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KingofHazor said:

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The headline is disingenuous.

They withdrew the nomination, and another one was withdrawn a week or two ago. The Senate never rejected either one of them.

Also, this is due to the likelihood that the Republicans will lose FL-6 in the special election next week.

The Democrats have won every special election since November except one, and that one the Republican won by about 4%, in a district Trump carried overwhelmingly.

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There's an election soon in Wisconsin for a State Supreme Court spot. The polls show the D with an 8-10 pt. lead primarily because R's and Trump voters simply don't care and aren't planning on voting. If that's correct, then there's a real problem in that conservatism has no real momentum or support without Trump on the ticket.

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Exactly, which is why MAGA is a dead end.

When Trump is gone, MAGA goes with him and all of the people only voting for him go back to not voting at all.

All of the other special election losses save one (heavily Democrat district) were because Republicans simply are not turning out at all. They think since Trump won that it's over and no need to vote again.

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A rational person would see this as the GOP is the dead end and conservatives are not enthused to vote for the same old status quo. Also, Democrats and their voters are incompatible with conservative ideology due to their enthusiasm for continuous voting left regardless of how far left their "leaders" move the overton window.

But sure keep pretending that going back to the old way is the best long term plan rather than face the reality that the people are seeing the GOP for the farce that it is. And no this is not an endorsement that Trump is the future. He's just the symptom due to the GOP's failures.

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THIS

GOP- E has just rolled over and 'gone along' so often, that all enthusiasm was gone by 2015. Like him or not Trump has been the only force seeming willing to fight when got the Executive since Reagan. What many say is voting Trump is really anti-Left and yes that task and torch can be passed on. But there is not much interest in the old passive ways. That would never have won the likes of Elon and Rogan over and so many others.

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MAGA will carry on. Reagan redefined conservatives and now Trump is. It will last a long time. The two parties changed places on who supports their parties. And the two party's values aren't going back to the 89's while the middle class distrusts governments so much.

Government will have to be defanged a whole bunch more. Trends…Censoring one party by the state which funded the orgs and social media to do their bidding. Covid. Millions of illegals. Loss of manufacturing. Trillions in deficits. China growing as a real threat to US hegemony. An increase in faith amongst young people. The dying off of the boomer generation which demanded all of the government programs that need to be redirected. Collapse of single white males with high suicides, shrinking involvement in college education and employment. The growing gap between the tech rich people and the rest of society. Etc.

It's will take time, but the foundation for winning post Trump is most certainly getting poured. Once the state level internal party fights are settled and people start focusing on quality candidate recruitment you will likely see stronger showings of voter turnout with the "MAGA" voter.

Certainly all of it still influx with some ?????. I'm sure neocons hope this fizzles out like Tea Party, but a lot smarter people with much deeper pockets are now on the MAGA train. I would not count them out in developing staying power beyond the next 4 years.

As far as Elise. She's the most conservative you are going to get in that district. Running someone even more conservative than her would not end well. It is what it is. Conservative Philosophical Purity tests don't win elections in places like NY. Not yet anyway.

policywonk98 said:

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It's will take time, but the foundation for winning post Trump is most certainly getting poured. Once the state level internal party fights are settled and people start focusing on quality candidate recruitment you will likely see stronger showings of voter turnout with the "MAGA" voter.

Certainly all of it still influx with some ?????. I'm sure neocons hope this fizzles out like Tea Party, but a lot smarter people with much deeper pockets are now on the MAGA train. I would not count them out in developing staying power beyond the next 4 years.

As far as Elise. She's the most conservative you are going to get in that district. Running someone even more conservative than her would not end well. It is what it is. Conservative Philosophical Purity tests don't win elections in places like NY. Not yet anyway.

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That's how also see it. The brand of officials willing to fight and dig in is in vogue not just with the new right but also some of the center left. Its much more American than European style passivity to government over-reach. The-just-hate-Trump-at-any-cost group doesn't understand how much of his backing is also simply anti Left, anti-statist, anti gender dysphoria and anti-MSM. And skeptical of interventionist wars. All those are starting to draw together. Its doubtful its going away back to a Kristol type mode.

WestAustinAg is also probably right about that observation that oddly enough the two parties seem to have switched who they seek the support of. The Democrats have gone all in on a more `Like Europe' and with the global elite and powerful and grievance politics as well as just massive governing /press class self-enrichment at all's expense. The GOP floundered for a time but seems to be swinging to full acceptance of representing the Middle class and traditional outlook more. The talking head chatter about some of them being billionaires too, miss that they are not ones that got their $$ by being politicians and grifting. They were businessmen first, so a different kind of `rich'. A productive kind, rather than the move money around kind (or worse parasitical as in US AID).

The Pennsylvania seat got everyones attention since it sits smack in red zone.

So when do we boot the UN out of US?

Can't happen soon enough for moi!

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Conservatives lack an activist political base that lives for this stuff, and turns out for important special elections.

In this respect, conservatives are LAZY and get what they deserve when they fail to do the necessary work.

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It isn't that they're lazy; it's that they don't trust other politicians who've been running on these same things for decades yet nothing gets done.

Look, did Trump get a LOT of conservative things accomplished in his first term? No, but he didn't get bought out and become a part of the "system" (whatever that ends up meaning). He was hounded and prosecuted because of that.

Ted Cruz gets a lot of flack from the media and the left, but has he or Mike Lee ever been prosecuted? Have there been serious attempts at removing them from office? I like both, but let's face it, whether they're entrenched or not, we've seen nothing from them like we've seen from Trump -- especially in the last 3 months. I think both Cruz and Lee tend to play the game at least a little. Trump doesn't.

Trump is different and people see that.

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Trump is "different" because he is president. Lee and Cruz aren't. They can't do much by themselves in the Senate.

This is good. That was a bad decision anyway to take one of the very few actual conservatives from NY in congress.

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This is good. That was a bad decision anyway to take one of the very few actual conservatives from NY in congress.

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Not sure if serious

Given how the pendulum swings it is hubris to take members of congress for presidential appointment jobs and run the risk of losing a special election.