Ag00Ag said:

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Shame.

There's no more shame in our society and we need to bring it back.

It used to be shameful to be an idiot and most everyone would treat you like you should be ashamed of yourself. It used to be shameful to be a bad parent or a single mother of 8 from multiple fathers. It used to be shameful to be on welfare. It used to be shameful to be out of work.

Nobody is ashamed of being worthless anymore and if anyone even hints at looking down on someone who should be ashamed of themselves, they are chastised for discriminating, being an elite snob or not be compassionate enough.

We need to bring back shame

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Today it's called "bullying". Most of the time "back in the day", you were "taught" not to be a moron. I can imagine a guy coming to school back then in a dress and "demanding" everyone call him Madison.

Ag00Ag said:

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Shame.

There's no more shame in our society and we need to bring it back.

It used to be shameful to be an idiot and most everyone would treat you like you should be ashamed of yourself. It used to be shameful to be a bad parent or a single mother of 8 from multiple fathers. It used to be shameful to be on welfare. It used to be shameful to be out of work.

Nobody is ashamed of being worthless anymore and if anyone even hints at looking down on someone who should be ashamed of themselves, they are chastised for discriminating, being an elite snob or not be compassionate enough.

We need to bring back shame

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I agree, but when people live around others who are just like them, who's going to make them feel shame?

And even if you get a suburban daughter who get knocked up while still in school, thanks to people not socializing with their neighbors, again, who is going to make them feel shame?

Ag00Ag said:

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Shame.

There's no more shame in our society and we need to bring it back.

It used to be shameful to be an idiot and most everyone would treat you like you should be ashamed of yourself. It used to be shameful to be a bad parent or a single mother of 8 from multiple fathers. It used to be shameful to be on welfare. It used to be shameful to be out of work.

Nobody is ashamed of being worthless anymore and if anyone even hints at looking down on someone who should be ashamed of themselves, they are chastised for discriminating, being an elite snob or not be compassionate enough.

We need to bring back shame

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Good points.
Fatties used to be called out and shamed, and that acted as an incentive to slim down and get healthy. Now no more. You see fatties boasting on IG about how hot they are and if you don't find them hot, it is your fault.

As "Idiocracy" suggests, assortive mating is the villain.

Up until the 1950s or so, it was common to marry people from your hometown or your family's small social circle ... someone you met at school or church.

That type of pairing ensured that there was a mixing of intelligence. A smart person (sometimes the man, sometimes the woman) would marry someone of lesser intelligence but their children had a chance at inheriting "smart genes."

That's why you saw so many inventions and advancements come from people with backgrounds we would look down on today.

Today, smart men marry smart women and because they are committed to work, planning for the future and pouring resources into their offspring, they have one child.

There aren't a lot of "diamonds in the rough" any more because assortive mating severely reduces the odds of it happening.

Not to say there aren't any, but it's not the 1800s any more. And our modern social and economic structures make it almost impossible for some poor kid to rise above his background and contribute a new idea or invention.

Global IQ Map




Global Birth Rate Map





Yes, dumb people breed like rabbits. And I think it best correlates on the IQ of women. Smarter women don't have kids. Dumb women spit'em out.

IQ measurement by itself is fraught with biases. How can one check someone's intelligence which manifests itself in many different ways? Steve Jobs would have shown up as a doofus, he would not be able to do those problems. But he changed the world.

The map tries to show that whites are smart and the darker you go, the dumber you get.

Looks like some Steve Johnson somewhere came up with it.

This gives a different picture.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country

Before modern civilization there was a minimum level of intelligence required just to survive.

Now the survivors had so much success in setting up civilization they made it very easy for the dumber folks to survive too. Now those dumber folks are having more kids than the more intelligent ones who set up the civilization in the first place.

It's probably been a slow progression over a few thousand years where overtime the percentage of idiots that can survive increases due to advances of their more intelligence peers.

We've definitely hit a tipping point. I wonder if Ancient Greece and Rome also crossed those tipping points due to their own success were the idiots start to reproduce faster in number than the smart ones who built the society, and that's why they collapse.

bmks270 said:

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Before modern civilization there was a minimum level of intelligence required just to survive.

Now the survivors had so much success in setting up civilization they made it very easy for the dumber folks to survive too. Now those dumber folks are having more kids than the more intelligent ones who set up the civilization in the first place.

It's probably been a slow progression over a few thousand years where overtime the percentage of idiots that can survive increases due to advances of their more intelligence peers.

We've definitely hit a tipping point. I wonder if Ancient Greece and Rome also crossed those tipping points due to their own success were the idiots start to reproduce faster in number than the smart ones who built the society, and that's why they collapse.

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Great points Sir.
We have "democratized" (I hate that word) survival where even the dunderheads survive.

I see this in technology also. In the 60s to the 90s, you had to be smart to do software. Then the bean counting CEOs decided they wanted to "democratize" software so they started DEI measures to include housewives. Then promoted them. Now we have these clueless nincompoops in high positions without having written a line of code. And making decisions.

Your map was from the 1950's (pre birth control)

Are those average IQ's on that published map? Guess it's possible, but I find it hard to believe that any population of even minimally functioning humans could have an average IQ in the 60's or 70's. Think what those occupying the lower 2 sigmas of those bell curves must look like. They would own pets that were smarter than them...

Daddy said:

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Do you mean educated or do you mean wise?

I see the highly educated a socialist Marxist who are fools who have been indoctrinated by the system

I see plumbers and truck drivers mechanics seeing things the same way I do but they're not heavily educated they know how to follow the money and they don't get that stupid covid jab and there are causing a half heart cardiomyopathy

So expound a little bit

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I do NOT mean educated necessarily. I just mean smart versus dumb, regardless of their vocations or education backgrounds.

jamey said:

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I think we're moving toward a world where there's less dumb jobs so it stands out more.

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Irony

infinity ag said:

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IQ measurement by itself is fraught with biases. How can one check someone's intelligence which manifests itself in many different ways? Steve Jobs would have shown up as a doofus, he would not be able to do those problems. But he changed the world.

The map tries to show that whites are smart and the darker you go, the dumber you get.

Looks like some Steve Johnson somewhere came up with it.

This gives a different picture.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country

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Uh....no it doesn't. Your map paints almost the exact same picture...

Bring back harems.

Elon's got the right mindset on this. Let the alphas cook.

FrioAg 00 said:

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The answer to your question is yes, always

But some societies manage it better to promote the smarts to making more of the important decisions, mostly by using a capitalism reinforced meritocracy

The US has evolved far away from this, and now intentionally puts the volumes of dumbs way above the outnumbered smarts in terms of decision making and social priority

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Its why machievelli said democracy wouldnt survive, we keep listening to the loudest voices

From a long term perspective, democracy is still a pretty young experiment.

I personally don't believe it can survive more than 1-2 generations beyond the last one that had to fight to achieve or retain the freedom to self govern.

Covid in particulate revealed how low the respect for individual freedom has become within the US population. Many literally crave government control and subjugation.

All in the name of "mindfulness"

We don't have natural selection anymore in the USA. The social safety net of welfare and Medicaid keeps the dumbells alive to reproduce.

pfo said:

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We don't have natural selection anymore in the USA. The social safety net of welfare and Medicaid keeps the dumbells alive to reproduce.

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Also, cheap energy and technology defeated Darwinism a while back imo.

Most of the goofball libs who infest this nation would never have survived much past puberty 100 years ago.

infinity ag said:

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IQ measurement by itself is fraught with biases.

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Nonsense. And your fallacy is called begging the question.

bmks270 said:

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Before modern civilization there was a minimum level of intelligence required just to survive.

Now the survivors had so much success in setting up civilization they made it very easy for the dumber folks to survive too. Now those dumber folks are having more kids than the more intelligent ones who set up the civilization in the first place.

It's probably been a slow progression over a few thousand years where overtime the percentage of idiots that can survive increases due to advances of their more intelligence peers.

We've definitely hit a tipping point. I wonder if Ancient Greece and Rome also crossed those tipping points due to their own success were the idiots start to reproduce faster in number than the smart ones who built the society, and that's why they collapse.

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I 100% believe this is what happened.

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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bmks270 said:

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Before modern civilization there was a minimum level of intelligence required just to survive.

Now the survivors had so much success in setting up civilization they made it very easy for the dumber folks to survive too. Now those dumber folks are having more kids than the more intelligent ones who set up the civilization in the first place.

It's probably been a slow progression over a few thousand years where overtime the percentage of idiots that can survive increases due to advances of their more intelligence peers.

We've definitely hit a tipping point. I wonder if Ancient Greece and Rome also crossed those tipping points due to their own success were the idiots start to reproduce faster in number than the smart ones who built the society, and that's why they collapse.

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I 100% believe this is what happened.

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Not what happened

TexasRebel said:

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Intelligent people consider the ability to care for young before making them.

Imbeciles wing it and let their accidents starve.

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Not when you have a government that is willing to pay to not only make sure they do not starve but make it so they can produce more "stupid".

So who is the stupider?

The imbeciles?

Or the folks feeding the imbeciles so the survive long enough to breed?

Are you referring to quantity or quality?

Yes

MagnumLoad said:

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Yes

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"Half the people you know are below average."

- Steven Wright