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There shouldn't be a tug boat named after that ******. Maybe a drag theater in San Francisco or library ar UT Austin, but nothing close to anything regarding the US military. The days of cowtowing to this degeneracy is over. There ain't a snowballs chance this clown would be allowed in my Country Club. America is done with this *****

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You sound like a lovely person. Nothing about your comment above shows that you have any idea of what this country is actually like outside of your Country Club safe space.

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Go name a dog after him if you are so much in favor of items named after him. You can adopt a new rescue dog and show the world your love and devotion for Harvey and what his life means to you.

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SRCag18 said:

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Harvey Milk was a member of our navy, not sure how you're supposed to get more "warrior" than that.

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Let's not pretend him being in the Navy accounted for more than 5% of the reason it was actually named after him.

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Rename it simply because Harvey lied at his military entrance screening DD Form 1966 about whether he was a homosexual or had homosexual tendencies. Never forget that all of those "stunning and brave" Generals that came out of the closet when DADT was repealed were enlisted or commissioned at a time when homosexuals were prohibited from enlistment. They knew this and lied under oath.

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But these trans individuals passed through these medical checks. Why retroactively revoke them? Why are we reducing our military membership over something that they've been medically cleared for? Yes, there are people who get denied all the time, arguably for less, but why are we kicking out those who have already cleared the job for which they signed up?

We both know there's a near limitless amount of jobs in the military that will never get deployed or see action, why can't trans individuals continue to hold these in the same way that they were before.

Should Milk have been discharged because of his sexual orientation?

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Trann… er… "gender confused" are mentally ill. The fact that single women ushered them into the military doesn't change that fact and they should be discharged. Administratively. Zero vet benefits.

I'll use radio operators as an example. Some are deployable. Some are not. When they integrated that MOS the young men got back to back to back to back deployments while the young ladies sat in state side a/c. Every concession becomes a burden for an honorable man.

To the last point: yes. Gay fatigue is real. I'm done apologizing. The UCMJ stated sodomy and adultery were illegal. He signed up. Violation = discharge.

Perhaps you don't agree that sodomy & adultery should be illegal in the military. Thats your opinion to have. But that doesn't change that it's a dumb one that reiterates the point: warfighters first.. And that includes which opinions are worth a damn on topics such as this.

SRCag18 said:

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But these trans individuals passed through these medical checks. Why retroactively revoke them? Why are we reducing our military membership over something that they've been medically cleared for? Yes, there are people who get denied all the time, arguably for less, but why are we kicking out those who have already cleared the job for which they signed up?

We both know there's a near limitless amount of jobs in the military that will never get deployed or see action, why can't trans individuals continue to hold these in the same way that they were before.

Should Milk have been discharged because of his sexual orientation?

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But they didn't. MOD17 specifically limits deployability of trans individuals to CENTCOM.

And every single job in the military needs to be deployable. If you can't deploy you need to get out. Period. In addition, you aren't just for keeping them in, you always want to allow them in. Which is insanity. You don't let people in that arleady have deployabilty issues. It's lunacy.

While I think this is a colossal waste of money and time I will say this. This situation was avoidable by not naming the ship after him in the first place. It was a stupid decision. Hull names matter. Sailors are proud of their ships. I was on a boat for four years named after a state. I got the ship name and hull number tattooed along with my dolphins. And there's a rivalry among ships of the same class. We flew a Georgia Bulldogs flag off our ship as the others like the Michigan and the Alabama did with theirs. It instills a sense of pride. Nobody wants to wear a cover that says "USS Harvey Milk" on it. It's embarrassing. Should these things matter? Probably not. Do they? Absolutely. I always say "Play for a losing team, develop a loser attitude." There is no reason to name a ship something like this to virtue signal to the point where it could have a negative effect on crew morale.

Thousands?

Was milk the one with a teenage boyfriend?

Yes, he did. 16 year old boyfriend while he was 33.

It's according to randy shilts biography.

Why do we have a ship named after a pedo?

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Yeah quite literally the only information I can find on that is on X, which contains no more truth than any other social media website.

I really would love a bettpedophile?

urce for this information. The only things I can find cite that he was discharged due to his sexual orientation--absolutely nothing about a relationship with a 16-year old.

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Within a few weeks, McKinley moved into Harvey Milk's Upper West Side apartment. They bought a dog they named Trick, a cat they called Trade, and settled into a middle-class domestic marriage. At thirty-three, Milk was launching a new life, though he could hardly have imagined the unlikely direction toward which his new lover would pull him.

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McKinley was 16, according the the biography

https://archive.org/details/mayorofcastrostr0000shil_l7q5/page/n19/mode/1up?q=McKinley

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It is ironic that folks on this board spend so much time bemoaning the debt and government spending, but think we should spend money renaming ships.
I love that the referenced tweet above has the secretary of defense talking about "wasteful spending" when this is literally a prime example of that.

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Yet you're silent until you can make yourself appear virtuous at the expense of others. But sure, accuse the right of hypocrisy if that makes you feel smart and enlightened.

SRCag18 said:

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Harvey Milk was a member of our navy, not sure how you're supposed to get more "warrior" than that.

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He was also a pedophile

cslifer said:

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It is ironic that folks on this board spend so much time bemoaning the debt and government spending, but think we should spend money renaming ships.
I love that the referenced tweet above has the secretary of defense talking about "wasteful spending" when this is literally a prime example of that.

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This post is the prime example of why ships need names of military men and women who were responsible for extraordinary action or duty. It is absolutely worth the cost.

Harvey Milk did not deserve to have a ship named after him.

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we need to name military vessels after warriors
like the uss patton would be a great name

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Sarawak

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HMS Sarawak (K591) was a Colony-class frigate of the United Kingdom that served during World War II. She originally was ordered by the United States Navy as the Tacoma-class patrol frigate USS Patton (PF-87) and was transferred to the Royal Navy prior to completion.

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There also appears to have been one in Star Trek somewhere.

CanyonAg77 said:

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That's a lot of words to say "Canyon was right."

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I didn't figure he'd answer you. He can't.

SRCag18 said:

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Hang on hang on hang on.

That's your source?! This website? Are you actually serious?

And the source within the article is another article on the same website! That's no source at all LMAO

A website created by one man whose purpose is to "[combat] the efforts of the radical left and its Islamist allies to destroy American values and disarm this country as it attempts to defend itself in a time of terror."

This isn't journalism and it is far from anything credible. I mean c'mon man, I'm sad for you here.

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You were being so emotional and entertaining this morning that I had to come back and check in.

So many "I'm sad for you" and "I'm embarrassed for you" comments. You argue like an emotional teenage girl.

Your comment above is gold.

God, you must hate the fact that mainstream/propaganda/DEI media doesn't have a stranglehold on information anymore.

Just because they don't report, it doesn't mean it's not out there and true.

If I cared I would be so "saddened and embarrassed for you"

You are right, I cannot find where I logged into texags and ranted against the renaming of bases. That obviously means I cannot have an opinion on this matter. He got me.

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Harvey Milk was a member of our navy, not sure how you're supposed to get more "warrior" than that.

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I was wondering which one of the Village People he was.

If we are just naming ships after people just because they served, there was a fat girl in the mail room in Diego Garcia who may as well have one named after her. I mean, she's a warrior after all, right?

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While I think this is a colossal waste of money and time I will say this. This situation was avoidable by not naming the ship after him in the first place. It was a stupid decision. Hull names matter. Sailors are proud of their ships. I was on a boat for four years named after a state. I got the ship name and hull number tattooed along with my dolphins. And there's a rivalry among ships of the same class. We flew a Georgia Bulldogs flag off our ship as the others like the Michigan and the Alabama did with theirs. It instills a sense of pride. Nobody wants to wear a cover that says "USS Harvey Milk" on it. It's embarrassing. Should these things matter? Probably not. Do they? Absolutely. I always say "Play for a losing team, develop a loser attitude." There is no reason to name a ship something like this to virtue signal to the point where it could have a negative effect on crew morale.

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Is that really an issue here? Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a USNS which means a civilian crew right?

Depends. I spent 3 months on the USNS Mercy in a joint service role for an army medcom mission. Lots of other military on it as well in various roles.

Who?mikejones! said:

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Was milk the one with a teenage boyfriend?

Yes, he did. 16 year old boyfriend while he was 33.

It's according to randy shilts biography.

Why do we have a ship named after a pedo?

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If we want to erase all pedophiles from any military recognition should Douglas MacArthur get zapped from recognition at West Point and other memorials? Guy had a 16-year old mistress relocated from Philippines to live with him in Washington DC when he was 50 years old and Chief of Staff of the Army. The girl ended up committing suicide later in life.

Of course, way back before internet and 24-7 News coverage. I doubt he could have gotten away with that today. Word is Eisenhower who was on MacAuthur's staff as a young staff officer knew about it and was one of several reasons why Ike detested him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Cooper

Pumpkinhead said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Was milk the one with a teenage boyfriend?

Yes, he did. 16 year old boyfriend while he was 33.

It's according to randy shilts biography.

Why do we have a ship named after a pedo?

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If we want to erase all pedophiles from any military recognition should Douglas MacArthur get zapped from recognition at West Point and other memorials? Guy had a 16-year old mistress relocated from Philippines to live with him in Washington DC when he was 50 years old and Chief of Staff of the Army. The girl ended up committing suicide later in life.

Of course, way back before internet and 24-7 News coverage. I doubt he could have gotten away with that today. Word is Eisenhower who was on MacAuthur's staff as a young staff officer knew about it and was one of several reasons why Ike detested him.

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Believe she was 18 not 16

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Was milk the one with a teenage boyfriend?

Yes, he did. 16 year old boyfriend while he was 33.

It's according to randy shilts biography.

Why do we have a ship named after a pedo?

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If we want to erase all pedophiles from any military recognition should Douglas MacArthur get zapped from recognition at West Point and other memorials? Guy had a 16-year old mistress relocated from Philippines to live with him in Washington DC when he was 50 years old and Chief of Staff of the Army. The girl ended up committing suicide later in life.

Of course, way back before internet and 24-7 News coverage. I doubt he could have gotten away with that today. Word is Eisenhower who was on MacAuthur's staff as a young staff officer knew about it and was one of several reasons why Ike detested him.

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was hooking up with a 16 year old at the time in the Philippines considered pedophilia doubtful. Also, Milk doesn't have even an iota the military career MacArthur had.

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It was absolutely a scandal back then and MacArthur went to great lengths to keep the relationship hidden because he knew it would destroy his career.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Cooper

Pumpkinhead said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Was milk the one with a teenage boyfriend?

Yes, he did. 16 year old boyfriend while he was 33.

It's according to randy shilts biography.

Why do we have a ship named after a pedo?

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If we want to erase all pedophiles from any military recognition should Douglas MacArthur get zapped from recognition at West Point and other memorials? Guy had a 16-year old mistress relocated from Philippines to live with him in Washington DC when he was 50 years old and Chief of Staff of the Army. The girl ended up committing suicide later in life.

Of course, way back before internet and 24-7 News coverage. I doubt he could have gotten away with that today. Word is Eisenhower who was on MacAuthur's staff as a young staff officer knew about it and was one of several reasons why Ike detested him.

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was hooking up with a 16 year old at the time in the Philippines considered pedophilia doubtful. Also, Milk doesn't have even an iota the military career MacArthur had.

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It was absolutely a scandal back then and MacArthur went to great lengths to keep the relationship discrete because he knew it would destroy his career.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Cooper

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most records show her not to be 16

Cougar11 said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Was milk the one with a teenage boyfriend?

Yes, he did. 16 year old boyfriend while he was 33.

It's according to randy shilts biography.

Why do we have a ship named after a pedo?

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If we want to erase all pedophiles from any military recognition should Douglas MacArthur get zapped from recognition at West Point and other memorials? Guy had a 16-year old mistress relocated from Philippines to live with him in Washington DC when he was 50 years old and Chief of Staff of the Army. The girl ended up committing suicide later in life.

Of course, way back before internet and 24-7 News coverage. I doubt he could have gotten away with that today. Word is Eisenhower who was on MacAuthur's staff as a young staff officer knew about it and was one of several reasons why Ike detested him.

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was hooking up with a 16 year old at the time in the Philippines considered pedophilia doubtful. Also, Milk doesn't have even an iota the military career MacArthur had.

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It was absolutely a scandal back then and MacArthur went to great lengths to keep the relationship discrete because he knew it would destroy his career.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Cooper

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most records show her not to be 16

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16 years old when started the relationship in 1930. Mac was 50 years old at that time. Then he later brought her to DC with him. I know tangent topic to this thread, and much different case, but saw pedophile mentioned and military related recognition and it reminded me of this infamous case where sometimes a military legend has had some very distasteful warts that were covered up to protect an image.

https://www.philstar.com/entertainment/2017/11/11/1757904/colorful-tragic-life-dimples-cooper/amp/

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Depends. I spent 3 months on the USNS Mercy in a joint service role for an army medcom mission. Lots of other military on it as well in various roles.

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That's a special case. The vast vast VAST majority of personnel on a USNS ship are civilian. Most only get navy detachments if they are in 5th fleet and then it's just security. The salvage ships will have a diver attachment as well. And while the mercy has navy personnel, they do not operate the ship.

Why would you remove Milk's name from the ship? Because he is gay? So is the navy.

army01 said:

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Why would you remove Milk's name from the ship? Because he is gay? So is the navy.

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Grunt username checks out.

Pumpkinhead said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Was milk the one with a teenage boyfriend?

Yes, he did. 16 year old boyfriend while he was 33.

It's according to randy shilts biography.

Why do we have a ship named after a pedo?

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If we want to erase all pedophiles from any military recognition should Douglas MacArthur get zapped from recognition at West Point and other memorials? Guy had a 16-year old mistress relocated from Philippines to live with him in Washington DC when he was 50 years old and Chief of Staff of the Army. The girl ended up committing suicide later in life.

Of course, way back before internet and 24-7 News coverage. I doubt he could have gotten away with that today. Word is Eisenhower who was on MacAuthur's staff as a young staff officer knew about it and was one of several reasons why Ike detested him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Cooper

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If he diddled a minor, I don't think we should promote him. It appears it's in question.

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Harvey Milk was a member of our navy, not sure how you're supposed to get more "warrior" than that.

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He was also a pedophile

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Technically, no.

The other names of the John Lewis class replenishment oilers

John Lewis
Earl Warrren
Robert F Kennedy
Lucy Stone
Sojourner Truth
Thurgood Marshall
Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Harriet Tubman
Delores Huerta

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And here we go with the whataboutisms and goal post moving. For the record I think the renaming of anything is a ridiculous waste of government money. That includes changing names back. It is really simple, if you want to talk about being fiscally conservative and cutting wasteful spending, great, but actually walk the walk.
How many man hours and dollars are going into this? Quite a bit of both I am sure. All that time, effort and money could be going into literally anything useful for our country, but sadly people are too worried about stupid culture war crap to actually get real things done.

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Renaming ships named after social justice warriors to names of respected military men or commanders-in-chief is a marketing expense related to recruiting. To argue against that is to be obtuse, or to have zero understanding of the psyche of the type of men that we want in our fighting forces, take your pick.

Is it OK for the military to spend marketing $'s on recruiting?

army01 said:

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Why would you remove Milk's name from the ship? Because he is gay? So is the navy.

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User name checks out

BarnacleBill said:

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army01 said:

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Why would you remove Milk's name from the ship? Because he is gay? So is the navy.

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User name checks out

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Likewise

The word Milk should not be on a warship. Don't give a crap about the rest of it.

SRCag18 said:

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But these trans individuals passed through these medical checks. Why retroactively revoke them? Why are we reducing our military membership over something that they've been medically cleared for? Yes, there are people who get denied all the time, arguably for less, but why are we kicking out those who have already cleared the job for which they signed up?

We both know there's a near limitless amount of jobs in the military that will never get deployed or see action, why can't trans individuals continue to hold these in the same way that they were before.

Should Milk have been discharged because of his sexual orientation?

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The rules in the UCMJ AT THE TIME stated homosexuality was not allowed. He was homosexual. Therefore, he was in violation of the UCMJ.

Of course he should have been discharged for being in violation of the UCMJ.



Now, whether homosexuality SHOULD have been disallowed is a different argument.