What don't you understand? Seems clear as a bell.
Mexican nationals arrested transporting 180K rounds of ammunition
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newbie11 said:
lol. If an American in another country on a visa tried to buy 180,000 rounds of ammo, they'd be arrested and deported.
It ought to be illegal in the US for anyone to purchase that much at one time.
Maybe Canada is more your speed?
It's not that far...
BMX Bandit said:
What don't you understand? Seems clear as a bell.
I understand they purchased the ammo in Utah, were arrested in Colorado and that the destination for the ammo was Pueblo Colorado.
I don't understand what the crime is if they were taking it to Pueblo. Was there intent to take it to Mexico? That would be a crime.
The answer is in the linked article from OP
Martinez Solis and Amador Garcia were both charged with Unlawful Possession of Ammunition by Alien Admitted Under a Nonimmigrant Visa.
Officials said the case is part of Operation Take Back America, a federal initiative designed "to repel the invasion of illegal immigration, achieve the total elimination of cartels and transnational criminal organizations."
Martinez Solis and Amador Garcia were both charged with Unlawful Possession of Ammunition by Alien Admitted Under a Nonimmigrant Visa.
Officials said the case is part of Operation Take Back America, a federal initiative designed "to repel the invasion of illegal immigration, achieve the total elimination of cartels and transnational criminal organizations."
Ah! I missed the non immigrant visa portion.
How much should we be allowed to purchase?newbie11 said:
lol. If an American in another country on a visa tried to buy 180,000 rounds of ammo, they'd be arrested and deported.
It ought to be illegal in the US for anyone to purchase that much at one time.
What about firearms? How many is too many to own?
If they got a great deal, about a $75,000 purchase. So did they have a platinum American Express card or buy with cash? Interested in the details. Barter maybe?
Yep...margaritas all round!nortex97 said:
I don't see the problem. 180,000 rounds of small arms ammunition doesn't seem probative of a crime. They were arrested in Utah, not Canada, right? Will the new Senator Mittens (Curtis) go visit them in jail and cry about their treatment a la Van Hollen?
How much/many can you afford?RoadkillBBQ said:
How much should we be allowed to purchase?
What about firearms? How many is too many to own?
That's how much/many.
ExactlySlicer97 said:How much/many can you afford?RoadkillBBQ said:
How much should we be allowed to purchase?
What about firearms? How many is too many to own?
That's how much/many.
I am thinking the ammo dealer tipped off the ATF or FBI after the purchase or perhaps before. Two detectives stopping a car for failing to dim headlights is not very credible unless they were on a drug interdiction gig. Which incidentally, would fit that scenario. A major drug pipeline runs LA to LAS to SLC on I 15 and I 70 connecting eastward to Denver, as well as I 25 running north from ABQ.
“If you’re going to have crime it should at least be organized crime”
-Havelock Vetinari
-Havelock Vetinari
I just want to know the big question here...
What happens to all that seized ammo?!
(over here drooling)
What happens to all that seized ammo?!
(over here drooling)
It gets sent to the ATF to assist animal shelters with overcrowding issues.Eliminatus said:
I just want to know the big question here...
What happens to all that seized ammo?!
(over here drooling)
Since when do busboys and landscapers need so much ammo?
these are cancer researchersBiz Ag said:
Since when do busboys and landscapers need so much ammo?
That amount of that larger caliber ammunition is bluntly expensive.
Sort of a strange mix. I would think that if this load was headed south of the border it would be mostly 223/5.56 and 7.62. Do the Cartels use a lot of 308 chambered weapons ??Quote:
approximately 150 boxes of .308 ammunition and approximately 30 boxes of 7.62 ammunition
7.62x51 guns shoot .308 also. I use .223/556 for plinking. .308/ 7.62 to kill. 55 grains vs. 150/180 grain bullet.
Other way around. You can shoot 7.62 NATO in a rifle chambered for .308, which is a higher pressure round. Just like you can shoot .223 in something chambered for 5.56. Not a great idea to do it the other way around.Mas89 said:
7.62x51 guns shoot .308 also
I was thinking 7.62 x 39 which is generally used in AK/SKS weapons.Mas89 said:
7.62x51 guns shoot .308 also. I use .223/556 for plinking. .308/ 7.62 to kill. 55 grains vs. 150/180 grain bullet.
Still the question is do the Cartels use lots of 308 ? ? I would think they would mostly use 223/5.56 and 7.62x39.
Why?newbie11 said:
lol. If an American in another country on a visa tried to buy 180,000 rounds of ammo, they'd be arrested and deported.
It ought to be illegal in the US for anyone to purchase that much at one time.
PCC_80 said:I was thinking 7.62 x 39 which is generally used in AK/SKS weapons.Mas89 said:
7.62x51 guns shoot .308 also. I use .223/556 for plinking. .308/ 7.62 to kill. 55 grains vs. 150/180 grain bullet.
Still the question is do the Cartels use lots of 308 ? ? I would think they would mostly use 223/5.56 and 7.62x39.
Better penetration of vehicles and body armor. Forgot to add that Mexican armed forces had been formerly equipped with H&K G3 rifles; not sure what they carry now.
“If you’re going to have crime it should at least be organized crime”
-Havelock Vetinari
-Havelock Vetinari
Ammo: N+1RoadkillBBQ said:How much should we be allowed to purchase?newbie11 said:
lol. If an American in another country on a visa tried to buy 180,000 rounds of ammo, they'd be arrested and deported.
It ought to be illegal in the US for anyone to purchase that much at one time.
What about firearms? How many is too many to own?
Guns: also N+1
N = the number you currently own
+1 = the number you need to own
HTH.
Also, AR10s aren't that hard to come by and if one is familiar with the AR15, it's an easy transition.UTExan said:PCC_80 said:I was thinking 7.62 x 39 which is generally used in AK/SKS weapons.Mas89 said:
7.62x51 guns shoot .308 also. I use .223/556 for plinking. .308/ 7.62 to kill. 55 grains vs. 150/180 grain bullet.
Still the question is do the Cartels use lots of 308 ? ? I would think they would mostly use 223/5.56 and 7.62x39.
Better penetration of vehicles and body armor. Forgot to add that Mexican armed forces had been formerly equipped with H&K G3 rifles; not sure what they carry now.
.308 for scoped snipers, 7.62 for AR-10's.PCC_80 said:Sort of a strange mix. I would think that if this load was headed south of the border it would be mostly 223/5.56 and 7.62. Do the Cartels use a lot of 308 chambered weapons ??Quote:
approximately 150 boxes of .308 ammunition and approximately 30 boxes of 7.62 ammunition
The best way to keep evil men from wielding great power is to not create great power in the first place.
schmellba99 said:Ammo: N+1RoadkillBBQ said:How much should we be allowed to purchase?newbie11 said:
lol. If an American in another country on a visa tried to buy 180,000 rounds of ammo, they'd be arrested and deported.
It ought to be illegal in the US for anyone to purchase that much at one time.
What about firearms? How many is too many to own?
Guns: also N+1
N = the number you currently own
+1 = the number you need to own
HTH.
The number of guns you are allowed to own is equal to the number your wife lets you own plus the number that your wife doesn't need to know about.
Similar to ammo.
Fortunately most barrels that are chambered for civilian cartridges with military spec equivalents are designed and built for the higher pressure spec and can shoot both safely.
7.62x51? FN rifles and lots of light machine guns shoot that.
7.62x51? FN rifles and lots of light machine guns shoot that.
InfantryAg said:
18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B) and 922(y)(2); 27 CFR 478.11 and 478.32
An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing a firearm or ammunition unless the alien falls within one of the exceptions provided in 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(2), such as: a valid hunting license or permit, admitted for lawful hunting or sporting purposes, certain official representatives of a foreign government, or a foreign law enforcement officer of a friendly foreign government entering the United States on official law enforcement business.
Trump will fix it.
To help cure this problem, if we used two of the rounds to eliminate these dude, then there would only be 179,998 rounds left to deal with.
MouthBQ98 said:
Fortunately most barrels that are chambered for civilian cartridges with military spec equivalents are designed and built for the higher pressure spec and can shoot both safely.
7.62x51? FN rifles and lots of light machine guns shoot that.
Yep. You won't find many barrels chambered for 7.62 NATO or .223 Remington anymore. It's mainly .308 and 5.56 so that you can run whichever is cheaper/more available at any given time.
.308/7.62x51 is needed for anything beyond 500m.
I'm calling PETA....right now.....after I finish my Starbucks.Slicer97 said:It gets sent to the ATF to assist animal shelters with overcrowding issues.Eliminatus said:
I just want to know the big question here...
What happens to all that seized ammo?!
(over here drooling)
Maybe the ATF can assist with PETA too while I enjoy a ribeye with a side of ribs and a cheeseburger.
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