Trump working on plan to relocate Palestinians to Libya

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Zobel
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No, because I don't have any need to justify those expulsions - you need them to be acceptable, to support the expulsion you find expedient.


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Genocidal hatred against Israel is about an ideology that seeks to erase a specific ethnoreligious group from the planet.
I disagree. I think this is an ideological conflict at its core - on both sides. Zionism is the issue, not Judaism.
BonfireNerd04
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Arabs at anti-Israel rallies shout Khaybar, Khaybar, ya yahud!, which is directed at "Jews", not "Israelis".
nortex97
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Zobel said:

No, because I don't have any need to justify those expulsions - you need them to be acceptable, to support the expulsion you find expedient.
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Genocidal hatred against Israel is about an ideology that seeks to erase a specific ethnoreligious group from the planet.
I disagree. I think this is an ideological conflict at its core - on both sides. Zionism is the issue, not Judaism.
Accepting a payment by the victimized 'civilians' to move to Libya to be away from Hamas is not an expulsion. Zionism may be 'an' issue, but not 'the' one. It is not responsible for Hamas holding hostages to this day, or the operation itself which was meticulously planned for years.

Separating the parties physically and ending the grotesque 'indoctrination' USAID/UNRWA facilitated by Hamas makes a lot of sense.
Moon Shadow
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Beau Coup open land in Deep South Libya!
Zobel
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How could it be possible that Arabs in the region conflate Zionism and Judaism? What a riddle!
BonfireNerd04
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The "innocent" children of Gaza:

BonfireNerd04
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Moon Shadow said:

Beau Coup open land in Deep South Libya!


There will be even more in South Africa once the White people leave.
CrackerJackAg
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BonfireNerd04 said:

Zobel said:

Why does that matter?
Because the motivations are different.

Genocidal hatred against Israel is about an ideology that seeks to erase a specific ethnoreligious group from the planet.



Are you talking about Europeans? Why did the Jews feel the need to flee World and live in harsh conditions in a foreign land again?

Rich that anyone of European descent talks about trying to help the Jews and Greeks the moral superiority to lecture others.
BonfireNerd04
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What do the Greeks have to do with this?
SpreadsheetAg
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Let them live there IF they convert to Judaism...

It what would happen in reverse.
El Gallo Blanco
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CrackerJackAg said:

Here's the thing….

They don't want to leave their home any more than you want to leave yours.

They shouldn't have to.

Those people have lived in that area for 4 times longer than we have mind existed in this country and none of us are giving up our homes.

It hasn't been majority Jewish in two millennia.

I personally do not give a **** about the Arabs and I don't really care with the Israelis are doing to them but don't think they're just up and ready to leave.

I'm just saying it's not a practical solution.

The UN, Brit's and Israelis have been offering that for the last 80 years to them.


They're backwards barbarians compared to the residents of Israel….thats the only reason I'm in favor of things going back to how they were in the Bible over there (before the Islamic hordes who follow a genocidal lunatic who forced a SIX yr old into marriage invaded).

I could not care less what any Arab Muslim wants or what they consider to be "fair" or "unfair".
Zobel
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How they were in the Bible? You mean where the northern kingdom of Israel practiced paganism and was destroyed utterly in less than two centuries? Or where Judah also has pagan syncretism and was exiled two centuries after that?
CrackerJackAg
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Zobel said:

How they were in the Bible? You mean where the northern kingdom of Israel practiced paganism and was destroyed utterly in less than two centuries? Or where Judah also has pagan syncretism and was exiled two centuries after that?


Why any lunatic believes the state is Israel has anything to do with the Biblical Kingdom is insane.

It's crazy to watch Protestant Christian's lose Christ when it comes to Israel.


El Gallo Blanco
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Zobel said:

How they were in the Bible? You mean where the northern kingdom of Israel practiced paganism and was destroyed utterly in less than two centuries? Or where Judah also has pagan syncretism and was exiled two centuries after that?


I simply mean when Jews dominated the land…before the genocidal pedophile ever invented the death cult that continuously plagues humanity in the first place.

I just chuckle when people act like the Palestinians have some ancient claim to these lands.
El Gallo Blanco
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CrackerJackAg said:

Zobel said:

How they were in the Bible? You mean where the northern kingdom of Israel practiced paganism and was destroyed utterly in less than two centuries? Or where Judah also has pagan syncretism and was exiled two centuries after that?


Why any lunatic believes the state is Israel has anything to do with the Biblical Kingdom is insane.

It's crazy to watch Protestant Christian's lose Christ when it comes to Israel.





I just think it should belong to non Muslims. I am not one of those Christians who believe there is some religious duty to white knight for Israel. Far from it. I just think the world would be better off if the Islamic hordes were driven off to another Islamic country. We think Mexico is a bad neighbor, lol. Can you imagine if the vast majority of them obsessed over killing all of us…and they were routinely lobbing rockets at Houston, San Antonio and Austin?
Zobel
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Jews never dominated the land.

A group of tribes that formed the nation of Israel moved in perhaps around 1400 BC. There was no central government here. Many of the tribes immediately apostatized from the religion of Moses. They took a king around 1000 BC which lasted a very short time before they split into two kingdoms - Israel and Judah around 930 BC. The northern kingdom immediately apostatized. They waged war on Judah, and after a short time they were destroyed by the Assyrians in 722 BC.

Judah lasted a little bit longer, but was conquered by the Babylonians in 586 BC. Later they were allowed to return, but were part of the Persian empire. Persia was conquered by the Greeks (Alexander) and then they became under Seleucid (Greek) rule. They revolted in 168, got their independence fully in 141 BC, before being annexed by the Romans in 64 BC by Pompey the Great. The people in the bible referred to as "Jews" are these people - the people who lived in Judaea, which used to be Judah. This area is roughly from Jerusalem down to Be'er Shava, and does not include the coastal area (which we call Gaza now). If you want the Jewish kingdom, that would be Judah, and it is much smaller than Israel is today.

It remained under the Romans until 636 AD, when it was conquered by the Muslims. So it was Christian from around 330 AD - call it 300 years.

But for the majority of history this area was pagan, either under the pre-conquest Canaanites, or under the Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, or Romans. It was only "Jewish" for an extremely short period in history, around 400 years. It was Roman for 700 years, and Christian Roman for about 300 of that. It has been Muslim for around 1300 years, with a couple of interruptions. Jewish again for less than a century.
BonfireNerd04
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El Gallo Blanco said:

CrackerJackAg said:

Zobel said:

How they were in the Bible? You mean where the northern kingdom of Israel practiced paganism and was destroyed utterly in less than two centuries? Or where Judah also has pagan syncretism and was exiled two centuries after that?


Why any lunatic believes the state is Israel has anything to do with the Biblical Kingdom is insane.

It's crazy to watch Protestant Christian's lose Christ when it comes to Israel.





I just think it should belong to non Muslims. I am not one of those Christians who believe there is some religious duty to white knight for Israel. Far from it. I just think the world would be better off if the Islamic hordes were driven off to another Islamic country. We think Mexico is a bad neighbor, lol. Can you imagine if the vast majority of them obsessed over killing all of us…and they were routinely lobbing rockets at Houston, San Antonio and Austin?
Or if a neo-Nazi German "Prussian Liberation Organization" had fired 20,000 rockets at Poland so far this century. No other country in the world would put up with just horrible neighbors, so why the hell is Israel expected to?
BigRobSA
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Zobel said:

Jews never dominated the land.
They dominate the **** out of it, now.

And idiots keep FAFO-ing. And then cry about it as they're FO-ing.

Here's an idea. Leave them the hell alone.
Zobel
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I don't support Hamas or any other Palestinian terror group. The US should stay out of it.
BonfireNerd04
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Zobel said:

I don't support Hamas or any other Palestinian terror group. The US should stay out of it.
So, if the USA were to sit back and do nothing while Israel takes its own initiative to load Palestinians onto ships for a one-way voyage to Libya, will you be OK with that?
Zobel
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Ok with it meaning I don't think it's wrong? No. Ok with it meaning we should actually stop meddling? Yes.

And that means no more intel, intervention, military aid, humanitarian aid, weapons, finger wagging, or anything else.
Keyno
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Zobel said:

Ok with it meaning I don't think it's wrong? No. Ok with it meaning we should actually stop meddling? Yes.

And that means no more intel, intervention, military aid, humanitarian aid, weapons, finger wagging, or anything else.
Yep thats the crux of the issue right there. Israel would not be able to prosecute this war without our aid, weapons, and unconditional guarantee to destroy anyone who fights back against them. So, unfortunately, we are underwriting any atrocity israel commits.
BigRobSA
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Zobel said:

I don't support Hamas or any other Palestinian terror group. The US should stay out of it.
Um, ok. Guilty, much?

I didn't even remotely suggest you did.

I don't think we should involve ourselves, either.

But....that cuts both ways. If they just went ahead and nuked Gaza on 10/8 I'd have been fine with it. The only reason they hold back is because of the leash....let that go and **** gets real, fast.
2023NCAggies
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Trump should call the new dictator of Syria, tell him, hey one more thing, take these people in, we'll help build them shacks on the border with Iran. I'll send the revisions, sign and fax back.

Why don't we just dump them in Iraq and Somalia
BonfireNerd04
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2023NCAggies said:

Trump should call the new dictator of Syria, tell him, hey one more thing, take these people in, we'll help build them shacks on the border with Iran. I'll send the revisions, sign and fax back.

Why don't we just dump them in Iraq and Somalia


Or South Africa or Ireland, since they supposedly love the Palestinians so much.

I don't care where they go, as long as nobody stays in Gaza.
nortex97
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Exactly, although I'd be a bit sad if it's Ireland. It would be fantastic to see Gaza emptied and transformed into a world class resort I could vacation at.
infinity ag
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As long as these terrorists are not shipped to the US.

NIMBY.
GasAg90
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Tell them they are going on a cruise and put them on a cruise ship. Cruise the med for a couple of days and drop them off in Libya.
Waffledynamics
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Sending then to Libya dooms them to slavery and trafficking.
infinity ag
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Waffledynamics said:

Sending then to Libya dooms them to slavery and trafficking.

Just muslims muslimming.

Not my problem.
samurai_science
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infinity ag said:

Waffledynamics said:

Sending then to Libya dooms them to slavery and trafficking.

Just muslims muslimming.

Not my problem.
BigRobSA
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Waffledynamics said:

Sending then to Libya dooms them to slavery and trafficking.
You had me at "Hello".
Old Sarge
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Keyno said:

Zobel said:

Ok with it meaning I don't think it's wrong? No. Ok with it meaning we should actually stop meddling? Yes.

And that means no more intel, intervention, military aid, humanitarian aid, weapons, finger wagging, or anything else.
Yep thats the crux of the issue right there. Israel would not be able to prosecute this war without our aid, weapons, and unconditional guarantee to destroy anyone who fights back against them. So, unfortunately, we are underwriting any atrocity israel commits.
Wake me up when the Israelis start this with the Palestinians:

  • Killing families one at a time in front of each other....
  • Raping Palestinian women, to death....
  • Blowing women's brains out, while the male is still inside her during the act of rape...
  • Dismembering bodies to fit them in the back of vehicles to be toured through towns to be spat upon...
  • Beating infants brains out with the butt of a rifle....
  • Cooking infants in ovens while the mother watches the baby being cooked, alive....
  • Fill in the blank of the worst things you could imagine, the Palestinians did it, and worse......

The Palestinian people supported and facilitated Hamas. There are two kinds of Palestinians. Current and future combatants. The Palestinians would recreate Oct. 7 a thousand times given the opportunity, knowing they'd get their ass kicked just as bad ever time. They don't care about anything but killing Jewish people, and obviously children, and that is the mission of their existence. No country in the Arab world wants them, because they KNOW that Palestinians sew nothing but trouble and discord wherever they have existed. It's in their blood and soul.

Israel is being neighborly compared to what the Palestinians would do to them given the chance.
"Green" is the new RED.
El Gallo Blanco
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Zobel said:

I don't support Hamas or any other Palestinian terror group. The US should stay out of it.


Agree with this. My only point is that if we had such horrible barbaric genocide thirsty neighbors, I would be all for driving them to other lands where that crap is tolerated.
Keyno
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Let's keep this thread free of Israeli wartime atrocity propaganda please
 
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