Common sense solution to Texas property taxes

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ATM9000
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Burdizzo said:

Science Denier said:

AggieKatie2 said:

I like the idea of a land tax vs property tax.

I can understand taxing land within a state.

I can't understand taxing the value of the house on the land that I paid to build and paid state sales tax on each piece of wood, nail, brick, wire, etc in it.

Basically the state is saying, hey thanks for improving the land, here's your annual bill based our arbitrary determination of what it's worth.




They will raise the value of land to make up any difference. It's the same thing.

Get rid of property tax and go with just a consumption tax. Everything is already in place and states will save a ton on the whole property tax apparatus.


Property tax is a consumption tax on large or luxurious real estate. If you don't like paying tax on an expensive home, live in a lesser home. If you don't like paying tax on unrealized gain, buy Berkshire Hathaway stock.


Property tax is a wealth tax, not a consumption tax.
Over_ed
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California policies really are anti-housing. I lke Texas 65 homestead cap; it seems to me a good compromise.

I would like to see a higher tax rate for large corps (say owning greater than 20 houses) though. Thiey end up being a chief cause of housing inflation. I admit this is somewhat anti free enterprise, but blackrock et al are worth opposing, even at the cost of my principles.
Science Denier
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Burdizzo said:

Science Denier said:

AggieKatie2 said:

I like the idea of a land tax vs property tax.

I can understand taxing land within a state.

I can't understand taxing the value of the house on the land that I paid to build and paid state sales tax on each piece of wood, nail, brick, wire, etc in it.

Basically the state is saying, hey thanks for improving the land, here's your annual bill based our arbitrary determination of what it's worth.




They will raise the value of land to make up any difference. It's the same thing.

Get rid of property tax and go with just a consumption tax. Everything is already in place and states will save a ton on the whole property tax apparatus.


Property tax is a consumption tax on large or luxurious real estate. If you don't like paying tax on an expensive home, live in a lesser home. If you don't like paying tax on unrealized gain, buy Berkshire Hathaway stock.
How about I just pay tax when I buy something. Not a tax every year on something I already paid taxes for.

Property tax is NOT a consumption tax.
Catag94
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Here are some more common sense changes that should happen:

1) Get rid of "Roll back taxes". If a property is Ag exempt, then sells and new buyer removes the exemption, there should be no roll back taxes collected. This is just BS.

2) Eliminate roll backs for property improves not rendered. The appraisal district has every right to inspect a property for improvements. Some even use drones etc. if we only get a month or two to dispute appraised values, why does the government get to go back for years to capture taxes on values they didn't take the time to discover, once they do become aware of them?

Scruffy
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Or......
How about we actually get to own property and not have to pay the king, landed gentry, or others for the use and right?
The fact one must pay a fee or their property gets taken from them is un American and goes against the founding principles of our country.

Find other ways to fund k-12 daycare and propaganda.
Find other ways to fund "emergency" services.
SunrayAg
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End property taxes and make parents pay to send their kids to school…

When you have money invested, you take it more seriously. Right now public schools are nothing more than a taxpayer funded babysitting service.

Also then the taxpayers of Texas wouldn't be footing the bill to educate millions of kids who do not have a legal right to be here…
ts5641
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You're expecting common sense from our legislature? Good luck with all that.
Burdizzo
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ATM9000 said:

Burdizzo said:

Science Denier said:

AggieKatie2 said:

I like the idea of a land tax vs property tax.

I can understand taxing land within a state.

I can't understand taxing the value of the house on the land that I paid to build and paid state sales tax on each piece of wood, nail, brick, wire, etc in it.

Basically the state is saying, hey thanks for improving the land, here's your annual bill based our arbitrary determination of what it's worth.




They will raise the value of land to make up any difference. It's the same thing.

Get rid of property tax and go with just a consumption tax. Everything is already in place and states will save a ton on the whole property tax apparatus.


Property tax is a consumption tax on large or luxurious real estate. If you don't like paying tax on an expensive home, live in a lesser home. If you don't like paying tax on unrealized gain, buy Berkshire Hathaway stock.


Property tax is a wealth tax, not a consumption tax.



A person can be wealthy without living in an expensive home. Hard to believe.

Home ownership is not the only mechanism for building and storing wealth. We need to get over this Fannie Mae outlook.
AggieKatie2
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We beat both tech and the sips this year. Demolished the sips.

Drives me crazy we spit the bit in regionals and are having to even have this discussion.
Burdizzo
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AggieKatie2 said:

We beat both tech and the sips this year. Demolished the sips.

Drives me crazy we spit the bit in regionals and are having to even have this discussion.



Ever have that problem on Texags where you think you're replying to one thread, but for some reason it shows up in a completely unrelated thread? I have.
AggieKatie2
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Dammit
Logos Stick
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For the olds, here is the solution: if you have no kids, or don't care about leaving them anything, apply for deferral every year and pay no property taxes. That's what I would do.
ATM9000
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Burdizzo said:

ATM9000 said:

Burdizzo said:

Science Denier said:

AggieKatie2 said:

I like the idea of a land tax vs property tax.

I can understand taxing land within a state.

I can't understand taxing the value of the house on the land that I paid to build and paid state sales tax on each piece of wood, nail, brick, wire, etc in it.

Basically the state is saying, hey thanks for improving the land, here's your annual bill based our arbitrary determination of what it's worth.




They will raise the value of land to make up any difference. It's the same thing.

Get rid of property tax and go with just a consumption tax. Everything is already in place and states will save a ton on the whole property tax apparatus.


Property tax is a consumption tax on large or luxurious real estate. If you don't like paying tax on an expensive home, live in a lesser home. If you don't like paying tax on unrealized gain, buy Berkshire Hathaway stock.


Property tax is a wealth tax, not a consumption tax.



A person can be wealthy without living in an expensive home. Hard to believe.

Home ownership is not the only mechanism for building and storing wealth. We need to get over this Fannie Mae outlook.


Still a wealth tax. Not a consumption tax.
Husky Boy Jr.
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A more sensible and equitable solution to lowering property taxes is implementing a combination of a state income tax and an increased sales tax, but that will never happen.
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SunrayAg said:

End property taxes and make parents pay to send their kids to school…

When you have money invested, you take it more seriously. Right now public schools are nothing more than a taxpayer funded babysitting service.

Also then the taxpayers of Texas wouldn't be footing the bill to educate millions of kids who do not have a legal right to be here…
And are two examples of how said taxes paid are used whether one has children in K-12 or not...



Science Denier
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Burdizzo said:

ATM9000 said:

Burdizzo said:

Science Denier said:

AggieKatie2 said:

I like the idea of a land tax vs property tax.

I can understand taxing land within a state.

I can't understand taxing the value of the house on the land that I paid to build and paid state sales tax on each piece of wood, nail, brick, wire, etc in it.

Basically the state is saying, hey thanks for improving the land, here's your annual bill based our arbitrary determination of what it's worth.


They will raise the value of land to make up any difference. It's the same thing.

Get rid of property tax and go with just a consumption tax. Everything is already in place and states will save a ton on the whole property tax apparatus.
Property tax is a consumption tax on large or luxurious real estate. If you don't like paying tax on an expensive home, live in a lesser home. If you don't like paying tax on unrealized gain, buy Berkshire Hathaway stock.
Property tax is a wealth tax, not a consumption tax.
A person can be wealthy without living in an expensive home. Hard to believe.

Home ownership is not the only mechanism for building and storing wealth. We need to get over this Fannie Mae outlook.
What does my choice in home have to do with property tax being a wealth tax?

I get libs want to try to lower successful people by hammering them with insane taxes. That has been their main theme for as long as I've been alive.
- well, you can afford huge taxes
- why do you need all that
- why do you need to live in a big house
- bla, bla, bla

Property tax is a recurring tax on the wealth you have. Consumption taxes are paid when you buy something and you are not taxed after the initial purchase. Property taxes are paid even after you've already paid tax. And, when your value goes up, you pay more. That is THE definition of wealth tax.
Stive
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Both of those were approved by a majority of the local voters in an election.

Don't like your neighbors choices, move elsewhere. Crazy how that freedom works.
BSME83
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But the bond elections are scheduled for a random weekend with 5% voter turnout after the school district encourages all of their employees to vote.
Make bond elections require over 50% approval of all registered voters in the district, or at least require their elections to have over 50% turnout.
Stive
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Your local voters don't care enough to show up and vote but that's somehow the school district's fault? Perfect.

Maybe put some effort into getting out the vote for/against district projects, school board elections, city council elections, etc, and you'll get your way.
10Aggie10
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Seamaster said:

Instead, how about this:

The taxable value of the house never changes. It's based on the actual sales price for perpetuity until sold again.

Problem solved.

You're welcome.


This is what California did and has. Congratulations, you can get elected as a politician in Commie land

Yet another person trying to californicate my Texas
Deerdude
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I just love the appraisal district. Our neighbor home appraised at 2.8 mil just sold for 1.5 mil or nearly half of appraisal and the district is arguing with them about value. I thought value was what a willing seller and a willing buyer agree that value is.
St any rate, it should be worth a reduction iin tax foe the rest of us lowly peons nearby.
Seamaster
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10Aggie10 said:

Seamaster said:

Instead, how about this:

The taxable value of the house never changes. It's based on the actual sales price for perpetuity until sold again.

Problem solved.

You're welcome.


This is what California did and has. Congratulations, you can get elected as a politician in Commie land

Yet another person trying to californicate my Texas


And how exactly is this a problem? Or unfair? It seems a lot more fair than what we have going on.
Burdizzo
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ATM9000 said:

Burdizzo said:

ATM9000 said:

Burdizzo said:

Science Denier said:

AggieKatie2 said:

I like the idea of a land tax vs property tax.

I can understand taxing land within a state.

I can't understand taxing the value of the house on the land that I paid to build and paid state sales tax on each piece of wood, nail, brick, wire, etc in it.

Basically the state is saying, hey thanks for improving the land, here's your annual bill based our arbitrary determination of what it's worth.




They will raise the value of land to make up any difference. It's the same thing.

Get rid of property tax and go with just a consumption tax. Everything is already in place and states will save a ton on the whole property tax apparatus.


Property tax is a consumption tax on large or luxurious real estate. If you don't like paying tax on an expensive home, live in a lesser home. If you don't like paying tax on unrealized gain, buy Berkshire Hathaway stock.


Property tax is a wealth tax, not a consumption tax.



A person can be wealthy without living in an expensive home. Hard to believe.

Home ownership is not the only mechanism for building and storing wealth. We need to get over this Fannie Mae outlook.


Still a wealth tax. Not a consumption tax.


Try building a home entertainment center inside a mutual fund.
Science Denier
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Burdizzo said:

ATM9000 said:

Burdizzo said:

ATM9000 said:

Burdizzo said:

Science Denier said:

AggieKatie2 said:

I like the idea of a land tax vs property tax.

I can understand taxing land within a state.

I can't understand taxing the value of the house on the land that I paid to build and paid state sales tax on each piece of wood, nail, brick, wire, etc in it.

Basically the state is saying, hey thanks for improving the land, here's your annual bill based our arbitrary determination of what it's worth.




They will raise the value of land to make up any difference. It's the same thing.

Get rid of property tax and go with just a consumption tax. Everything is already in place and states will save a ton on the whole property tax apparatus.


Property tax is a consumption tax on large or luxurious real estate. If you don't like paying tax on an expensive home, live in a lesser home. If you don't like paying tax on unrealized gain, buy Berkshire Hathaway stock.


Property tax is a wealth tax, not a consumption tax.



A person can be wealthy without living in an expensive home. Hard to believe.

Home ownership is not the only mechanism for building and storing wealth. We need to get over this Fannie Mae outlook.


Still a wealth tax. Not a consumption tax.


Try building a home entertainment center inside a mutual fund.
LOL
ATM9000
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Burdizzo said:

ATM9000 said:

Burdizzo said:

ATM9000 said:

Burdizzo said:

Science Denier said:

AggieKatie2 said:

I like the idea of a land tax vs property tax.

I can understand taxing land within a state.

I can't understand taxing the value of the house on the land that I paid to build and paid state sales tax on each piece of wood, nail, brick, wire, etc in it.

Basically the state is saying, hey thanks for improving the land, here's your annual bill based our arbitrary determination of what it's worth.




They will raise the value of land to make up any difference. It's the same thing.

Get rid of property tax and go with just a consumption tax. Everything is already in place and states will save a ton on the whole property tax apparatus.


Property tax is a consumption tax on large or luxurious real estate. If you don't like paying tax on an expensive home, live in a lesser home. If you don't like paying tax on unrealized gain, buy Berkshire Hathaway stock.


Property tax is a wealth tax, not a consumption tax.



A person can be wealthy without living in an expensive home. Hard to believe.

Home ownership is not the only mechanism for building and storing wealth. We need to get over this Fannie Mae outlook.


Still a wealth tax. Not a consumption tax.


Try building a home entertainment center inside a mutual fund.


Still a wealth tax. Not a consumption tax.
Butcher of Bakersfield
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Property taxes are a ridiculous injustice. None of us will ever truly own our properties that we broke our backs for and that is MAJOR BS. We're all basically glorified renters. State/local sales/consumption tax or gtfo.

That is the only truly "fair" method of taxation. That should replace the federal income tax too as far as I am concerned. The wealthy will naturally pay their "fair share" as they buy/consume way more. No more super wealthy being able to avoid federal taxes either. EVERYONE WILL PAY TAXES...billionaires and welfare queens.
JamesPShelley
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Seamaster said:

10Aggie10 said:

Seamaster said:

Instead, how about this:

The taxable value of the house never changes. It's based on the actual sales price for perpetuity until sold again.

Problem solved.

You're welcome.


This is what California did and has. Congratulations, you can get elected as a politician in Commie land

Yet another person trying to californicate my Texas


And how exactly is this a problem? Or unfair? It seems a lot more fair than what we have going on.
It's not a problem, for reasonable people. However, libs are too lazy to Google "Howard Jarvis".

Last year my dad was complaining that his home assessed at $100K more than the previous year. I let him compain, then reminded him he's a liberal... and he voted for it. Silence.
dmart90
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BSME83 said:

But the bond elections are scheduled for a random weekend with 5% voter turnout after the school district encourages all of their employees to vote.
Make bond elections require over 50% approval of all registered voters in the district, or at least require their elections to have over 50% turnout.

We don't get 50% turnout for presidential elections...
schmellba99
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Sumlins Pool Guy said:

Change homestead exemption to a percentage and make it fixed for whole time of ownership. Should know what you're paying every year as long as you don't move.

Need to drastically change the Ag exemption. Millions of acres in Texas are taxed like they're family farms when in reality they're recreational properties that let the neighbors run cows on them.

Will increase rural communities revenue and we can end Robin Hood.

Bottom line is Perry - Abbot have done zero to reduce the scope of the state government and budget over the last 20 years. The Texas GOP has basically no opposition and has failed to make this a low tax state
You think seeing pastures and farm fields being turned into subdivisions is bad now? Implement this and it will be what it is currently on steroids as landowners do everything possible to dump their land. Which corporations and developers will gladly buy.

Tax abatements need to go away, across the board, for every entity. I despise them.

Also, change how the government budgeting process works. Incentivize saving money instead of penalizing a department for being fiscally responsible. Government should only own the land it actually uses, not land it sits on for 20 or 30 years doing nothing with simply because they don't want somebody else owning it.

Change how the language for bonds, tax increases, etc. is presented. The slight of hand used by every single entity is criminal IMO. It should be plain english that even a 3rd grader can understand easily and quickly versus the word salad crap most ballot proposals are.

Quit taxing me on something I have already bought year in and year out under the threat of confiscating my property. Your house is the only thing you buy that you pay sales tax on yearly and you don't know what your sales tax will be from one year to the next. Our entire tax system needs to be burned to the ground, its ashes pissed and crapped on, then thrown in a bottomless pit for all of eternity.
schmellba99
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Burdizzo said:

Science Denier said:

AggieKatie2 said:

I like the idea of a land tax vs property tax.

I can understand taxing land within a state.

I can't understand taxing the value of the house on the land that I paid to build and paid state sales tax on each piece of wood, nail, brick, wire, etc in it.

Basically the state is saying, hey thanks for improving the land, here's your annual bill based our arbitrary determination of what it's worth.




They will raise the value of land to make up any difference. It's the same thing.

Get rid of property tax and go with just a consumption tax. Everything is already in place and states will save a ton on the whole property tax apparatus.


Property tax is a consumption tax on large or luxurious real estate. If you don't like paying tax on an expensive home, live in a lesser home. If you don't like paying tax on unrealized gain, buy Berkshire Hathaway stock.
This is just a dumb, dumb, dumb mentality
Sid Farkas
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JamesPShelley said:

Seamaster said:

10Aggie10 said:

Seamaster said:

Instead, how about this:

The taxable value of the house never changes. It's based on the actual sales price for perpetuity until sold again.

Problem solved.

You're welcome.


This is what California did and has. Congratulations, you can get elected as a politician in Commie land

Yet another person trying to californicate my Texas


And how exactly is this a problem? Or unfair? It seems a lot more fair than what we have going on.
It's not a problem, for reasonable people. However, libs are too lazy to Google "Howard Jarvis".

Last year my dad was complaining that his home assessed at $100K more than the previous year. I let him compain, then reminded him he's a liberal... and he voted for it. Silence.


California retiree here. I'd feel forced to leave if we had Texas style reassessments/recalculations. Give California a break on this one. We have a superior personal property tax system.

That said, vigilance is the key. The govt leviathan in Sacdo is forever seeking ways to subvert it.
schmellba99
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Martin Cash said:

Seamaster said:

Instead, how about this:

The taxable value of the house never changes. It's based on the actual sales price for perpetuity until sold again.

Problem solved.

You're welcome.
Brilliant. Older couples who are doing well financially pay very little tax on a house they bought 30 years ago, while a young couple just starting out pay three times as much on a house of equal (or lesser) value.

I think not.
Why is this system perfectly acceptable for literally every single thing you buy, but somehow with a home it is a terrible and totally unfair system?

I mean, an older couple could have bought Apple stock back in the 80's for next to nothing and sat on it while a person just turning 20 now would have to pay significantly more for that same stock. Are you claiming that is unfair?

The older couple in your example also didn't constantly sell their house to upgrade, instead they stayed in it over the long haul and made smart decisions.

This whole idea that young folks should pay the same as older folks did 40 years ago is just stupid.
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10Aggie10 said:

Seamaster said:

Instead, how about this:

The taxable value of the house never changes. It's based on the actual sales price for perpetuity until sold again.

Problem solved.

You're welcome.


This is what California did and has. Congratulations, you can get elected as a politician in Commie land

Yet another person trying to californicate my Texas


Provide reasons why you disagree.

This whole "somebody I hate does this so it's automatically bad without explanation" is the reason why this country is basically pulled around by the most annoying fringes of each side.
Burdizzo
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schmellba99 said:

Burdizzo said:

Science Denier said:

AggieKatie2 said:

I like the idea of a land tax vs property tax.

I can understand taxing land within a state.

I can't understand taxing the value of the house on the land that I paid to build and paid state sales tax on each piece of wood, nail, brick, wire, etc in it.

Basically the state is saying, hey thanks for improving the land, here's your annual bill based our arbitrary determination of what it's worth.




They will raise the value of land to make up any difference. It's the same thing.

Get rid of property tax and go with just a consumption tax. Everything is already in place and states will save a ton on the whole property tax apparatus.


Property tax is a consumption tax on large or luxurious real estate. If you don't like paying tax on an expensive home, live in a lesser home. If you don't like paying tax on unrealized gain, buy Berkshire Hathaway stock.
This is just a dumb, dumb, dumb mentality



At the end of the day, most men just need a place to scratch their own balls in private. They buy big houses to impress their wives and friends, keep their kids from associating with riffraff, and watch TV.

As Chris Rock said, "If it weren't for women, most men would be fine living in a cardboard box "
schmellba99
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Maybe. But it doesn't change the fact that the whole "just move to somewhere smaller" mentality is fcking stupid.

Instead of actually addressing the issue, you point at the victim and tell them its their fault. I cannot fathom this line of thinking.
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