Took the words from my mouth.BrazosDog02 said:
Anyone that supports degradation of rights for some supposed increase in security is an enemy of me and my country.
backintexas2013 said:
It hasn't been implemented and nobody has said this is how it's going.
By the way I love that Trump is breaking down our liberties like no other president did that. What a joke.
Surrounding the house is no longer a pursuit, that's a barricaded person and still keeps the homeowners in anger.txyaloo said:No, he's not free from pursuit. LE surrounds the house, calls their magistrate they already have available 24/7 to issue warrants for DWI blood draws, and get them to sign a warrant to enter the house. If they can have a magistrate on standby 24/7 to draw your blood, they can do the same to enter your house.InfantryAg said:So if an active shooter runs into a random house, he is free from pursuit. Hopefully the homeowners are not there to become the next victims.Quote:
Federal agents should never be able to enter a home, citizen or not, without a warrant. I think most exigent circumstances including "hot pursuit" should go away too.
if you want in someone's home, get a warrant.
Obviously there are exigencies where that isn't possible (house is occupied and active shooter runs in), and all of those can't possibly be documented, but too many LE don't believe in the protections granted by the 4th.
I used to be very pro LE, but the last 5 years of defund the police seems to have reduced the candidate pool for good officers. I've seen way too many body cam videos over the last 5 years of just completely unhinged LE violating peoples rights. We give up way too many rights and freedoms in the search for "safety".
rgvag11 said:Lawyers with the Trump administration have determined that Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents can enter homes without a warrant under the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, according to reports. https://t.co/as5VmiDZ7k
— NEWSMAX (@NEWSMAX) March 21, 2025
senior Justice Department lawyers are interpreting the act as a free pass for immigration officials to enter homes without warrants in order to search for suspected "alien enemies."
https://people.com/trump-alien-enemies-act-ice-raids-without-warrant-11700762
I think if you care about freedom and the power that governments have to deprive people of their freedoms throughout history, then this should be a bridge too far. Judicial oversight is an important backstop.
The Feds have the right to enter a house and ARREST an illegal alien. It does not give them the right to search the house. There are exceptions to that so LE can make the arrest safely, but an all out search is not allowed.Im Gipper said:MouthBQ98 said:
Illegals do have rights, they are just limited to a certain subset that are basic constitutional rights for all human beings under the authority of our government. If they are hostile agents however, those rights are limited in the context of any ongoing threat to the USA. This might mean they can be pursued or sought on private property without protection if they are engaged in ongoing threatening activities.
What about the rights of the homeowner?
What exactly is your plan for mass deportations? How long will it take to get a warrant for every single one of them? How long for them to get their full "due process" in court? If they hide until Trump is gone, what then? Are you confident this mass deportation push will continue?Pantera said:Took the words from my mouth.BrazosDog02 said:
Anyone that supports degradation of rights for some supposed increase in security is an enemy of me and my country.
Taking away freedom in the name of freedom.
Can't believe some of the MAGA crowd is actually defending this. Makes me know where their true allegiances lie.
I have no empathy for foreign invaders.KillerAg21 said:
You should absolutely care how it's done. One for being a human being with empathy and and hopefully some sense of compassion, and the other because the government has always misused this law in particular
KillerAg21 said:
You should absolutely care how it's done. One for being a human being with empathy and and hopefully some sense of compassion, and the other because the government has always misused this law in particular
Two explicit lies to open your post is wild.KillerAg21 said:
Deportations have been common for decades. Biden deported more than I think Trump ever did. I don't agree with most of it and I think the process for people to become tax paying residents should be easier and more efficient. You do realize these people are human beings just like you? That most are productive members of society? Why do you not care to see them as people?
This take, along with several other like it, have big "govern me harder, daddy" vibes to it.gbaby23 said:I have no empathy for foreign invaders.KillerAg21 said:
You should absolutely care how it's done. One for being a human being with empathy and and hopefully some sense of compassion, and the other because the government has always misused this law in particular
The government has been overreaching on every one of our rights for decades, but now that we are actually getting deportations you throw a hissy fit? I don't care. I want them gone.
Biden has fewer net deportations and fewer gross interior deportations. His number is inflated by border turnaways counted under Title 42. These turnaways do not even get processed to the point of record under an enforced border.KillerAg21 said:
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record
So by that logic, the only people who should be on this land are Native Americans? Israel should vacate Palestine, and African Americans should all be sent back to their countries of origin.
So since you don't care about humanitarian, they could all be shot and put in a ditch and you wouldn't care that the government was doing that?
I see them as people. People who came here illegally and need to be returned to their country of origin post haste.KillerAg21 said:
Deportations have been common for decades. Biden deported more than I think Trump ever did. I don't agree with most of it and I think the process for people to become tax paying residents should be easier and more efficient. You do realize these people are human beings just like you? That most are productive members of society? Why do you not care to see them as people?
I am not a conservative, the Constitution has already been defiled and used to facilitate a massive foreign invasion, and good luck processing 50 million warrants and court cases.HTownAg98 said:This take, along with several other like it, have big "govern me harder, daddy" vibes to it.gbaby23 said:I have no empathy for foreign invaders.KillerAg21 said:
You should absolutely care how it's done. One for being a human being with empathy and and hopefully some sense of compassion, and the other because the government has always misused this law in particular
The government has been overreaching on every one of our rights for decades, but now that we are actually getting deportations you throw a hissy fit? I don't care. I want them gone.
This isn't difficult. If you want to remove an illegal alien from a residence, go get a warrant. The amount of so-called conservatives here that are willing to handwave away the parts of the constitution standing in their way is troubling.
Hugo Boss just called and was asking for your measurements.Quote:
I want the foreigners gone. I don't care how it is done.
They have them on file already.pagerman @ work said:Hugo Boss just called and was asking for your measurements.Quote:
I want the foreigners gone. I don't care how it is done.
gbaby23 said:I am not a conservative, the Constitution has already been defiled and used to facilitate a massive foreign invasion, and good luck processing 50 million warrants and court cases.HTownAg98 said:This take, along with several other like it, have big "govern me harder, daddy" vibes to it.gbaby23 said:I have no empathy for foreign invaders.KillerAg21 said:
You should absolutely care how it's done. One for being a human being with empathy and and hopefully some sense of compassion, and the other because the government has always misused this law in particular
The government has been overreaching on every one of our rights for decades, but now that we are actually getting deportations you throw a hissy fit? I don't care. I want them gone.
This isn't difficult. If you want to remove an illegal alien from a residence, go get a warrant. The amount of so-called conservatives here that are willing to handwave away the parts of the constitution standing in their way is troubling.
InfantryAg said:Surrounding the house is no longer a pursuit, that's a barricaded person and still keeps the homeowners in anger.txyaloo said:No, he's not free from pursuit. LE surrounds the house, calls their magistrate they already have available 24/7 to issue warrants for DWI blood draws, and get them to sign a warrant to enter the house. If they can have a magistrate on standby 24/7 to draw your blood, they can do the same to enter your house.InfantryAg said:So if an active shooter runs into a random house, he is free from pursuit. Hopefully the homeowners are not there to become the next victims.Quote:
Federal agents should never be able to enter a home, citizen or not, without a warrant. I think most exigent circumstances including "hot pursuit" should go away too.
if you want in someone's home, get a warrant.
Obviously there are exigencies where that isn't possible (house is occupied and active shooter runs in), and all of those can't possibly be documented, but too many LE don't believe in the protections granted by the 4th.
I used to be very pro LE, but the last 5 years of defund the police seems to have reduced the candidate pool for good officers. I've seen way too many body cam videos over the last 5 years of just completely unhinged LE violating peoples rights. We give up way too many rights and freedoms in the search for "safety".
And you contradicted yourself.
And your way too many bodycams is statistically insignificant. It would be great if we could eliminate all LE overreaches, but it would also be great if we could limit medical malpractice, which kills or maims lots of people every year. I used to be pro doctor, but far too many cases of malpractice; Those unsafe doctors!
gbaby23 said:
Yes, I have.
Article IV, Section 4 - Protection Against Invasion
A majority of the Bill of Rights has been defiled for citizens, but we should give foreign invaders every Constitutional protection supposedly reserved for citizens based on a loose interpretation of 14A used by progressive activists?
Deport them all as quickly as possible by any means necessary.
100%rgvag11 said:gbaby23 said:
Yes, I have.
Article IV, Section 4 - Protection Against Invasion
A majority of the Bill of Rights has been defiled for citizens, but we should give foreign invaders every Constitutional protection supposedly reserved for citizens based on a loose interpretation of 14A used by progressive activists?
Deport them all as quickly as possible by any means necessary.
That would imply that the foreigners have a hostile intent towards the United States.
Do you believe that?
As I've stated many times, the Constitution says "people," not "citizens" in the Bill of Rights. If you can show the group how illegal aliens have more rights than US citizens, I'm open to that (hint: you won't be able to, but I'm willing allow you to waste your time trying).gbaby23 said:
Yes, I have.
Article IV, Section 4 - Protection Against Invasion
A majority of the Bill of Rights has been defiled for citizens, but we should give foreign invaders every Constitutional protection supposedly reserved for citizens based on a loose interpretation of 14A used by progressive activists?
Deport them all as quickly as possible by any means necessary.
The Constitution wasn't written to make things easy for the government. It's quite the opposite, in fact.gbaby23 said:I am not a conservative, the Constitution has already been defiled and used to facilitate a massive foreign invasion, and good luck processing 50 million warrants and court cases.HTownAg98 said:This take, along with several other like it, have big "govern me harder, daddy" vibes to it.gbaby23 said:I have no empathy for foreign invaders.KillerAg21 said:
You should absolutely care how it's done. One for being a human being with empathy and and hopefully some sense of compassion, and the other because the government has always misused this law in particular
The government has been overreaching on every one of our rights for decades, but now that we are actually getting deportations you throw a hissy fit? I don't care. I want them gone.
This isn't difficult. If you want to remove an illegal alien from a residence, go get a warrant. The amount of so-called conservatives here that are willing to handwave away the parts of the constitution standing in their way is troubling.
It actually says "the People" and not just people, referring to "We the People of the United States" of which is an explicit declaration that these rights and declarations are for a specific people described. Unless you are naturalized via Article 1, you are not included in "the People" or their "Posterity"HTownAg98 said:As I've stated many times, the Constitution says "people," not "citizens" in the Bill of Rights. If you can show the group how illegal aliens have more rights than US citizens, I'm open to that (hint: you won't be able to, but I'm willing allow you to waste your time trying).gbaby23 said:
Yes, I have.
Article IV, Section 4 - Protection Against Invasion
A majority of the Bill of Rights has been defiled for citizens, but we should give foreign invaders every Constitutional protection supposedly reserved for citizens based on a loose interpretation of 14A used by progressive activists?
Deport them all as quickly as possible by any means necessary.
HTownAg98 said:This take, along with several other like it, have big "govern me harder, daddy" vibes to it.gbaby23 said:I have no empathy for foreign invaders.KillerAg21 said:
You should absolutely care how it's done. One for being a human being with empathy and and hopefully some sense of compassion, and the other because the government has always misused this law in particular
The government has been overreaching on every one of our rights for decades, but now that we are actually getting deportations you throw a hissy fit? I don't care. I want them gone.
This isn't difficult. If you want to remove an illegal alien from a residence, go get a warrant. The amount of so-called conservatives here that are willing to handwave away the parts of the constitution standing in their way is troubling.
Well, I wish they would follow the Constitution. I guess it does not matter until foreigners are being removed though.HTownAg98 said:The Constitution wasn't written to make things easy for the government. It's quite the opposite, in fact.gbaby23 said:I am not a conservative, the Constitution has already been defiled and used to facilitate a massive foreign invasion, and good luck processing 50 million warrants and court cases.HTownAg98 said:This take, along with several other like it, have big "govern me harder, daddy" vibes to it.gbaby23 said:I have no empathy for foreign invaders.KillerAg21 said:
You should absolutely care how it's done. One for being a human being with empathy and and hopefully some sense of compassion, and the other because the government has always misused this law in particular
The government has been overreaching on every one of our rights for decades, but now that we are actually getting deportations you throw a hissy fit? I don't care. I want them gone.
This isn't difficult. If you want to remove an illegal alien from a residence, go get a warrant. The amount of so-called conservatives here that are willing to handwave away the parts of the constitution standing in their way is troubling.
