medicaid and Medicare costs than the initial increase in food costs will.

Spend a little more on SNAP funding, and save a ton on healthcare.

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It's no necessarily spending more money, it's restricting what can be used so that only healthy whole foods can be purchased. This will take care of the rest of the issues. SNAP folk don't want celery and carrots, they want pepsi and doritoes.

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You can get 2 pounds of carrots for 2 dollars

I don't like Doritos but I think those big bags are 5-6 dollars

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Even less for the store brands, but the point still stands that there's no excuse that people need as much money provided on SNAP to feed themselves and their children.

Give a Mexican twenty-bucks and you'll have a week's worth of the best meals you could ask for.

ETA: Sorry you're back in the hospital, Tanya. I hope you get better soon and get back home.

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Non profit food pantries don't give out money. They give out food. And people show up for it! Why can't the government do the same?

ETA I realize that giving out food instead of money is difficult and expensive to scale up, but the current system isn't great either. The flip side is that we could probably buy it at wholesale prices.

I'd also be ok with DRASTICALLY cutting back what can be bought with food stamps.

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My FIL ran the food pantry for his church. One of the thigns he did was strike up a deal with HEB, Kroger and Walmart in town that they donated meat that was about to expire for sale - they even flash froze it for them. Sounds great, right?

Well, problem is that people would show up and have food provided to them and instead of going home to cook said food - they went directly to HEB or Kroger or Walmart and returned it for money. After a while the stores pulled out of the agreement because it wasn't worth the argument to them when the "needy" came in to return the food and try to get money.

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And BigRobSA, I do understand there are some......."some" that really really need it. Sad that we have folks that take advantage of a system not meant for them.

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And if we eliminated the fraud, waste, and abuse, we could truly provide help to someone like BigRobSA's mom and family. Folks in a terrible situation that deserve assistance.

schmellba99 said:

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Jet White said:

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schmellba99 said:

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AgGrad99 said:

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I always hear people say that "eating healthy is expensive', as an excuse to eat bad.

But it's a lot cheaper to eat healthy than to buy all that pre-processed, pre-packaged crap. It's way way cheaper than eating out these days.

It just requires a little effort to prepare your food. That is the real obstacle...not the price.

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Eating healthy is more expensive than buying junk food. It also takes time to prepare it.

Now, if you want to just feed somebody - you can absolutely do it with beans, rice, etc. way cheaper. But it isn't healthy outside of not having the preservatives that your Lean Cuisine microwave dinner has.

And since we are lazy AF as a society, popping something in the microwave is the preferred method versus actually cooking. It's sad.

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If you are eating out, it is certainly expensive on average to eat healthy. If you are at the grocery store, no it's not. You act like beans and rice are the only cheap staples. Walk up and down the veggies and fruits aisle next time you're there and report back.

It is slightly annoying when you keep hearing the blanket statement of "it's more expensive to eat healthy". That's really only the case if you are eating out. People don't get that excuse in the grocery store, sorry. It may not be measurably cheaper, but it's not meaningfully more expensive.

Edit: not directed at you specifically, just that blanket narrative in general. I understand what you're saying about microwave vs cooking something but as you allude to, that's not a question of expense.

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I do it every week, thanks for playing though.

*I don't buy organic

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Then you need to write a menu with a list and find a new store.

It is not more expensive to eat healthy foods than buying bags of nothing but frozen crap and chips and cookies

Tanya 93 said:

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schmellba99 said:

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Jet White said:

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schmellba99 said:

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AgGrad99 said:

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I always hear people say that "eating healthy is expensive', as an excuse to eat bad.

But it's a lot cheaper to eat healthy than to buy all that pre-processed, pre-packaged crap. It's way way cheaper than eating out these days.

It just requires a little effort to prepare your food. That is the real obstacle...not the price.

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Eating healthy is more expensive than buying junk food. It also takes time to prepare it.

Now, if you want to just feed somebody - you can absolutely do it with beans, rice, etc. way cheaper. But it isn't healthy outside of not having the preservatives that your Lean Cuisine microwave dinner has.

And since we are lazy AF as a society, popping something in the microwave is the preferred method versus actually cooking. It's sad.

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If you are eating out, it is certainly expensive on average to eat healthy. If you are at the grocery store, no it's not. You act like beans and rice are the only cheap staples. Walk up and down the veggies and fruits aisle next time you're there and report back.

It is slightly annoying when you keep hearing the blanket statement of "it's more expensive to eat healthy". That's really only the case if you are eating out. People don't get that excuse in the grocery store, sorry. It may not be measurably cheaper, but it's not meaningfully more expensive.

Edit: not directed at you specifically, just that blanket narrative in general. I understand what you're saying about microwave vs cooking something but as you allude to, that's not a question of expense.

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I do it every week, thanks for playing though.

*I don't buy organic

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Then you need to write a menu with a list and find a new store.

It is not more expensive to eat healthy foods than buying bags of nothing but frozen crap and chips and cookies

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Yep. I started getting in a lot better shape 2-3 years ago so I just started buying a lot more stuff that isn't super processed (chicken, tuna, lean meats, eggs, rice, veggies, spices, etc.) and my grocery bills have absolutely been cheaper than when I bought more junk. And my motivation wasn't even to save money, it was simply a natural consequence of eating healthier was just cheaper. Again, if you aren't eating out.

If your grocery bill is higher buying healthier non-processed, closer to source foods than it is buying junk or pre-prepared stuff, you are doing something wrong.

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Brilliant.

Rice and beans and a little protein is plenty healthy. Feeds 90% of the world and you won't find anyone who likes like her in countries that eat that way.

https://thesavvymama.com/cheap-dinner-ideas/

ts5641 said:

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fightintxag13 said:

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Taxpayers would save a ton of money if we reigned in SNAP to only healthier foods. Sure they cost a little more money, but I'll guarantee you that this lady will cost taxpayers multitudes more money down the road with Medicaid and Medicare costs than the initial increase in food costs will.

Spend a little more on SNAP funding, and save a ton on healthcare.

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It's no necessarily spending more money, it's restricting what can be used so that only healthy whole foods can be purchased. This will take care of the rest of the issues. SNAP folk don't want celery and carrots, they want pepsi and doritoes.

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Then they aren't really that hungry.

With the amount of money spent on hair extensions, nail art, and designer clothes by many of the benefits receiving mothers in this country, it is obvious that they don't care about feeding their own kids either.

End SNAP completely. It only worked when our society had personal pride in caring for your family and felt shame in failing that task.

Return welfare to small local programs that are not beholden to the government who can screen applicants and only give food to worthy families.

TarponChaser said:

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agAngeldad said:

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SNAP should not provide for sugar-based products, candy, soft drinks, chips, etc and unhealthy food.

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I could be wrong but I don't think it does. All the stuff I can recall seeing "SNAP eligible" tags at the grocery store is stuff like milk, eggs, cheese, rice, beans, and pasta.

At least I don't think it's supposed to provide for that stuff. But then we all know money is fungible and have all witnessed somebody at the grocery store pay for stuff like the above with SNAP then pay cash for all the junk food mentioned.

It's been a long damn time but I miss @Tanya93's reposting all the screen-caps and stuff from the frugal mom's forum where some welfare queen is crying about how her Dindu doesn't like milk and only drinks Coke or how the kid won't eat oatmeal but has to have Cap'n Crunch.

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You're 100% wrong. Every food product is snap eligible that include candy sodas whatever. Simply go to any grocery store app and look. EVERYTHING is SNAP eligible. Only thing excluded is alcohol products. Wine, beer, liquor etc


The ones asking why they keep having kids is simple. More kids more benefits. SNAP is $297 per person in the home. Same with there WIC and Welfare funding. More kids more money. Also with SNAP you get a free cell phone and service. Congress set the system up to make money on the skim and people have learned to gain the system.


And that fat broad Felicia? There's no way that fat broad waffling around on a cane is working any three jobs other that sitting on her fat ass good tasting or something.

Posters on Reddit are having fits on limits on SNAP.
Apparently they don't think it is fair RFK Jr wants to ban soda when he can drink all he wants

Told them I don't think he drinks soda or eats chips or frozen pizza. Told that is unrealistic because everyone does that.

And he is just being a discriminating snob who hates the poor.

Also, Hawaiian Punch and Sunny D should be counted as juice.

doubledog said:

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LMCane said:

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only in the USA

are morbidly obese women complaining about not getting enough taxpayer funded food for their four children (with no fathers)

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Your SNAP benefits should be inversely proportional to your weight. Although I feel bad for this women's childern, she is obviously eating all of their food.

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Nah. The school feeds her kids. This is extra.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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doubledog said:

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LMCane said:

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only in the USA

are morbidly obese women complaining about not getting enough taxpayer funded food for their four children (with no fathers)

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Your SNAP benefits should be inversely proportional to your weight. Although I feel bad for this women's childern, she is obviously eating all of their food.

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Nah. The school feeds her kids. This is extra.

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Year round they get fed
While mom lives off frozen junk food and Dr Pepper

Tanya 93 said:

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Posters on Reddit are having fits on limits on SNAP.
Apparently they don't think it is fair RFK Jr wants to ban soda when he can drink all he wants

Told them I don't think he drinks soda or eats chips or frozen pizza. Told that is unrealistic because everyone does that.

And he is just being a discriminating snob who hates the poor.

Also, Hawaiian Punch and Sunny D should be counted as juice.

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What subreddit?

ME92 said:

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End SNAP completely. It only worked when our society had personal pride in caring for your family and felt shame in failing that task.

Return welfare to small local programs that are not beholden to the government who can screen applicants and only give food to worthy families.

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This is so true.

I know someone who has worked at an elementary school for 20+ years. Back in the day, the teachers would intervene when they saw a child who needed assistance with food or clothing. Call the parents, etc. All very quiet and behind the scenes.

Today, the parents -- many of them wealthy immigrants -- show up to register their kids and demand every single benefit they can get.

The 3 jobs she works are all as fast food buffet sampler jobs.
Also, she is more than one elephant in mass
Op needs to change it to plural in the the title.

oh i get the title of the thread now. This woman is the actual size of an elephant.

Backyard Gator said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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Posters on Reddit are having fits on limits on SNAP.
Apparently they don't think it is fair RFK Jr wants to ban soda when he can drink all he wants

Told them I don't think he drinks soda or eats chips or frozen pizza. Told that is unrealistic because everyone does that.

And he is just being a discriminating snob who hates the poor.

Also, Hawaiian Punch and Sunny D should be counted as juice.

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What subreddit?

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the Im a poor fat lazy slob subreddit.

EclipseAg said:

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ME92 said:

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End SNAP completely. It only worked when our society had personal pride in caring for your family and felt shame in failing that task.

Return welfare to small local programs that are not beholden to the government who can screen applicants and only give food to worthy families.

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This is so true.

I know someone who has worked at an elementary school for 20+ years. Back in the day, the teachers would intervene when they saw a child who needed assistance with food or clothing. Call the parents, etc. All very quiet and behind the scenes.

Today, the parents -- many of them wealthy immigrants -- show up to register their kids and demand every single benefit they can get.

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The schools push it pretty hard because they get more federal dollars if more kids are on reduced or free lunch. As in more $$ above the money they get for the lunches they provide.

There is NO CHECK on the free or reduced lunch program. You just fill out the form, claim your income is below whatever level and you get approved. A school can 'question' someone's application and the USDA will investigate, but the school is only allowed a few verification checks. After that, USDA won't do any more.

IIRC, a school district in GA started asking questions and USDA told them to STFU or they'll cut off all there federal funding.

EclipseAg said:

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ME92 said:

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End SNAP completely. It only worked when our society had personal pride in caring for your family and felt shame in failing that task.

Return welfare to small local programs that are not beholden to the government who can screen applicants and only give food to worthy families.

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This is so true.

I know someone who has worked at an elementary school for 20+ years. Back in the day, the teachers would intervene when they saw a child who needed assistance with food or clothing. Call the parents, etc. All very quiet and behind the scenes.

Today, the parents -- many of them wealthy immigrants -- show up to register their kids and demand every single benefit they can get.

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Parents threaten to sue now for getting involved and hiding their parenting

Had parents pissed off because I have their daughter used baby clothes that weren't fancy.

Sold those to Once Upon a Child to buy a winter coat.

agracer said:

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EclipseAg said:

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ME92 said:

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End SNAP completely. It only worked when our society had personal pride in caring for your family and felt shame in failing that task.

Return welfare to small local programs that are not beholden to the government who can screen applicants and only give food to worthy families.

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This is so true.

I know someone who has worked at an elementary school for 20+ years. Back in the day, the teachers would intervene when they saw a child who needed assistance with food or clothing. Call the parents, etc. All very quiet and behind the scenes.

Today, the parents -- many of them wealthy immigrants -- show up to register their kids and demand every single benefit they can get.

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The schools push it pretty hard because they get more federal dollars if more kids are on reduced or free lunch. As in more $$ above the money they get for the lunches they provide.

There is NO CHECK on the free or reduced lunch program. You just fill out the form, claim your income is below whatever level and you get approved. A school can 'question' someone's application and the USDA will investigate, but the school is only allowed a few verification checks. After that, USDA won't do any more.

IIRC, a school district in GA started asking questions and USDA told them to STFU or they'll cut off all there federal funding.

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Demon Spawn's account is actually filled by us.
He buys some breakfast sometimes and snacks I don't buy by the case.

Don't know if he has to pay for the Gatorade or strawberry milk though

Tanya 93 said:

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EclipseAg said:

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ME92 said:

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End SNAP completely. It only worked when our society had personal pride in caring for your family and felt shame in failing that task.

Return welfare to small local programs that are not beholden to the government who can screen applicants and only give food to worthy families.

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This is so true.

I know someone who has worked at an elementary school for 20+ years. Back in the day, the teachers would intervene when they saw a child who needed assistance with food or clothing. Call the parents, etc. All very quiet and behind the scenes.

Today, the parents -- many of them wealthy immigrants -- show up to register their kids and demand every single benefit they can get.

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Parents threaten to sue now for getting involved and criticizing their parenting

Had parents pissed off because I gave their daughter used baby clothes that weren't fancy.

Sold those to Once Upon a Child to buy a winter coat.

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hunter2012 said:

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How bad are her financial/professional decisions if she's working 3 jobs and still needs SNAP to live?

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Fun fact - food stamps weren't created to help poor people. They were created as a subsidy for food producers to create demand.

I guess it worked?