Pyramids might not be you've been taught. What now?

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TheHulkster
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Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking about during this thread. While fascinating to me, and I binged that show, it is a bit depressing tbh. Even what the show presented as the very final physical remnant of humanity, Mt. Rushmore, gets smoothed out by erosion after only a few million years IIRC.

So post-extinction, and in timeframes more or less insignificant against the age of this planet, the proof humans ever existed would come down to not much more than Mt. Rushmore, microplastics, mercury and lead pollution, and finally, radioactive isotopes.
IIIHorn
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Who are "they" and how have "they" been misleading "us"?
Im Gipper
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IIIHorn said:

Who are "they" and how have "they" been misleading "us"?
Maybe he is talking about the people in the Txeet he posted! lol


I'm Gipper
titan
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TheHulkster said:

Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking about during this thread. While fascinating to me, and I binged that show, it is a bit depressing tbh. Even what the show presented as the very final physical remnant of humanity, Mt. Rushmore, gets smoothed out by erosion after only a few million years IIRC.

So post-extinction, and in timeframes more or less insignificant against the age of this planet, the proof humans ever existed would come down to not much more than Mt. Rushmore, microplastics, mercury and lead pollution, and finally, radioactive isotopes.
Interesting point about Rushmore. (And similar mountain carvings). Yet like in this potential case here, I think some of the underground traces might linger even longer than that. Not in a way obvious except to a futurist scientist -- the hallmarks of non-accidental design and layout.
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IIIHorn said:

Who are "they" and how have "they" been misleading "us"?
You've never heard of Dr. Thaddeus They?
titan
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Daddy said:

Genesis chapter 6
The book of Enoch

The history pre flood nobody has any recorded knowledge but we know based on the scripture there was and there was some monumental knowledge.

Many people now believe the Sphinx has water erosion it was probably created much longer before the original thought
That's a little spooky and creepy to think that the Sphinx would be a remnant from the divine will destroyed culture. I guess it depends on what level of architecture and science you thought those had gotten to.
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Im Gipper said:

IIIHorn said:

Who are "they" and how have "they" been misleading "us"?
Maybe he is talking about the people in the Txeet he posted! lol



Then why did he put the word they in quotes?
Stat Monitor Repairman
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schmellba99 said:

Who is the guy that posits the theory that the Sphinx is actually around 15,000 years old based on erosion lines? Maybe he is onto something.


Guy has a Ph.D. in Geology and Geophysics and mile long CV.
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Rates today same as rates in the past assumption.
I hate tu. It's in my blood.
redsquirrelAG
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The simulation is real.
Farmer1906
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Daddy said:

Genesis chapter 6
The book of Enoch

The history pre flood nobody has any recorded knowledge but we know based on the scripture there was and there was some monumental knowledge.

Many people now believe the Sphinx has water erosion it was probably created much longer before the original thought
Enoch is not scripture. It was written much later than the life of Enoch.
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Daddy said:

Genesis chapter 6
The book of Enoch

The history pre flood nobody has any recorded knowledge but we know based on the scripture there was and there was some monumental knowledge.

Many people now believe the Sphinx has water erosion it was probably created much longer before the original thought


only about 2300 between creation and the flood. Not much history there relatively speaking.
Nanomachines son
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I have always thought something was weird about things like this. Pre-Flood civilization and tech were much higher than we think.
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Farmer1906 said:

Daddy said:

Genesis chapter 6
The book of Enoch

The history pre flood nobody has any recorded knowledge but we know based on the scripture there was and there was some monumental knowledge.

Many people now believe the Sphinx has water erosion it was probably created much longer before the original thought
Enoch is not scripture. It was written much later than the life of Enoch.


Enoch III?
titan
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Nanomachines son said:



I have always thought something was weird about things like this. Pre-Flood civilization and tech were much higher than we think.
Yes. That's part of what call the "just file it under may be something to Atlantis myth".


"Prometheus" had a pretty sinister take on all those common glyphs. (Not mocking, just noting)

But on the other hand, as sophisticated as that looks in some ways, it definitely does not look higher than
even our high middle ages let alone now. Carvings in rock and the like. On the other hand, the whole point of part of the discussion is if too much time has passed very little would be left.

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BigRobSA said:

Farmer1906 said:

Daddy said:

Genesis chapter 6
The book of Enoch

The history pre flood nobody has any recorded knowledge but we know based on the scripture there was and there was some monumental knowledge.

Many people now believe the Sphinx has water erosion it was probably created much longer before the original thought
Enoch is not scripture. It was written much later than the life of Enoch.


Enoch III?
Revenge of the Elohim?

Even later. Early medieval.
No Spin Ag
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Nanomachines son said:



I have always thought something was weird about things like this. Pre-Flood civilization and tech were much higher than we think.


And there was more contact between the civilizations than was thought, and maybe still is.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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Nanomachines son said:



I have always thought something was weird about things like this. Pre-Flood civilization and tech were much higher than we think.
How did they all draw the same thing?
titan
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SidetrackAg said:

Nanomachines son said:



I have always thought something was weird about things like this. Pre-Flood civilization and tech were much higher than we think.
How did they all draw the same thing?
There are some lesser possibilities, but the two up front and most (normally) logical ones are provocative.

A) They either had considerable global contact/exchange

B) They all saw the same thing and "drew" it as best they could.

Neither version fits conventional anthropological or historical timelines with all that means.
Krombopulos Michael
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Most people just blow off references to the pre-flood era for whatever reasons they can come up with. But we can just ignore the parts of human history we don't understand.


If you are a true blue believing Christian (Jew and Muslim for that matter), the devil, his cohorts and giants are as real Jesus, Abraham, and Moses.

Read the Book of Enoch (actually probably an easier listen on Audible or YouTube....it's a tough read). It details the whole fallen angel story.....


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In the Book of Enoch, particularly in the 1 Enoch (or The Ethiopic Book of Enoch), a group of fallen angels, known as the Watchers, descend to Earth and impart forbidden knowledge to humanity. These angels are described as having corrupted humanity in various ways, including teaching humans forbidden arts, leading them astray, and initiating sins that lead to the corruption of both the spiritual and physical world. The most well-known section discussing the Watchers is in 1 Enoch 6-16. Below is a list of some of the primary fallen angels mentioned in the Book of Enoch, along with their roles and the relevant chapters and verses:
1. Azazel
  • Role: Azazel is one of the main leaders of the fallen angels and is primarily responsible for teaching humanity the art of warfare, the use of weaponry, and the crafting of weapons of war. He also teaches humans the art of cosmetics, which is considered a corruption of the natural order.
  • Corruption: Azazel's teachings led humans into violence, destruction, and vanity. According to 1 Enoch 8:1-3, Azazel's influence was directly responsible for teaching men how to make weapons, and in 1 Enoch 8:1, it is said he "taught men to make swords, knives, shields, and breastplates."
  • Chapter and Verse: 1 Enoch 8:1-3, 1 Enoch 10:6-8 (where Azazel is blamed for teaching humanity sin and the arts of war).
2. Semyaza
  • Role: Semyaza is one of the chief leaders of the Watchers who leads the group of fallen angels that descend to Earth. He is the one who initially proposes the idea of taking human wives and leading the rebellion against God. He is held accountable for leading the rebellion.
  • Corruption: Semyaza's role in the corruption of humanity is primarily related to his leadership in the fallen angels' descent and their mating with human women, which resulted in the creation of the Nephilim (giants). He also taught humans forbidden knowledge.
  • Chapter and Verse: 1 Enoch 6:3-4 (where Semyaza proposes the descent to Earth), 1 Enoch 7:1-2 (where the Watchers mate with human women).
3. Arakiel
  • Role: Arakiel is one of the Watchers who teaches humanity the signs of the stars and the movements of celestial bodies, which is seen as forbidden knowledge.
  • Corruption: Arakiel's teaching of astrology and the secrets of the stars led to the corruption of humanity by imparting knowledge that was reserved for divine beings.
  • Chapter and Verse: 1 Enoch 8:3 (teaches the "signs of the stars").
4. Rameel
  • Role: Rameel is another one of the Watchers who taught humans about the secrets of the celestial realm, which included the knowledge of the stars and other forbidden lore.
  • Corruption: Like Arakiel, Rameel's role in corrupting humanity revolves around the imparting of forbidden knowledge related to the celestial bodies and the universe.
  • Chapter and Verse: 1 Enoch 8:3 (shares the teaching of star-related knowledge with humanity).
5. Kokabiel
  • Role: Kokabiel is one of the Watchers who, like others, imparted the knowledge of the heavenly bodies and the stars.
  • Corruption: Kokabiel's teachings of astrology are seen as another corruption of humanity, as it was believed that humans should not have access to such celestial wisdom.
  • Chapter and Verse: 1 Enoch 8:3.
6. Tamiel
  • Role: Tamiel is one of the fallen angels who is said to have taught humanity about the art of sorcery, including the use of drugs, magic, and spells.
  • Corruption: Tamiel's teachings of sorcery and the occult led humans into practices that were considered dangerous and blasphemous, corrupting the natural order of things.
  • Chapter and Verse: 1 Enoch 8:3.
7. Asael
  • Role: Asael is another fallen angel who taught humanity the art of sorcery and other forbidden knowledge.
  • Corruption: Asael's teachings in the realm of dark arts, particularly sorcery, contributed to humanity's moral downfall by enticing them into magic and occult practices.
  • Chapter and Verse: 1 Enoch 8:3.
8. Baraqiel
  • Role: Baraqiel is another of the Watchers who taught humanity about the "secrets of the lightning."
  • Corruption: His teachings are believed to have involved imparting knowledge of weather and storms, which could be used for harm or manipulation.
  • Chapter and Verse: 1 Enoch 8:3.
9. Chazaqiel
  • Role: Chazaqiel is one of the Watchers who taught humanity the secrets of metallurgy and the creation of tools and weapons.
  • Corruption: His teachings about metals led to the production of weapons and tools that contributed to the violence and corruption of human society.
  • Chapter and Verse: 1 Enoch 8:1-3.
10. Shamsiel
  • Role: Shamsiel taught humanity about the knowledge of the sun and its movement.
  • Corruption: This knowledge of celestial bodies and the sun was considered secret and thus forbidden to humans.
  • Chapter and Verse: 1 Enoch 8:3.

Key Events and Consequences of Their Corruption:
  • The Nephilim (Giants): The mating of the Watchers with human women produced the Nephilim, giants who are described as corrupting the earth through their violence and sin (1 Enoch 7:1-6).
  • The Binding of the Fallen Angels: As a result of their disobedience, the Watchers are eventually judged and bound by God to await their final punishment (1 Enoch 10:4-9).
  • The Teachings and Their Impact on Humanity: The fallen angels' teachings of sorcery, astrology, and warfare, as well as the corruption through the Nephilim, are seen as the causes of immense moral decay on Earth. Their influence is one of the primary reasons for the flood in 1 Enoch, as God decides to cleanse the earth of this corruption (1 Enoch 10:1-2).



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Pre-Flood civilization and tech were much higher than we think.
The Antikythera mechanism was reliably dated to 204 BC.

The fact that it was found in a shipwreck, for all we know it was a common industrial tool, the modern equivalent of a commodore 64. Who knows what advanced technology existed 12,000 years prior.

Where's the evidence of ancient advanced technology? Probably buried, scavenged, destroyed or melted down for scrap during the rise and fall of later civilizations in the same basis that the Taliban destroyed statues of Buddha carved into mountains of Afghanistan.

Any technology from the past would have been a threat to the dogma of current civilization and was sought out and destroyed over time.
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The simple fact that a group of men, earthly men that thought very highly of themselves, decided what should and shouldn't be in the Bible is troublesome to say the least. Yet here we are, Christianity based on the the writings of what some guys decided were worthy of being in the Bible. I would bet my last dollar that writings were left out of the Bible because those making the decisions thought the people couldn't handle it or weren't ready for it even if it was truth.

We have no idea about whether Christianity today is anything close to what it was supposed to be. Far to many men have their fingerprints on Christianity. Far more human fingerprints than devine.
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Spotted Ag said:

The simple fact that a group of men, earthly men that thought very highly of themselves, decided what should and shouldn't be in the Bible is troublesome to say the least. Yet here we are, Christianity based on the the writings of what some guys decided were worthy of being in the Bible. I would bet my last dollar that writings were left out of the Bible because those making the decisions thought the people couldn't handle it or weren't ready for it even if it was truth.

We have no idea about whether Christianity today is anything close to what it was supposed to be. Far to many men have their fingerprints on Christianity. Far more human fingerprints than devine.
Problem is that like saying many now decided what to be left out. (You can see that happening yes, but then there is all those around like now talking about *that* action itself and it is equally a story. You don't have much of that till a bit later)

The decisions about the Biblical content were not made *post* collapse of Roman civilization. Its all still standing then. There was no bunch of `dark age people who couldn't handle the truth' --- anything being written about was long known. It is US that have lost stuff from the past, not the people in period of the canonization of the Bible. That lay in their future.
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I could rant on about this from a dozen different angles and argue with myself about it.

But at the end of the day, we can all agree...... Lizard People
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BigRobSA said:

Farmer1906 said:

Daddy said:

Genesis chapter 6
The book of Enoch

The history pre flood nobody has any recorded knowledge but we know based on the scripture there was and there was some monumental knowledge.

Many people now believe the Sphinx has water erosion it was probably created much longer before the original thought
Enoch is not scripture. It was written much later than the life of Enoch.


Enoch III?
No. Enoch II: Hydraulic Boogaloo
TheHulkster
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For sure. Like I would expect something like Vlad Putin's nuclear bunker in the Urals, bored through like 3000 feet of a solid granite mountain, would last longer than the faces of Rushmore.

The whole thing is fascinating to me. That being said, my BS alarm is ringing hard on these pyramid claims. But I'm here for it. Curiosity definitely piqued.
No Spin Ag
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titan said:

SidetrackAg said:

Nanomachines son said:



I have always thought something was weird about things like this. Pre-Flood civilization and tech were much higher than we think.
How did they all draw the same thing?
There are some lesser possibilities, but the two up front and most (normally) logical ones are provocative.

A) They either had considerable global contact/exchange

B) They all saw the same thing and "drew" it as best they could.

Neither version fits conventional anthropological or historical timelines with all that means.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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Nanomachines son said:



I have always thought something was weird about things like this. Pre-Flood civilization and tech were much higher than we think.
I am fascinated and borderline disturbed by some of this stuff, but unless alien, it just doesn't seem possible that civilizations millennia ago had tech superior to ours. You'd think we'd find something aside from primitive drawings and sculptures.

It's easier for me to believe these were crazy pagan/religious tyrants who used monumental slave labor and somewhat advanced mathematics and precision over centuries to create monuments pleasing tot heir "gods".

It's hard for us to comprehend projects or structures taking hundreds of years to complete, but maybe they thought about things differently and were driven in ways we are not?
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Spotted Ag said:

The simple fact that a group of men, earthly men that thought very highly of themselves, decided what should and shouldn't be in the Bible is troublesome to say the least. Yet here we are, Christianity based on the the writings of what some guys decided were worthy of being in the Bible. I would bet my last dollar that writings were left out of the Bible because those making the decisions thought the people couldn't handle it or weren't ready for it even if it was truth.

We have no idea about whether Christianity today is anything close to what it was supposed to be. Far to many men have their fingerprints on Christianity. Far more human fingerprints than devine.
Valid points, but the prophecy of Jesus, and then the teachings of Jesus and the apostles, are very consistent in that it is ALL focused on God's heavenly kingdom and salvation. Zero concern for earthly fulfillment or gain...all about battling our flawed human instincts and desires to become more holy people suitable for the heavenly kingdom. "Blessed are those who persecute you because of me" and pretty much all of the beatitudes and every parable from Jesus set Christianity apart distinctly from every other religion.

At a minimum, there are flaws or shortcomings in translation here and there, but not enough to take away from the overall message imo.

If man was to completely fabricate a fake religion, I don't think they would have gone about it this way.
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Adam was created perfect and until sin there was no degradation. Death and desease have degraded physical bodies since then including the brain. Pre flood early man had more intellect than we all realize. Our brains are 6000 years degraded from Adam and look what we are capable of....well some people.
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schmellba99
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AJ02 said:

Ask someone installing an in ground pool in the Hill Country how easy it is to dig through limestone.

But sure....ancient Egyptians figured it out without TNT.
Well, technically they did figure it out without TNT. The Valley of the Kings and Valley of the Queens bear that out.

The Hittites, whomever was in Turkey before the Turks and several other ancient cultures figured it out as well in that area of the world. In fact, limestone isn't all that hard to dig through when compared to other types of rock materials like granit, gneiss, shale, etc.
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titan said:

SidetrackAg said:

Nanomachines son said:



I have always thought something was weird about things like this. Pre-Flood civilization and tech were much higher than we think.
How did they all draw the same thing?
There are some lesser possibilities, but the two up front and most (normally) logical ones are provocative.

A) They either had considerable global contact/exchange

B) They all saw the same thing and "drew" it as best they could.

Neither version fits conventional anthropological or historical timelines with all that means.
While things like Atlantis and Bigfoot appeal to the emotions, until there is verifiable hard evidence that would lend one to think they were real - they will remain squarely in the "myth" category. Don't get me wrong, I'd be ecstatic if we found out that there really was an Atlantean people and culture that was some repository of knowledge we don't have today, the odds are slim at best.

What doesn't have slim odds is the fact that the human race has been on the earth longer than we think, and that between the various hominid species that have existed over the millenia there have been almost no corners of the earth that have not been reached by humans, Denisovans, Neanderthals and others that we have not yet identified (there is a known 3rd species that has left DNA in pacific islander peoples that is yet to be fully identified and understood) and that these various cultures have all at some point interacted with one another.

That is why you see the same type of carvings across the globe on temples and in caves, why the same basic style of architecture developed on opposite sides of the world, etc. Not to mention that - especially with architecture - shapes like pyramids are relatively naturally occurring shapes that early humans learned to mimic because they knew if something stood in nature, it too would stand if they built it. It wasn't until long after we developed as a species that we began learning we could defy natural shapes and build structures that nature could not produce.

You also need to realize that the world has changed significantly just in the last 20k years, much less 300k or 500k years. About 10,000 years ago the Sahara Desert did not exist - it was a rain forest with numerous riverine systems. The Persian Gulf is only about 12k to 15k years old. 10k years ago England was not an island and there was a significant land mass where the North Sea is today called Doggerland. As the earth changed, those that inhabited these areas moved and took their customs, beliefs, etc. with them as they migrated across the planet.
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The year 2025 ... topics that were once resigned to Art Bell's wildcard line go mainstream.
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:



The year 2025 ... topics that were once resigned to Art Bell's wildcard line go mainstream.
Ha I still love listening to old episodes of that show, particularly on a long night drive. Used to fall asleep to it in college in the early 2000's. A funny listen but also soothing.
 
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