American Hardwood said:

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These illegals were brought/allowed here in order to vote. The integrity and value of my vote is priceless.

That's the metric.

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Your feelz don't answer my question.

techno-ag said:

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tysker said:

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I still have the same questions I had during the first Trump administration: How much will this cost and who is paying for this?

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A small fraction of what it would cost paying their medical and free schooling over the next several decades.

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No different than the welfare class of natural-born citizens.
Is there any evidence that illegals have higher cost structures for these public services?

tysker said:

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techno-ag said:

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tysker said:

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I still have the same questions I had during the first Trump administration: How much will this cost and who is paying for this?

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A small fraction of what it would cost paying their medical and free schooling over the next several decades.

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No different than the welfare class of natural-born citizens.
Is there any evidence that illegals have higher cost structures for these public services?

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You answered the question yourself. No different from legal citizens. The problem is 30 million additional illegals.

techno-ag said:

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tysker said:

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techno-ag said:

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tysker said:

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I still have the same questions I had during the first Trump administration: How much will this cost and who is paying for this?

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A small fraction of what it would cost paying their medical and free schooling over the next several decades.

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No different than the welfare class of natural-born citizens.
Is there any evidence that illegals have higher cost structures for these public services?

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You answered the question yourself. No different from legal citizens. The problem is 30 million additional illegals.

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So you're problem is the spending, not the citizenship status.
It's too bad Trump can't assemble a team to address the current waste and fraud in these government spending programs.

tysker said:

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American Hardwood said:

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These illegals were brought/allowed here in order to vote. The integrity and value of my vote is priceless.

That's the metric.

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Your feelz don't answer my question.

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That isn't feelz. Illegals voting waters down my vote. My vote is valuable so is yours. You should protect that value.

tysker said:

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techno-ag said:

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tysker said:

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I still have the same questions I had during the first Trump administration: How much will this cost and who is paying for this?

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A small fraction of what it would cost paying their medical and free schooling over the next several decades.

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No different than the welfare class of natural-born citizens.
Is there any evidence that illegals have higher cost structures for these public services?

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So what? I would rather be paying for 1,000,000 parasites than 2,000,000. That's your argument, really?

tysker said:

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techno-ag said:

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tysker said:

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techno-ag said:

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tysker said:

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I still have the same questions I had during the first Trump administration: How much will this cost and who is paying for this?

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A small fraction of what it would cost paying their medical and free schooling over the next several decades.

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No different than the welfare class of natural-born citizens.
Is there any evidence that illegals have higher cost structures for these public services?

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You answered the question yourself. No different from legal citizens. The problem is 30 million additional illegals.

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So you're problem is the spending, not the citizenship status.
It's too bad Trump can't assemble a team to address the current waste and fraud in these government spending programs.

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It's not either/or it's both the spending AND the status.

American Hardwood said:

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tysker said:

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techno-ag said:

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tysker said:

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I still have the same questions I had during the first Trump administration: How much will this cost and who is paying for this?

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A small fraction of what it would cost paying their medical and free schooling over the next several decades.

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No different than the welfare class of natural-born citizens.
Is there any evidence that illegals have higher cost structures for these public services?

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So what? I would rather be paying for 1,000,000 parasites than 2,000,000. That's your argument, really?

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I would argue we shouldn't be paying for any parasites. But there exponentially more home-grown parasites. We already know if you fix the welfare problem, it should result in lower demand for illegal immigration.

But Trump and his cabinet are too cowardly to address the welfare state, Instead they want to give the feds more power and money. Will there be meaningful results from all of this expect for expanding the power and scope of government?

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Sq 17 said:

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You missed my second point the people that are going to self deport are not the recent "invasion" I find it amusing that MAGA thinks every illegal in America arrived during the Biden presidency

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Does when they are illegal matter?

• No

They're here illegally. Boot them. If they're scared enough to be sent to an African oasis, maybe they'll head on home. Regardless of when they came here. Sheesh.

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Also;
Trump administration offers $1,000 to migrants who self-deport
quote from the article

• The Trump administration announced Monday it would give migrants a $1,000 payment if they "self-deport" using a government app.
  
  The announcement from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) called the funds a way to "facilitate travel back to their home country" that will be paid once their return has been confirmed through the CBP Home app.

So, they have a choice;

• Self deport to their country of origin, get $1000 pocket money and still have a chance to emigrate here legally
• Get sent to a different country to be determined, face fines and can never legally emigrate to the U.S.

American Hardwood said:

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tysker said:

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American Hardwood said:

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These illegals were brought/allowed here in order to vote. The integrity and value of my vote is priceless.

That's the metric.

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Your feelz don't answer my question.

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That isn't feelz. Illegals voting waters down my vote. My vote is valuable so is yours. You should protect that value.

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How many illegals voted in the last election? Do you have any facts or figures to indicate your vote is being 'watered down?'

Anecdotally, every immigrant I know loved Trump heading into the election. Could illegals have swayed the election to Trump?

tysker said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Less than it costs for them to stay here. That's all that matters.

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By what metric? A little evidence would be useful in explaining the purpose of this initiative.

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Homan stated several times yesterday that DHS estimates the average cost of arresting, processing, and deporting an illegal is about $17,000. The point being made was that aided self-deportation, plus a plane ticket, plus $1000 parting gift is a steal.

$17,000 per is a steal as compared to what each criminal invader eventually (or already has) costs the US taxpayer.

Further, removing future democrat voters = priceless

tysker said:

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techno-ag said:

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tysker said:

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I still have the same questions I had during the first Trump administration: How much will this cost and who is paying for this?

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A small fraction of what it would cost paying their medical and free schooling over the next several decades.

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No different than the welfare class of natural-born citizens.
Is there any evidence that illegals have higher cost structures for these public services?

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Illegals almost exclusively use emergency rooms for everything from the sniffles to stiches. At least the welfare class here on medicaid or Obamacare can go to a normal doctors office.

That article is funny

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In the first 100 days of the administration, the Trump team boasted of deporting more than 135,000 people

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So, only another ~220 more 100-day periods and they'll get rid of all 30 million illegals. Seems easy enough!

tysker said:

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American Hardwood said:

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tysker said:

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techno-ag said:

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tysker said:

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I still have the same questions I had during the first Trump administration: How much will this cost and who is paying for this?

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A small fraction of what it would cost paying their medical and free schooling over the next several decades.

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No different than the welfare class of natural-born citizens.
Is there any evidence that illegals have higher cost structures for these public services?

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So what? I would rather be paying for 1,000,000 parasites than 2,000,000. That's your argument, really?

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I would argue we shouldn't be paying for any parasites. But there exponentially more home-grown parasites. We already know if you fix the welfare problem, it should result in lower demand for illegal immigration.

But Trump and his cabinet are too cowardly to address the welfare state, Instead they want to give the feds more power and money. Will there be meaningful results from all of this expect for expanding the power and scope of government?

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Addressing the welfare state will require the legislature and that will require time. Trump can deal with immigration with executive powers and is doing that now. If you want to take care of welfare, you should be talking about congress, not Trump.

tysker said:

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American Hardwood said:

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tysker said:

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American Hardwood said:

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These illegals were brought/allowed here in order to vote. The integrity and value of my vote is priceless.

That's the metric.

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Your feelz don't answer my question.

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That isn't feelz. Illegals voting waters down my vote. My vote is valuable so is yours. You should protect that value.

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How many illegals voted in the last election? Do you have any facts or figures to indicate your vote is being 'watered down?'

Anecdotally, every immigrant I know loved Trump heading into the election. Could illegals have swayed the election to Trump?

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Important difference highlighted.

Doesn't matter how many illegal votes were harvested in the last election. One is too many.

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That article is funny

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In the first 100 days of the administration, the Trump team boasted of deporting more than 135,000 people

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So, only another ~220 more 100-day periods and they'll get rid of all 30 million illegals. Seems easy enough!

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It isn't his fault that democrats are obstructing. They facilitated every aspect of the invasion and now they are trying to force us to keep the invaders. But you know that.

tysker said:

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American Hardwood said:

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tysker said:

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techno-ag said:

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tysker said:

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I still have the same questions I had during the first Trump administration: How much will this cost and who is paying for this?

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A small fraction of what it would cost paying their medical and free schooling over the next several decades.

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No different than the welfare class of natural-born citizens.
Is there any evidence that illegals have higher cost structures for these public services?

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So what? I would rather be paying for 1,000,000 parasites than 2,000,000. That's your argument, really?

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I would argue we shouldn't be paying for any parasites. But there exponentially more home-grown parasites. We already know if you fix the welfare problem, it should result in lower demand for illegal immigration.

But Trump and his cabinet are too cowardly to address the welfare state, Instead they want to give the feds more power and money. Will there be meaningful results from all of this expect for expanding the power and scope of government?

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tysker, you argue like a guy painting himself into a corner. Amusing posts. Lolz

Urban Ag said:

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tysker said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Less than it costs for them to stay here. That's all that matters.

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By what metric? A little evidence would be useful in explaining the purpose of this initiative.

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Homan stated several times yesterday that DHS estimates the average cost of arresting, processing, and deporting an illegal is about $17,000. The point being made was that aided self-deportation, plus a plane ticket, plus $1000 parting gift is a steal.

$17,000 per is a steal as compared to what each criminal invader eventually (or already has) costs the US taxpayer.

Further, removing future democrat voters = priceless

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Do I have my math right? $17k times 30 million is $510,000,000,000. That's half a trillion dollars just to remove people from the country. This is more than was spent on Medicare Advantage plans during 2024.

What is the long-term cost savings going to look like?

tysker said:

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Urban Ag said:

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Further, removing future democrat voters = priceless

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Do I have my math right? $17k times 30 million is $510,000,000,000. That's half a trillion dollars just to remove people from the country. This is more than was spent on Medicare Advantage plans during 2024.

What is the long-term cost savings going to look like?

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Incalculable!

American Hardwood said:

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tysker said:

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American Hardwood said:

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tysker said:

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techno-ag said:

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tysker said:

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I still have the same questions I had during the first Trump administration: How much will this cost and who is paying for this?

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A small fraction of what it would cost paying their medical and free schooling over the next several decades.

---

No different than the welfare class of natural-born citizens.
Is there any evidence that illegals have higher cost structures for these public services?

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So what? I would rather be paying for 1,000,000 parasites than 2,000,000. That's your argument, really?

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I would argue we shouldn't be paying for any parasites. But there exponentially more home-grown parasites. We already know if you fix the welfare problem, it should result in lower demand for illegal immigration.

But Trump and his cabinet are too cowardly to address the welfare state, Instead they want to give the feds more power and money. Will there be meaningful results from all of this expect for expanding the power and scope of government?

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Addressing the welfare state will require the legislature and that will require time. Trump can deal with immigration with executive powers and is doing that now. If you want to take care of welfare, you should be talking about congress, not Trump.

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Some of us have been wanting Congress to remedy both the immigration problem and the increase in welfare spending for a while now. Trump's use of wartime executive powers is not sustainable.

Urban Ag said:

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tysker said:

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techno-ag said:

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tysker said:

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I still have the same questions I had during the first Trump administration: How much will this cost and who is paying for this?

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A small fraction of what it would cost paying their medical and free schooling over the next several decades.

---

No different than the welfare class of natural-born citizens.
Is there any evidence that illegals have higher cost structures for these public services?

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Illegals almost exclusively use emergency rooms for everything from the sniffles to stiches. At least the welfare class here on medicaid or Obamacare can go to a normal doctors office.

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Do you have any evidence of this?
I like how you didn't include Medicare as welfare, too. I'm sure you know there's plenty of wasteful ER usage for medicare patients as well.

Hence the point they're already looking at more cost effective means for removal. And $17,000 to throw out the "worst of the worst" is in fact a steal and that's who's currently being targeted. Not to mention, the notion we even have the ability, much less the funding, to remove 30M is ridiculous and a moot point. And you can thank Harris, Biden, Mayorkas, and the democrat party for that.

The bigger point in all of this is that had Harris won nothing would have changed. It would likely have gotten worse. And four years from now that 25 or 30M would be 50 or 60M.

You're not really making any points, you're just arguing in circles.

tysker said:

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Urban Ag said:

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tysker said:

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techno-ag said:

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tysker said:

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I still have the same questions I had during the first Trump administration: How much will this cost and who is paying for this?

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A small fraction of what it would cost paying their medical and free schooling over the next several decades.

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No different than the welfare class of natural-born citizens.
Is there any evidence that illegals have higher cost structures for these public services?

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Illegals almost exclusively use emergency rooms for everything from the sniffles to stiches. At least the welfare class here on medicaid or Obamacare can go to a normal doctors office.

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Do you have any evidence of this?
I like how you didn't include Medicare as welfare, too. I'm sure you know there's plenty of wasteful ER usage for medicare patients as well.

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You're a troll. It is completely common knowledge and has been since at least the 90's that illegal aliens flood emergency rooms. You know that and I'm not wasting my time on common knowledge.

I didn't include Medicare because it's the primary form of healthcare for most seniors, whether they want it that way or not. But you also knew that.

But, but, who care about tens of millions of illegals when Americans already commit crimes, commit fraud, and game the system. Right?

About the dumbest defense of illegal immigration that gets thrown out. Why don't you just come out and admit you support open borders and unfettered migration, even for the absolute worst the world has to offer? Just own it and cut the bullsh**.

tysker said:

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techno-ag said:

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tysker said:

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I still have the same questions I had during the first Trump administration: How much will this cost and who is paying for this?

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A small fraction of what it would cost paying their medical and free schooling over the next several decades.

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No different than the welfare class of natural-born citizens.
Is there any evidence that illegals have higher cost structures for these public services?

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Illegals are not citizens. This is what matters.

The government has obligations to its own citizens first. Noncitizens can go pound sand if their interests conflict with citizens interests.

To equate the interests of illegals and noncitizens with the interests of Amefican citizens is to ignore that very basic fact.

If you don't believe the government's first responsibility is to its citizens then you are globalist communist ideologue and there is no reaching you.

Urban Ag said:

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Hence the point they're already looking at more cost effective means for removal. And $17,000 to throw out the "worst of the worst" is in fact a steal and that's who's currently being targeted. Not to mention, the notion we even have the ability, much less the funding, to remove 30M is ridiculous and a moot point. And you can thank Harris, Biden, Mayorkas, and the democrat party for that.

The bigger point in all of this is that had Harris won nothing would have changed. It would likely have gotten worse. And four years from now that 25 or 30M would be 50 or 60M.

You're not really making any points, you're just arguing in circles.

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I dont give two ****s about Harris or Biden. I'm still asking the same questions but few posters can produce useful information.To quote myself:

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I still have the same questions I had during the first Trump administration: How much will this cost and who is paying for this?

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$17k per deportation seems reasonable at face value. But when scaled, do these figures hold? And again, who is paying for this? We already have a $2 trillion annual deficit. It's unclear to me whether these deportations and the incurred costs are a good use of debt.

TacosaurusRex said:

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damiond said:

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‘We don’t see any American Dream. We’ve experienced only the American Nightmare.’

Migrants in the US facing deportation would undoubtedly agree with that quote from Pan-Africanist revolutionary Malcolm X (1925-65). 

Many could potentially find themselves in the central African… pic.twitter.com/0ShU2XzZFO

— African Stream (@african_stream) May 6, 2025

lets go
rwanda

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I seem to recall the Rwanda leader pretty much promising Trump anything he wanted if he would help end the war destroying their country (again).

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Believe you are thinking of the Congo. Their President wanted to make rare earth mineral deal with us (Trump) if we helped rid them of rebels.

He also offered to take in Gaza refugees

tysker said:

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American Hardwood said:

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tysker said:

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American Hardwood said:

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tysker said:

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techno-ag said:

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tysker said:

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I still have the same questions I had during the first Trump administration: How much will this cost and who is paying for this?

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A small fraction of what it would cost paying their medical and free schooling over the next several decades.

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No different than the welfare class of natural-born citizens.
Is there any evidence that illegals have higher cost structures for these public services?

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So what? I would rather be paying for 1,000,000 parasites than 2,000,000. That's your argument, really?

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I would argue we shouldn't be paying for any parasites. But there exponentially more home-grown parasites. We already know if you fix the welfare problem, it should result in lower demand for illegal immigration.

But Trump and his cabinet are too cowardly to address the welfare state, Instead they want to give the feds more power and money. Will there be meaningful results from all of this expect for expanding the power and scope of government?

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Addressing the welfare state will require the legislature and that will require time. Trump can deal with immigration with executive powers and is doing that now. If you want to take care of welfare, you should be talking about congress, not Trump.

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Some of us have been wanting Congress to remedy both the immigration problem and the increase in welfare spending for a while now. Trump's use of wartime executive powers is not sustainable.

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Your arguments make no sense. You say you want a remedy and the ONE guy with some power to do so and is in fact doing it is the target of all your criticism. All you have done is attack Trump while you admit the real problem lies elsewhere. Your arguments are just flailing around trying to find some traction.

You aren't here for a constructive discussion at all and are in fact, a troll.

Urban Ag said:

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tysker said:

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Urban Ag said:

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tysker said:

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techno-ag said:

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tysker said:

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I still have the same questions I had during the first Trump administration: How much will this cost and who is paying for this?

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A small fraction of what it would cost paying their medical and free schooling over the next several decades.

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No different than the welfare class of natural-born citizens.
Is there any evidence that illegals have higher cost structures for these public services?

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Illegals almost exclusively use emergency rooms for everything from the sniffles to stiches. At least the welfare class here on medicaid or Obamacare can go to a normal doctors office.

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Do you have any evidence of this?
I like how you didn't include Medicare as welfare, too. I'm sure you know there's plenty of wasteful ER usage for medicare patients as well.

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You're a troll. It is completely common knowledge and has been since at least the 90's that illegal aliens flood emergency rooms. You know that and I'm not wasting my time on common knowledge.

I didn't include Medicare because it's the primary form of healthcare for most seniors, whether they want it that way or not. But you also knew that.

But, but, who care about tens of millions of illegals when Americans already commit crimes, commit fraud, and game the system. Right?

About the dumbest defense of illegal immigration that gets thrown out. Why don't you just come out and admit you support open borders and unfettered migration, even for the absolute worst the world has to offer? Just own it and cut the bullsh**.

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I doubt you'll find meaningful data to back up your claim that "illegal aliens flood emergency rooms." At least no more than any others. If you dont include Medicare, you're obscuring the facts.

I support legal immigration, and you should too. We should kick out the criminals and those who commit fraud. But I think if we first reduce the welfare state as a whole and remove opportunities for fraud within that system, there will be a coincidental decrease in illegal immigration

FWIW, the left conveniently forgets there are LEGAL methods in place to move here.

tysker said:

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Urban Ag said:

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It's unclear to me whether these deportations and the incurred costs are a good use of debt.

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How about giving Social Security to illegal aliens who have never paid into the system? Is that a good use of debt?

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FWIW, the left conveniently forgets there are LEGAL methods in place to move here.

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They are not forgetting anything. They are using the system to destroy the system.

tysker said:

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Urban Ag said:

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Hence the point they're already looking at more cost effective means for removal. And $17,000 to throw out the "worst of the worst" is in fact a steal and that's who's currently being targeted. Not to mention, the notion we even have the ability, much less the funding, to remove 30M is ridiculous and a moot point. And you can thank Harris, Biden, Mayorkas, and the democrat party for that.

The bigger point in all of this is that had Harris won nothing would have changed. It would likely have gotten worse. And four years from now that 25 or 30M would be 50 or 60M.

You're not really making any points, you're just arguing in circles.

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I dont give two ****s about Harris or Biden. I'm still asking the same questions but few posters can produce useful information.To quote myself:

Quote:

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I still have the same questions I had during the first Trump administration: How much will this cost and who is paying for this?

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$17k per deportation seems reasonable at face value. But when scaled, do these figures hold? And again, who is paying for this? We already have a $2 trillion annual deficit. It's unclear to me whether these deportations and the incurred costs are a good use of debt.

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BTW the $17k per deportation is the current cost. The system where $1000 is paid to self deport is estimated to be about $5200 per deportation which includes the $1k payout.

$1000 Stipend proposal

Ags4DaWin said:

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tysker said:

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techno-ag said:

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tysker said:

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I still have the same questions I had during the first Trump administration: How much will this cost and who is paying for this?

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A small fraction of what it would cost paying their medical and free schooling over the next several decades.

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No different than the welfare class of natural-born citizens.
Is there any evidence that illegals have higher cost structures for these public services?

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Illegals are not citizens. This is what matters.

The government has obligations to its own citizens first. Noncitizens can go pound sand if their interests conflict with citizens interests.

To equate the interests of illegals and noncitizens with the interests of Amefican citizens is to ignore that very basic fact.

If you don't believe the government's first responsibility is to its citizens then you are globalist communist ideologue and there is no reaching you.

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Indeed, this is where the rubber hits the road. What are the legal, cultural, and humanitarian obligations to non-citizens? Claims of amnesty are a challenge. Minor citizens of non-citizen parents are another.

Should we treat the current set of Venezuelan illegals the same way we treated Cubans, Vietnamese, or Filipinos of the past?

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tysker said:

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Urban Ag said:

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It's unclear to me whether these deportations and the incurred costs are a good use of debt.

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How about giving Social Security to illegal aliens who have never paid into the system? Is that a good use of debt?

It's not. It's a waste. We should consider getting rid of the entire program!

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FWIW, the left conveniently forgets there are LEGAL methods in place to move here.

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They are not forgetting anything. They are using the system to destroy the system.

Congress has kicked the immigration can down the road for decades. I think both sides are using this as a wedge issue because abortion isn't really a federal concern anymore

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