Buck Turgidson said:

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What kind of prepubescent fruit-bat uses terms like "FRUMP"?

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A very concerned moderate.

Washington Post reporting Trump has asked IRS to revoke Harvard's tax exempt status.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/04/16/trump-harvard-tax-exempt-irs/

akm91 said:

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Quit trying to turn yourself into a victim on this thread.

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This is what I despise the most, the victimhood mentality. The folks that are screaming DEI, DEI, DEI has so many more advantages than people like me; immigrated to the US (legally) and spoke no English. Yet despite these disadvantages, my family have been able to achieve the American dream.

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I find it interesting that we have a long history of universities fully understanding that if they take federal money they have to abide by federal rules.

But now it's the end of the world because the feds are demanding universities follow the rules.

Frump???????????????????????? LMAO are you 12 years old

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techno-ag said:

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tiggie said:

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Another completely ignorant move by this Govt Admin. If they think that they can buck the power and influence in money and financials that Harvard is well-rooted in, Then it's a story of complete and utter stupidity. Trump, an Ivy Leaguer, should recuse himself from the attacks on the Colleges and Universities that have been impacted the most, and all are stalwarts in power, influence and scholastic rating.

\Northwestern, Stanford, Columbia, Princeton, and now Harvard. I just wish in my business career I could have made such idiotic faux pas and still be in charge. Hell, my stockholders would have fired me ASAP. I like the ideas that Trump has, but the methiodal and implementation are that of someone that should know better and was a much better businessman.

It's like that economic idiot Navarro that is a close confidant, He's only a theoretical guy and Prof, with a limited amount of real world, economic experience. Always remember this stat the last time I checked; Economists are right 48% of the time. To put that in prosecutive, house odds in Vegas used to be 58 vs 42% in favor of the house.
Neither choice is positive for the player.

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Those schools have a right to that government moolah, huh? Just like those illegals have a right to vote and receive social security benefits.

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Frump is just another entitled rich kid from NYC who learned to bluff and bully his way through life. Look at it this way, his own Party is rebelling to a degree, and the amount of power he's trying to usurp can get done whatever they want. How many of the tariffs have been scaled bak or are on a hiatus for several months. Business cycle is always poor during the end of the 2nd and most of the 3rdQ, so why have the hiatus tariffs go into effect to further exacerbate a bad period? Smoot-Hawley was repealed in 1934 because it was an abject failure, and yet here we are trying to resurrect a dead Horse. You need a reality check by working in NYC. It's its own World just like Californication and you would find out about bullying and bluffing in business.

Look at the short position taken by 1 Hedge Fund Manager against 1 of Trump's premier assets for 100+ million.

iF FRUMP is so adapt at business, business negotiations, and how businesses are run, why has he declared and bankrupted several businesses?

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Poster is not more than 12 years old. That's what I took from this superficial diatribe.

HoustonAg9999 said:

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Frump???????????????????????? LMAO are you 12 years old

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I kid you not, I hadn't read your post.

It's weird how we look at a post and subconsciously gauge the age of the poster based on content.

Personally I think Harvard should be left to their own self imposed destruction. A Harvard undergraduate degree has been losing prestige for many years now due to DEI and other woke policies.

I agree, and while I realize this is a third rail subject, I think if Jews stop going/supporting them long term as they further embrace anti-semitism, it will hurt them even more.

A tiny demographic, net, but highly influential, wealthy, and, well…not exactly stupid. I have no idea how many/what share of their graduates are ethnically jewish, but I'd swag it is around 10 percent.

Harvard researchers in the hard sciences need to pick up and head elsewhere. Funding follows them - the new free speech school in Austin would be a good start.

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In a round about way a conflict as he is attacking rival Schools to his Wharton School of Business. I don't think the School with the greatest endowment should get a dime either. I would just be a lot more subtle about it. If Ivy League schools should be cut off, what about Little Frump's School?

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So Trump is forcing Harvard to stick to racial discrimination against federal law in a roundabout way, as well?

It doesn't make any more ontological sense than claiming Obama by going after the Little Sisters of the Poor was picking on Satan's rivals, and is just as legally irrelevant.

AtlantaGaAggie said:

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You're not funding leftists. You're funding scientific research. Maybe their ideology is left- I don't know. What I know is I care about their discoveries.

Their research enabled using a pig's kidney in a human last year which is huge because we never have enough organs available. Unfortunately they did have to take it out after 130 days but they learned a lot and maybe the next time it goes even better..

Their research was a breakthrough is GLB1 and that has helped tens of thousands of Americans with obesity.

Their research has helped discover news ways to diagnose Alzheimer's earlier.

I'm only doing some cursory googling to find this.

Their research benefits tons of Americans.

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We should be paying a Chinese laboratory to do this research /sarcasm

Update:

BREAKING pic.twitter.com/yE5Lz57QtU

— Election Wizard (@ElectionWiz) May 2, 2025

Good.

One thing about him. Trump keeps swinging. It is good to have a President that knows how to play by the left's rules and isn't afraid to take the fight to them and stay on offense.

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With a 53 billion dollar endowment, Harvard shouldn't be getting a dime of federal funding.

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The only thing I could think when I saw that is why tf are we giving any university $2B? SMH. Make this freeze permanent. Take it away from the others also.

Update: Sec. McMahon to Harvard; don't bother applying for more grants.

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While universities like Harvard have some legal arguments regarding termination, there is almost no right to renewal or to new grants. I've made this point time and again in the past few weeks during media interviews.

Secretary of Education Linda McMahon just issued a statement telling Harvard not to apply for new grants. Period.

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"This letter is to inform you that Harvard should no longer seek GRANTS from the federal government, since none will be provided. Harvard will cease to be a publicly funded institution, and can instead operate as a privately-funded institution, drawing on its colossal endowment, and raising money from its large base of wealthy alumni. You have an approximately $53 Billion head start, much of which was made possible by the fact that you are living within the walls of, and benefiting from, the prosperity secured by the United States of America and its free-market system you teach your students to despise."

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Well put. Now their hedge fund should lose tax exempt status as well.

AtlantaGaAggie said:

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You're not funding leftists. You're funding scientific research. Maybe their ideology is left- I don't know. What I know is I care about their discoveries.

Their research enabled using a pig's kidney in a human last year which is huge because we never have enough organs available. Unfortunately they did have to take it out after 130 days but they learned a lot and maybe the next time it goes even better..

Their research was a breakthrough is GLB1 and that has helped tens of thousands of Americans with obesity.

Their research has helped discover news ways to diagnose Alzheimer's earlier.

I'm only doing some cursory googling to find this.

Their research benefits tons of Americans.

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One correction is needed here.

It's the researchers, not Harvard who are doing these studies.

If Harvard loses out on the grants, and it becomes clear to the researchers that they won't get grants while at Harvard, they will go elsewhere for those same grants.

Harvard has to decide whether it wants to be a woke cesspool that loses its research arm or if it wants to be a normal school and retain its research arm.

The faculty can and should move if Harvard is the cause of them losing grants.

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AtlantaGaAggie said:

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You're not funding leftists. You're funding scientific research. Maybe their ideology is left- I don't know. What I know is I care about their discoveries.

Their research enabled using a pig's kidney in a human last year which is huge because we never have enough organs available. Unfortunately they did have to take it out after 130 days but they learned a lot and maybe the next time it goes even better..

Their research was a breakthrough is GLB1 and that has helped tens of thousands of Americans with obesity.

Their research has helped discover news ways to diagnose Alzheimer's earlier.

I'm only doing some cursory googling to find this.

Their research benefits tons of Americans.

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One correction is needed here.

It's the researchers, not Harvard who are doing these studies.

If Harvard loses out on the grants, and it becomes clear to the researchers that they won't get grants while at Harvard, they will go elsewhere for those same grants.

Harvard has to decide whether it wants to be a woke cesspool that loses its research arm or if it wants to be a normal school and retain its research arm.

The faculty can and should move if Harvard is the cause of them losing grants.

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Normally when faculty are seeking tenure they will show evidence of publishing in the prestigious journals of their field. They may show that they edited a chapter book that was published. And they will have one or more major federal grants under their belt.

Being the lead on a grant is quite prestigious and provides income to the institution. Losing access to federal grants is more devastating to the school than it is to the faculty.

techno-ag said:

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AgLiving06 said:

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AtlantaGaAggie said:

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You're not funding leftists. You're funding scientific research. Maybe their ideology is left- I don't know. What I know is I care about their discoveries.

Their research enabled using a pig's kidney in a human last year which is huge because we never have enough organs available. Unfortunately they did have to take it out after 130 days but they learned a lot and maybe the next time it goes even better..

Their research was a breakthrough is GLB1 and that has helped tens of thousands of Americans with obesity.

Their research has helped discover news ways to diagnose Alzheimer's earlier.

I'm only doing some cursory googling to find this.

Their research benefits tons of Americans.

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One correction is needed here.

It's the researchers, not Harvard who are doing these studies.

If Harvard loses out on the grants, and it becomes clear to the researchers that they won't get grants while at Harvard, they will go elsewhere for those same grants.

Harvard has to decide whether it wants to be a woke cesspool that loses its research arm or if it wants to be a normal school and retain its research arm.

The faculty can and should move if Harvard is the cause of them losing grants.

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Normally when faculty are seeking tenure they will show evidence of publishing in the prestigious journals of their field. They may show that they edited a chapter book that was published. And they will have one or more major federal grants under their belt.

Being the lead on a grant is quite prestigious and provides income to the institution. Losing access to federal grants is more devastating to the school than it is to the faculty.

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Agree. That's my point. The research won't go away in general. It just may go away from Harvard, but that is Harvard's choice.

Stay woke or be a research college.

The endowment gave the university 2.6B this year. That's a lot of money.

Should just call it what it is. " Soros U ".

So this might actually drive more revenue/research to Aggieland. Good stuff.

Harvard is a private corp. If they want Fed money, they need to show ROI. The money is not for their woke parties and Jihadi conferences.

Yeah because TAMU is only slightly less Marxist than Harvard. Maybe we can be the tallest m****et. Yay TAMU!

Hogties said:

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Yeah because TAMU is only slightly less Marxist than Harvard. Maybe we can be the tallest m****et. Yay TAMU!

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You might be happy or sad to learn A&M has moved pretty far up the research ranks lately. If the ivy leagues take themselves out of the running for future grants that is great news for A&M.

I don't think the research itself is really related to Marxism/communism, it's an insistence on religious orthodoxy from the left about racism/discrimination that is driving this decision from the crimson idiots. More smart researchers doing work in town can only be good for Texas A&M.

nortex97 said:

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Yeah because TAMU is only slightly less Marxist than Harvard. Maybe we can be the tallest m****et. Yay TAMU!

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You might be happy or sad to learn A&M has moved pretty far up the research ranks lately. If the ivy leagues take themselves out of the running for future grants that is great news for A&M.

I don't think the research itself is really related to Marxism/communism, it's an insistence on religious orthodoxy from the left about racism/discrimination that is driving this decision from the crimson idiots. More smart researchers doing work in town can only be good for Texas A&M.

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A&M Ranks 14th In Total U.S. Research and Development Expenditures, Outpaces Other Texas Universities

Texas A&M University's latest ranking shows an almost 19 percent increase despite academic institutions' slowest R&D growth in four years.

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Expenditure. But how to rank Research output? That is what is important. They may be spending money and partying and living it up on public money.

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Yeah because TAMU is only slightly less Marxist than Harvard. Maybe we can be the tallest m****et. Yay TAMU!

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I also fear A&M sold its soul (and athletic department) for fed dollars and contracts, among other things., over the last two decades or so. Glad sharp is out and now maybe we can do a little repentance.

Im joking about the AD, but something is going on there...

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One correction is needed here.

It's the researchers, not Harvard who are doing these studies.

If Harvard loses out on the grants, and it becomes clear to the researchers that they won't get grants while at Harvard, they will go elsewhere for those same grants.

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The grants are absolutely for the institution as well as the researchers. A percentage of each grant goes directly to the institution. This is for infrastructure, material, basic administration etc.

Researchers need these things, as well as the logistical system to acquire what they need for the projects. You can't just move researchers around.

Not a debate on the politics of it, but there shouldn't be an impression that it's no big deal regarding the actual research. Much of it will just have to stop or not get done.

nortex97 said:

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So this might actually drive more revenue/research to Aggieland. Good stuff.

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Maybe if we can pry DEI out of A&M's fingers

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nortex97 said:

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So this might actually drive more revenue/research to Aggieland. Good stuff.

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Maybe if we can pry DEI out of A&M's fingers

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Man, I got the harshness over my optimism here. I will scale it back, no worries guys.

techno-ag said:

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AgLiving06 said:

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Harvard has to decide whether it wants to be a woke cesspool that loses its research arm or if it wants to be a normal school and retain its research arm.

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Normally when faculty are seeking tenure they will show evidence of publishing in the prestigious journals of their field. They may show that they edited a chapter book that was published. And they will have one or more major federal grants under their belt.

Being the lead on a grant is quite prestigious and provides income to the institution. Losing access to federal grants is more devastating to the school than it is to the faculty.

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If you make the correct decision from the first quote, then the second quote can naturally follow.

See, it can be simple.

Has there ever been a more recently racist university than Harvard?

https://www.city-journal.org/article/harvard-university-discrimination-dei-hiring-trump

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The Trump administration has escalated its battle with Harvard University, freezing all future grants and threatening to strip the school's tax-exempt status. In response, Harvard has adopted some conciliatory measures - rebranding its DEI office and cancelling its racially segregated graduation ceremonies - but, behind the scenes, the university's discrimination machine continues to operate at full capacity.

We've obtained a trove of internal documents that reveal Harvard's racial favoritism in faculty and administrative hiring. The university's DEI programs are more than "unconscious bias" training. They are vectors for systematic discrimination against disfavored groups: namely, white men. As one Harvard researcher told us, "endless evidence" suggests that the university continues to discriminate against the supposed oppressor class in hiring and promotions.
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These policies, while contemptible, are no secret on campus. According to the Harvard researcher, the university's current hiring policies - for staff, administrative, and faculty positions - are deliberately discriminatory. "Harvard has strayed from its foundational mission of unbiased truth-seeking and has instead become ideologically driven," the researcher said. "This is a totally corrupted institution."

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Devastating.

Yes they've lost all that funding but oddly enough just "discovered" that their $30.00 garage sale copy of the Magna Carta is an original.

Why sure.

Wearer of the Ring said:

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Yes they've lost all that funding but oddly enough just "discovered" that their $30.00 garage sale copy of the Magna Carta is an original.

Why sure.

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Haha!

Quite the coincidence!