This guy sounds like a pvssy with low t. I'm being incredibly seriously too. I can't believe you're championing this crap on here. This clown is talking about being tired. LOL who isn't tired? Some of us have jobs, two kids under 5, a new business, whatever. But you know what? I keep showing up everyday. I'll be tired when I'm dead with my grandkids and kids next to my bed.

As the post says, I can barely manage any additional responsibility beyond my job, which keeps me chained to my desk 90 hours a week. My stuff is still on the floor from when I moved in in NOVEMBER. I did try to start a lasting relationship last year, and it failed for several reasons, most of which is that I am tired. Some of these people are suggesting that I'm "not trying hard enough." I have tried the first 25 things you can think of twice, and I didn't stop there. The only things that consistently help are time and caffeine. Let me be tired.

Hard work, personal responsibility, individual initiative and good old fashioned stick-to-itiveness constitute the golden road to success. Some things are timeless.

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If you're a 40-something white male that hasn't achieved success, you have no one to blame but yourself.

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Define success?

A certain salary amount?

A certain title? If title, would that be VP, Director, Project Manager, or some other level? Which level is success?

This is way to ambiguous of a statement.

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You define your own success.

But I will say simply as a baseline if you are in your 40s and don't have a job title you like making a salary that would keep any one not concerned with keeping up with the Jones living decently (100K+) then it's because of choices you made, not society holding you back.

The amount of opportunity the last 20 years for anyone with an internet connection has been INSANE.

Number 1 is be able to provide and support yourself. Do not be a burden or drain on others or in society.

Maintain your health, learn a skill, and serve people who need that skill.

The world is competitive and always has been, so learn to compete. The easiest way to do that today is to not be distracted. Distraction has invaded every space with screens and advertising and addictive algorithms.

There's way too much to unpack on this, multiple books worth probably.

But at the heart of it, is that men must first and foremost support themselves.

Women, they are satisfied with a provider which has become government. Men are different. Men won't be happy with a government provider. I think this is at the root of the huge deviation in politics between young men and women. Young men want to be able to provide for themselves but it's getting increasingly difficult.

Men have a drive to be self sufficient and if that isn't possible they won't be happy and there will be very negative consequences for society.

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Our president in an employee meeting in February a couple years ago said that middle age white males are disposable in the workforce since there are so many.

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I have been advising Gen X white men for years now that if they have a good corporate job (in terms of overall compensation) they need to cling to it by any means necessary. Ride it in to the ground. Because if you lose it, walking in to a like role somewhere else is extremely difficult if not impossible.

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Truth

It's why I'm in MFG now and not corporate IT like I was for about 20 yrs.

In mgmnt now, there, too. And an Ops mgr at another job. (Yes, 2 jobs).

I'm 53, half-brown....it's all I know. Work. Work. Work.

That's great, he should have spent more maximizing the things that really matter in life like family. Being terminally online like he is, is a cancer. What a joke.

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I don't know what to tell you man. You are making assumptions here. You don't know me. My daughters are absolutely being raised to hold responsibility and be women of God. Honestly they are more secure in themselves than every man in this thread who wants to keep saying "but look at the women!" "but what about them!" "who is holding them accountable!"

Again. Take responsibility for yourself as a man.

Let's not be a bunch of Adam's. Stop using the women as a cop out and take responsibility for your own actions and behavior.

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Are you raising them to be men or are you raising them to be women? So many men say this and then when they describe how they are raising their girls they are basically describing how they would raise sons. And this is exactly what I was speaking about in that previous post.

Too much self esteem is a problem for women and you appear to have fallen into that trap.

But frankly, I don't care to go further into that topic because that's for another thread. You brought women into this thread despite having zero experience with raising sons in the modern world. There are times when you should be quiet and listen, this is one of those times.

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Our president in an employee meeting in February a couple years ago said that middle age white males are disposable in the workforce since there are so many.

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I have been advising Gen X white men for years now that if they have a good corporate job (in terms of overall compensation) they need to cling to it by any means necessary. Ride it in to the ground. Because if you lose it, walking in to a like role somewhere else is extremely difficult if not impossible.

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This is so true. I'm trying to find a new role and have been for a year. Holy cow is it difficult. At 42 at my level, finding a new role is like finding Bigfoot. Just have to keep praying and applying.

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Our president in an employee meeting in February a couple years ago said that middle age white males are disposable in the workforce since there are so many.

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Younger white men are no longer even hired now. We middle aged white men are merely trapped, younger white men never had a chance.

Too much self esteem is a problem? I'm convinced we are being trolled now.

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Our president in an employee meeting in February a couple years ago said that middle age white males are disposable in the workforce since there are so many.

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I have been advising Gen X white men for years now that if they have a good corporate job (in terms of overall compensation) they need to cling to it by any means necessary. Ride it in to the ground. Because if you lose it, walking in to a like role somewhere else is extremely difficult if not impossible.

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This is where I am now. I have looked around for years but have come in second about 5 times now and I'm in a field where the amount of qualified people is really small.

People have no idea what is really going on in the corporate world. I see so many unqualified women in higher positions everywhere. It's a joke.

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Too much self esteem is a problem? I'm convinced we are being trolled now.

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"You can be anything you want to be! You can have it all! Never settle for less than what you deserve!"

These are things always told to women, which are completely counter to what the Bible says about how women should behave. Please tell me more about how too much self esteem is not a problem.

I think boy dads may be a little bit more cautious of the Plano, Georgetown, Westlake, etc,, Princess Club than girl dads.

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This woe is me thing is eerily similar to stuff you hear from libs. Smdh.

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Agreed. The best thing you can do for your son's is NOT let them think of themselves as victims. This **** is not helping anyone.

Have sons. Actually pretty optimistic about their generation, the majority of their friends have a lot of positive things going on and a good perspective on life.

Raise them like you were raised. It isn't hard. Instill the same values that made your family function (and if your family didn't function, instill the values you wish they had).

There were ****ty men and losers 50 years ago, they just didn't get a megaphone to whine to the world like social media allows now. Filter out the noise, do good in the world. Don't raise *******.

All the whining, can't "bootstrap" bull***** Shut up. Look around, people are doing it. Move out of the damn cities and make a life worth living.

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Too much self esteem is a problem? I'm convinced we are being trolled now.

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"You can be anything you want to be! You can have it all! Never settle for less than what you deserve!"

These are things always told to women, which are completely counter to what the Bible says about how women should behave. Please tell me more about how too much self esteem is not a problem.

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This is just silly.

Look in the mirror man. Stop blaming women for every problem you have.

I'm very bullish on my Gen Z sons as well. I like what I'm seeing.

If you are living in America in 2025 your life is easier then 99.99999999999999999999% of humans that have ever existed.

Seriously, suck it up buttercup. The only thing you are a victim of is a coddled mentality. Man up and take some agency in your life.

Look. I've been there. I'm certainly not above it. We can all fall into these self pity shame spirals. I've found the following three things help pull myself out of these death spirals:

1.) Have some perspective. Other men have made much more with less.

2.) Self accountability. Get your household in order.

3.) Lastly, but most importantly, get yourself some Jesus. It literally changes everything.

attm boomers the world you came up is not modern society. Platitudes like find Jesus, pull yourself up the bootstraps are just empty sayings.

attn Incels, a word from Gen X, go outside and stop playing on social media and Play Station!

Am I missing something? Did he explain anywhere how the last 5 years of trials and tribulations made his life sooo hard? And did he explain what he did with his 35 years prior to that? I dont get it

I can't even reply to this. Dripping with self loathing a lot like the twitter guy you posted. Sad.

I said it it another post on here but being chronically online like he is, is a cancer.

You aren't missing anything. Look at the "person's" pinned Tweet on his X account:

The worst traits among femininity were also there among the J’s. Extreme pathologies like Cluster B disorders and Antisocial Personality Disorder perfectly described the J’s.

Then I noticed that their entire culture is what a matriarchy would look like. Pure, dark triad… pic.twitter.com/laHHGnxE2Z

— Brotherhood (@DiggingInTheDi1) August 16, 2024

Whining about the "Js". It always comes back to the Jews for some. So weird, but tells you all you need to know!

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If you're a 40-something white male that hasn't achieved success, you have no one to blame but yourself.

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Define success?

A certain salary amount?

A certain title? If title, would that be VP, Director, Project Manager, or some other level? Which level is success?

This is way to ambiguous of a statement.

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You define your own success.

But I will say simply as a baseline if you are in your 40s and don't have a job title you like making a salary that would keep any one not concerned with keeping up with the Jones living decently (100K+) then it's because of choices you made, not society holding you back.

The amount of opportunity the last 20 years for anyone with an internet connection has been INSANE.

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And if you are one of those people and want to make a change, I can help get you there. As a company, the team welcomes all people, no matter their situation, and there are plenty that have fulfilling jobs now. It's not easy. It's not a get rich quick scheme.

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I said it it another post on here but being chronically online like he is, is a cancer.

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Too much self esteem is a problem? I'm convinced we are being trolled now.

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"You can be anything you want to be! You can have it all! Never settle for less than what you deserve!"

These are things always told to women, which are completely counter to what the Bible says about how women should behave. Please tell me more about how too much self esteem is not a problem.

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This is just silly.

Look in the mirror man. Stop blaming women for every problem you have.

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I don't, these are systematic issues about how society is setup nowadays. It's a far bigger issue than just blaming men or women. We have veered so far from the Biblical ideas of behavior that just promoting them is considered anathema to most people. Even so-called conservatives have so ingrained feminists mentalities that they are incapable of seeing the world for how it is.

The devil has been hard at work for more than a hundred years to get us to this point.

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I'm very bullish on my Gen Z sons as well. I like what I'm seeing.

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Same, but I am also convinced that most of the people here are not going to like the final solutions they implement.

The 1950s are not coming back. Some of you need to figure that out.

This thread...

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The 1950s are not coming back. Some of you need to figure that out.

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Of course but we're going to have to come up with something else because clearly what we have now isn't working and no where is that more obvious than birth rates.

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attm boomers the world you came up is not modern society. Platitudes like find Jesus, pull yourself up the bootstraps are just empty sayings.

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two things:

- Gen X here, please keep it straight.

- Brother, you need Jesus. you aren't ready for a woman right now. Get yourself right, then worry about adding a partner later

You can either go out and achieve your goals or you can sit around and blame everyone else but yourself. Even for very highly successful people I can promise things did not always work out exactly as planned. It's almost as if there are individuals who think that they should be rewarded simply for existing. I hate to burst the bubble, but that is not how life works.

While social media has its benefits, it also has its downfalls that must be recognized. I believe too many think that what they see on social media is 100% real life. You are only getting the information that the person sharing wants you to see (daily posts about how how amazing someone else's life is, vacations people are taking, how beautiful their family is).

Are things different than 5 years ago? Sure, but just remember the world has always changed. You can either adapt or you can get left behind wondering what happened.

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attm boomers the world you came up is not modern society. Platitudes like find Jesus, pull yourself up the bootstraps are just empty sayings.

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two things:

- Gen X here, please keep it straight.

- Brother, you need Jesus. you aren't ready for a woman right now. Get yourself right, then worry about adding a partner later

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lol Jesus don't pay the mortgage, why in the hell would I get married I am not stupid. Im gen X btw I know how the game is played.

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Being a man raising two daughters currently, seeing all of the limp wristed, beta male whining that is going on out there is making me realize that the chances of them finding a capable and mentally fit man seem slim. I sure hope not.

Maybe I am reading the intent of this post wrong, but in all of these threads it seems like the collective young boys, and men out there raising them sure are whining a lot.

If you are raising boys currently, then be a good role model to them and teach them to be mentally and physically fit. That whether known or unknown they are called to greatness by God. They may never be recognized for the things that they do, but they better do them anyway. That is what makes a man great.

Having only daughters, I am striving to be an example of what they will look for in a man. And honestly, all this that I am seeing currently, does not align with the example I am setting.

Why is this up to leaders of our nation? Young men have always learned how to be a man from their elders or their peers. Current men need to get over themselves, seek God, take Romans 12:1-2 and Galations 1:10 seriously. Enough with the "woe is me" attitude.

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You're missing the point. IF boys have a strong father, then they will be led in the right direction. I am doing my best with our 4 sons, and several other good men around me are doing the same. But that's not the point of the thread. The point is this: What do you do with the other 50-80% of males that don't? Those are the males that a culturally taught that they are wrong for being male. They are raised in a world where feminine traits are rewarded (sit still, listen to the lady teacher, don't ever, EVER get in a fight, implicitly trust authority as they teach you gender bending theories). They listen to this messaging and they are now the betas you make fun of here. THAT is the issue of the tweet in the OP, and that tweeter has been open and honest about how he got to where he is.

If society does not right the ship, there is no hope for those males and society itself collapses. There were enough dead beats from 1900 - 1980 that there could have been generations of betas then too. The difference was that, as a society, the role of man was upheld and valued. That is rarely the case today. So if your answer is to raise strong daughters that will eventually have all the traits necessary to reject the vast majority of men, this will definitely make the problem worse, as more and more men give up on family life. Even though you aren't raising boys, the rest of society that is should garner more of your concern than you seem to be showing. **If you aren't careful, your one-sided view can easily lead your daughters to having undesirable leadership characteristics that the type of men you do want them to marry will find unattractive**. I'm seeing it in good Christian girls that I went to school with that want to be married yet find themselves single or divorced in their early 30s because of the well meaning, but incorrect way they were raised to understand the gender dynamic. And this means the cycle only gets worse.

**To be clear, I'm not saying you are definitely doing this, but only offering it as a warning to a potential blind spot. Seeing girls raised by dads that essentially taught them some form of Christian feminism aren't having a ton of success from a family and marriage standpoint.